Jags listening to trade calls for Brian Thomas

[zow2]

The buzz I heard on Brian Thomas (don't know if it's true?)....is that he's pretty lazy in practice, or has poor practice habits.  Again, don't know if that's true or not?  But if a guy is balling out in games, that practice stuff is just noise.  If he's not performing in games the practice stuff matters more and irks the coaches and GM.

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

This is what they have to say once word is leaked. At least until he's on a new team. I would trade them a 1st, anyone of pur Wrs, except Shakir and a day 3 pick.

 

I'd be surprised if they got a 1st let alone a 1st plus a bunch of extras...Jags clearly don't think he is a good fit for their scheme and he has been not great. You don't pay for what they did, you pay for what they are doing now.

[Augie]

8 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

16% drop rate...

49% catch rate...

 

Is that just this year? What about last year? What is going on with this guy? It’s too soon to be angry about money. What’s up with him? 

[Urban Achievers]

Samuel , a first or 2 seconds, and add a late rounder for good measure.  Handshake.  Then Beane should  apologize to WGR for being a royal D. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Is that just this year? What about last year? What is going on with this guy? It’s too soon to be angry about money. What’s up with him? 

Last year:

5%

55.6%
 

Edited 15 hours ago by TheyCallMeAndy

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I'd be surprised if they got a 1st let alone a 1st plus a bunch of extras...Jags clearly don't think he is a good fit for their scheme and he has been not great. You don't pay for what they did, you pay for what they are doing now.

I understand what you’re getting at but there are other factors other than a players current performance 
 

You pay what the seller wants in return.  If they think the price is 2 1sts, that’s the price.  You certainly don’t have to pay it.  A GM can choose what each particular player is worth to their team… it doesn’t really have to be based on how they are playing at the moment. Play can change (for better or for worse) in new surroundings. 
 

when we traded for cooper last season, he was playing the worst ball of his career and really shouldn’t have been worth a 3rd.  But he was for us. 
 

 

 

[Allen2Moulds]

15 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I'd be surprised if they got a 1st let alone a 1st plus a bunch of extras...Jags clearly don't think he is a good fit for their scheme and he has been not great. You don't pay for what they did, you pay for what they are doing now.

Nothing is free of risk.  

 

Cons - Currently has the dropsies, underperforming, alligator arming passes.  Appears to be a disconnect between him and new regime.  

 

Pros - young, cheap, elite talent that translated to the next level.  Elite speed/size/hands combo, that could make the Bills offense potentially scary, or near unstoppable. 

 

 

There have been tons of WRs, including some with yellow jackets, that hated going across the middle, and weren't good at it.  For this reason, many of them weren't asked to, at least not on a regular basis. 

 

How often did we see Randy Moss going across the middle?

 

I currently think they are severely miss using this guy, and bringing out the worst in him.  Value will be somewhere between how he's currently performing, and what he has shown in the past.  From there you try and figure out the why, and that leads you more to one side or the other. 

 

These tall slender guys are not built to run them through traffic.  What makes them special on the outside, is what hurts them going across the middle.  That's why I believe that Jamar Chase is better than Justin Jefferson.  The guy has elite speed, but is also built like a truck, and bounces off of guys in the middle of the field.  

 

 

 

 

[starrymessenger]

1 hour ago, Allen2Moulds said:

Nothing is free of risk.  

 

Cons - Currently has the dropsies, underperforming, alligator arming passes.  Appears to be a disconnect between him and new regime.  

 

Pros - young, cheap, elite talent that translated to the next level.  Elite speed/size/hands combo, that could make the Bills offense potentially scary, or near unstoppable. 

 

 

There have been tons of WRs, including some with yellow jackets, that hated going across the middle, and weren't good at it.  For this reason, many of them weren't asked to, at least not on a regular basis. 

 

How often did we see Randy Moss going across the middle?

 

I currently think they are severely miss using this guy, and bringing out the worst in him.  Value will be somewhere between how he's currently performing, and what he has shown in the past.  From there you try and figure out the why, and that leads you more to one side or the other. 

 

These tall slender guys are not built to run them through traffic.  What makes them special on the outside, is what hurts them going across the middle.  That's why I believe that Jamar Chase is better than Justin Jefferson.  The guy has elite speed, but is also built like a truck, and bounces off of guys in the middle of the field.  

 

 

 

 

I think it's probably fair to say that Chase is a more versatile receiver than Jefferson. His usage from the slot has consistently increased year over year whereas Jefferson's has decreased, standing now at only about 15%. It should be noted though that he isn't quite Randy Moss either imo. About 50% of his targets are between the numbers at intermediate depth and he is said to be a pretty fearless guy. 
I think BTJ should maybe be used like Jefferson, as a boundary receiver with very limited slot presence - we've already got a very good slot receiver. And I suspect that BTJ would be fine being targeted in the middle of the field at intermediate depth and beyond. He was able to do that last year. Just don't expect him to be J. Chase or Beckham Jr. He is not that guy.
I would roll the dice and offer a first out of sheer desperation.

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

I understand what you’re getting at but there are other factors other than a players current performance 
 

You pay what the seller wants in return.  If they think the price is 2 1sts, that’s the price.  You certainly don’t have to pay it.  A GM can choose what each particular player is worth to their team… it doesn’t really have to be based on how they are playing at the moment. Play can change (for better or for worse) in new surroundings. 
 

when we traded for cooper last season, he was playing the worst ball of his career and really shouldn’t have been worth a 3rd.  But he was for us. 
 

 

 

 

No, the seller can ask for 10 1sts if they want. That doesn't mean they are going to get it. Like anything else, his value is what another team is willing to pay for him.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

No, the seller can ask for 10 1sts if they want. That doesn't mean they are going to get it. Like anything else, his value is what another team is willing to pay for him.

Yes, I implied that.  This is a round robin debate.  What a team is willing to pay isn’t the price if the selling team isn’t selling for that price

[Big Turk]

42 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yes, I implied that.  This is a round robin debate.  What a team is willing to pay isn’t the price if the selling team isn’t selling for that price

 

Yes, but usually the team ends up realizing what they are asking for isn't going to happen so they accept the best offer they can get as long as they seem it good enough.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Yeah I’m going to say it again: I think they could trade for Randy Moss and I’m not sure how much it’d move the needle. 
 

Im all for bringing in better players but as far as I’m concerned the lack of talent is one of the factors in their passing struggles but just adding more raw talent to the room wouldn’t fix it. 

[RiotAct]

5 hours ago, Urban Achievers said:

Samuel , a first or 2 seconds, and add a late rounder for good measure.  Handshake.  Then Beane should  apologize to WGR for being a royal D. 

who the hell is going to want Curtis Samuel?  Unless we’re retaining his salary?  Even then…

[NeverOutNick]

On 10/25/2025 at 10:30 AM, DJB said:

 

[RunTheBall]

I wouldn’t give more than a 2nd for BJT. I think a 3rd for Shaheed would be better

[NewEra]

38 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Yes, but usually the team ends up realizing what they are asking for isn't going to happen so they accept the best offer they can get as long as they seem it good enough.

 don’t think that’s the case with regards to the jags and BTj, but we shall see

28 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

I wouldn’t give more than a 2nd for BJT. I think a 3rd for Shaheed would be better

Thomas is under a rookie contract for 3.5 years.  Considering our cap sitch, give me Thomas all day.  Shaheed would likely be a one year rental imo

[NeverOutNick]

46 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

I wouldn’t give more than a 2nd for BJT. I think a 3rd for Shaheed would be better

A 3rd rounder for a rental again over getting a player with 4 cost controlled years left on his rookie deal 🤔…shaheed is talented and I love the speed but why not go for the dude with the most upside, a huge freak of an athlete type who showed last year a glimpse of that potential. BTJ is worth the risk for even a first next year. There won’t be a WR like him falling to use in the late 20s (hopefully 32) in this draft class

[TFBillsfan]

4 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

A 3rd rounder for a rental again over getting a player with 4 cost controlled years left on his rookie deal 🤔…shaheed is talented and I love the speed but why not go for the dude with the most upside, a huge freak of an athlete type who showed last year a glimpse of that potential. BTJ is worth the risk for even a first next year. There won’t be a WR like him falling to use in the late 20s (hopefully 32) in this draft class

Agree! And lord knows, Beane’s evaluation of WR’s in the draft is highly questionable!

 

I know it’s old news but swap Worthy for Coleman, keep Mack along with Shakir and Palmer and our WR room looks dramatically different. 

[Brand J]

2 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Yeah I’m going to say it again: I think they could trade for Randy Moss and I’m not sure how much it’d move the needle. 
 

Im all for bringing in better players but as far as I’m concerned the lack of talent is one of the factors in their passing struggles but just adding more raw talent to the room wouldn’t fix it. 

That’s 100% where I’m at with it. The problems run deeper than elite receiver talent.

[Richard Noggin]

8 hours ago, Allen2Moulds said:

 

There have been tons of WRs, including some with yellow jackets, that hated going across the middle, and weren't good at it.  For this reason, many of them weren't asked to, at least not on a regular basis. 

 

How often did we see Randy Moss going across the middle?

 

These tall slender guys are not built to run them through traffic.  What makes them special on the outside, is what hurts them going across the middle.  That's why I believe that Jamar Chase is better than Justin Jefferson.  The guy has elite speed, but is also built like a truck, and bounces off of guys in the middle of the field.  

 

 

 

Bolded part is super ironic, considering the slot-only designation many draft pundits wrestled with for Jefferson. But he definitely does run routes to all parts of the field tbh.