Jags listening to trade calls for Brian Thomas

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Do you think they are giving him up because they don't think he is good?

 

I'm not in the jaguars locker room but if it's mental issues that's just as bad.. we already dealt with guys like Cyrus konjo running naked through the fields and Zay Jones fighting for Jesus because they had mental breakdowns

 

Who knows what is going on

Edited 17 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Chaos]

Given the complexity of the Bill's offensive scheme is hard to imagine him being ready to play for the Bills before next season.    

[Buffalo03]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

 

I'm not in the jaguars locker room but if it's mental issues that's just as bad.. we already dealt with guys like Cyrus konjo running naked through the fields and Zay Jones fighting for Jesus because they had mental breakdowns

I don't care. I'm tired of "character issues" or "mental issues". The dude is too talented. If we had been hitting on first round picks to this point, I would agree with you 100% but Beane's track record and drafting what could very well be another mediocre at best player next year with another first round pick is just dumb if you can get a guy like BTJ in here. We could draft a guy in the first round that turns out to be a head case. But which one do you think Beane would catch flack for? I would say the unproven hesd case which still may not be very good as opposed to a guy like BTJ just maybe needs a change of scenery 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

I don't care. I'm tired of "character issues" or "mental issues". The dude is too talented. If we had been hitting on first round picks to this point, I would agree with you 100% but Beane's track record and drafting what could very well be another mediocre at best player next year with another first round pick is just dumb if you can get a guy like BTJ in here. We could draft a guy in the first round that turns out to be a head case. But which one do you think Beane would catch flack for? I would say the unproven hesd case which still may not be very good as opposed to a guy like BTJ just maybe needs a change of scenery 

What happens if we trade that first round pick and he becomes worse of a flame out than Sammy Watkins 

 

Sammy Watkins has way more talent as a wide receiver and he floundered everything.. 

 

Why would this team be giving up a future All pro 23 games into his career? That's the biggest question.. he was this bonafide number one the jaguars wouldn't be running him out of town even with Travis Hunter because he's on a cheap rookie contract

Edited 17 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Buffalo03]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

What happens if we trade that first round pick and he becomes worse of a flame out than Sammy Watkins 

 

Sammy Watkins has way more talent as a wide receiver and he floundered everything.. 

 

Why would this team be giving up a future All pro 23 games into his career

Again, I don't care. How would that flame out be any different than what Beane has drafted in the first round most years?

[Allen2Moulds]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Considering as I said Michael Clayton had a better career in LSU... Had a higher pedigree and was drafted earlier.. basically went for 1200 yards and seven touchdowns as a rookie and never did anything again 

 

There's nothing that says Brian Thomas Jr is going to replicate what he did last year if the team that drafted him is giving up after a season and a quarter 

 

Maxwell hairston is going to be a stud.. Dalton Kincaid is very good... 

 

I'm not even the biggest beane Homer here but nothing says this guy is going to be a thousand yard receiver consistently because they wouldn't be putting him up 

 

He's too young and coming off too good a year something is seriously up

I respect your opinion of a 2nd round value. That would provably be the bottom end of this trade value, with the top end as a 1+. Depends on your appetite for risk.

[Nihilarian]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

What happens if we trade that first round pick and he becomes worse of a flame out than Sammy Watkins 

 

Sammy Watkins has way more talent as a wide receiver and he floundered everything.. 

 

Why would this team be giving up a future All pro 23 games into his career? That's the biggest question.. he was this bonafide number one the jaguars wouldn't be running him out of town even with Travis Hunter because he's on a cheap rookie contract

The thing about Sammy Watkins is that he made most of his yards in college out of screen plays. Buffalo didn't...

 

I like @Kirby Jacksons idea of a trade with Arizona for Baker and JR

[That's No Moon]

10 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Given the complexity of the Bill's offensive scheme is hard to imagine him being ready to play for the Bills before next season.    

Players born today wont be ready for McDermotts defense in 2060.

[BillsFan2313]

30 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Wouldn't be shipping them off if he was on that rung lol

 

Their Not a one an five team... They are right in the mix 

 

They're not trading away somebody they believe is good enough to help them win because they would keep him.. giving up in year two is absolutely the biggest red flag

 

He's literally on a cheap rookie deal for the next multiple years why would they want to give that up unless they think they're never going to get what they got out of him last year

 

And again the arrow is not always up in the NFL ... Just running to the jags and offering them a first round pick is probably exactly what they want which is to pull a fast one

 

Or, it was a previous regime that drafted him. The new regime traded a lot to get Travis Hunter and now maybe want to get some picks back....

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Considering as I said Michael Clayton had a better career in LSU... Had a higher pedigree and was drafted earlier.. basically went for 1200 yards and seven touchdowns as a rookie and never did anything again 

 

There's nothing that says Brian Thomas Jr is going to replicate what he did last year if the team that drafted him is giving up after a season and a quarter 

 

Maxwell hairston is going to be a stud.. Dalton Kincaid is very good... 

 

I'm not even the biggest beane Homer here but nothing says this guy is going to be a thousand yard receiver consistently because they wouldn't be putting him up 

 

He's too young and coming off too good a year something is seriously up

It’s a risk, sure.  So is every draft pick.  I agree that something is up….but something could have to do with his current team, coaching, QB, passing coordinator having a negative affect on his psyche/performance.  Something as much as a change of scenery could be just what he needs.  Maybe not… based on what I’ve seen from him playing vs nfl talent to date, I’d roll the dice.  If he’s busts, oh well.  Many of our picks bust. He was being thrown into the borderline elite category by many just months ago.  Considering our need for everything he possessed last season, it’s a calculated risk imo

[Allen2Moulds]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

What happens if we trade that first round pick and he becomes worse of a flame out than Sammy Watkins 

 

Sammy Watkins has way more talent as a wide receiver and he floundered everything.. 

 

Why would this team be giving up a future All pro 23 games into his career? That's the biggest question.. he was this bonafide number one the jaguars wouldn't be running him out of town even with Travis Hunter because he's on a cheap rookie contract

I do still have to push back on the Clayton thing. Again, that's an anomaly. Even with his horrific start, he's on pace for 886yds, which I would still categorize it as a sophomore slump. Clayton never even cracked 500yds, after his rookie season . Thomas already has more than what Clayton did in his entire 2nd year. I think we are far off before we can make that comparison.

[BillsFan2313]

Just now, Allen2Moulds said:

I do still have to push back on the Clayton thing. Again, that's an anomaly. Even with his horrific start, he's on pace for 886yds, which I would still categorize it as a sophomore slump. Clayton never even cracked 500yds, after his rookie season . Thomas already has more than what Clayton did in his entire 2nd year. I think we are far off before we can make that comparison.

 

Clayton also dealt with a ton of injuries after his rookie year. The comparison is meh

[BeastMaster]

Beane will never do a deal like this after the Diggs trade and the little tirade he had when he was questioned about the WR room that off season

 

He would have to own up to his failure to get Josh a premier wideout that he should absolutely have 

 

[Buffalo716]

16 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I do still have to push back on the Clayton thing. Again, that's an anomaly. Even with his horrific start, he's on pace for 886yds, which I would still categorize it as a sophomore slump. Clayton never even cracked 500yds, after his rookie season . Thomas already has more than what Clayton did in his entire 2nd year. I think we are far off before we can make that comparison.

Considering Clayton only had 55 targets.. and Brian Thomas Jr has 55 targets and less yards than what Clayton had on 55 targets... But if it's 7 yd it shows Target for Target they're right there

 

Brian Thomas Jr is getting more chances in year two.. listen he was phenomenal last year nobody would want to give up a 22 year old wide receiver playing like that.. in my mind there just has to be something up

Edited 16 hours ago by Buffalo716

[NoSaint]

24 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I'm not in the jaguars locker room but if it's mental issues that's just as bad.. we already dealt with guys like Cyrus konjo running naked through the fields and Zay Jones fighting for Jesus because they had mental breakdowns

 

Who knows what is going on

if it’s that the kid hates tlaw, and isn’t a product of the new regime…. It could be much simpler and about trying to set culture

it’s a rookie head coach. He had his best games with the backup qb

 

”I don’t respect these guys and I’m not letting that loser get me killed- trade me” could be the behind closed doors sentiment that a guy new to leadership may be interested in stepping away from

Edited 16 hours ago by NoSaint

[Big Turk]

9 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

Or, it was a previous regime that drafted him. The new regime traded a lot to get Travis Hunter and now maybe want to get some picks back....

 

"I want our picks back...all of them! And I want David Goddamn Putney just because I feel like it!"

 

Maybe Beane should call up the new Jags GM and say "So, are you looking to make a deal, you pancake eatin' mofo??" 😂😂😂

Edited 16 hours ago by Big Turk

[EmotionallyUnstable]

33 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

For a second , or something I would feel a lot lot more comfortable 

 

I'm not giving them a first round pick for somebody that they're actually technically giving up on

What is it about the 1st that you are hesitant to part with? The last few years:

 

Hairston

Kincaid

Elam

Groot

Oliver

Edumnds

Diggs*
multiple trade backs for Coleman*
 

Two of these players have been extended as keystone pieces of the team, 1 traded away, 1 allowed to walk, and 3 who it’s unfair to judge at this point…and one absolute home run coming via trade.

 

I am not saying that BTJ would be Diggs, but if your argument is getting a cost controlled player, he has 3.5 years left w/ 5th year option that are already negotiated. 
 

I think we value our future selections in drafts way more than they’re worth. 

[Chicken Boo]

11 hours ago, dpberr said:

I legitimately think he bails out on plays so he doesn't take a hit. 

 

I really can't fault him for that.  This is a business after all.  

 

What favors would he be doing himself or his team if he's getting hung out to dry?

 

Dillon Gabriel got 3 of receivers washed - 2 out with concussions a week or 2 ago.  

[Virgil]

20 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

The thing about Sammy Watkins is that he made most of his yards in college out of screen plays. Buffalo didn't...

 

I like @Kirby Jacksons idea of a trade with Arizona for Baker and JR

Do all of it

[EmotionallyUnstable]

9 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

Beane will never do a deal like this after the Diggs trade and the little tirade he had when he was questioned about the WR room that off season

 

He would have to own up to his failure to get Josh a premier wideout that he should absolutely have 

 

And yet this is what good leaders do. I am not excusing his tirade on the morning show BUT: 

 

A good leader supports their staff, sells the future and delivers confidence in their players. 
 

At the same time they admit failure and reflect honestly when they’re wrong.

 

If Beane came out and said “we were counting on our guys to develop into XYZ and we haven’t been able to get there, so we’re looking to find ways to bring the room up to our standard” I’d respect that. 
 

People would want to play gotchya because it’s easy and as fans we don’t have to answer to anyone when we’re wrong…we just like calling it out publicly when others are. 
 

If tmrw they traded for BTJ and won the Super Bowl would ppl be calling for a stock and quarter of Beane because he looked silly? Nahhh man it’s business. You take chances, you redeem the rewards if good movements and you know when to take your losses.