Will McD ever have a coaching tree?

[Mikie2times]

Some of the better leaders I have worked with have told me, you being an expert or great is not a sign that you’re doing your job well. How we perform when you aren’t there and how well you duplicate yourself with employees is. I think this logic clearly extends to coaches. To me it’s easier to validate who the very best are based on the number of future leaders and coaches they have been able to develop. 
 

Plenty of critical McD threads out there. I was hoping to focus this conversation on if anybody thinks McD will develop a coaching tree or has the capability of doing so, and if yes or no, how much does that matter in evaluating his success? 
 

Hypothetically, who would that tree consist of? I don’t consider Dabs, Frazier, or Brady as part of that tree. Does anybody here feel that is the case or could be in time? Maybe some influence? From my view this relevant as far as a different angle to evaluate his performance vs the standard stuff we hear on the board. 

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[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said:

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I sort of feel that way, but I would really like to hear from some of his supporters. I have said before, I still think talent is a bigger barrier to success right now than coaching. But if the notion that one of all time winningest HC’s will never develop a future HC is laughable, how damning is that? It feels pretty damning from leadership perspective. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

4 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Some of the better leaders I have worked with have told me, you being an expert or great is not a sign that you’re doing your job well. How we perform when you aren’t there and how well you duplicate yourself with employees is. I think this logic clearly extends to coaches. To me it’s easier to validate who the very best are based on the number of future leaders and coaches they have been able to develop. 
 

Plenty of critical McD threads out there. I was hoping to focus this conversation on if anybody thinks McD will develop a coaching tree or has the capability of doing so, and if yes or no, how much does that matter in evaluating his success? 
 

Hypothetically, who would that tree consist of? I don’t consider Dabs, Frazier, or Brady as part of that tree. Does anybody here feel that is the case or could be in time? Maybe some influence? From my view this relevant as far as a different angle to evaluate his performance vs the standard stuff we hear on the board. 

curious why you wouldn’t consider Dabs or Brady as part of his tree? 

[Lost]

People who have coaching trees are innovators of the game.   McD is a good leader but he hasn't changed the game in any meaningful way that others will follow.  

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[SydneyBillsFan]

Maybe a coaching indoor pot plant that hasn't been watered for a week.

[RiotAct]

lulz

[NewEra]

17 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

curious why you wouldn’t consider Dabs or Brady as part of his tree? 

Brady hasn’t been a HC.  Daboll is the only branch 

[Coach Tuesday]

[Maynard]

21 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

curious why you wouldn’t consider Dabs or Brady as part of his tree? 

I’d say McD doesn’t know O from his own fart. Not sure that counts. Plus Dabs might get fired and Brady looking like a used prophylactic wrapper at the moment. 

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[Bills!Win!]

Coaching trees would be 

 

Holmgren 

Reid

Belichick

 

who else?

Edited 4 hours ago by Bills!Win!

[wppete]

There is no way. He is not a great coach. Just got lucky to have hit a homerun in getting a unicorn 🦄 for a QB and a very bad division after Brady left. Dont see him being a head coach much longer in Buffalo. 
 

20 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Brady hasn’t been a HC.  Daboll is the only branch 

I think Daboll falls under the Belichick tree. 
 

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[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, wppete said:

There is no way. He is not a great coach. Just got lucky to have hit a homerun in getting a unicorn 🦄 for a QB and a very bad division after Brady left. Dont see him being a head coach much longer in Buffalo. 
 

I think Daboll falls under the Belichick tree. 
 

 

You mean the teams he has sucked as the OC with?

[ALLinALLEN]

If he did it would look like this

[hondo in seattle]

51 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Some of the better leaders I have worked with have told me, you being an expert or great is not a sign that you’re doing your job well. How we perform when you aren’t there and how well you duplicate yourself with employees is. I think this logic clearly extends to coaches. To me it’s easier to validate who the very best are based on the number of future leaders and coaches they have been able to develop. 
 

Plenty of critical McD threads out there. I was hoping to focus this conversation on if anybody thinks McD will develop a coaching tree or has the capability of doing so, and if yes or no, how much does that matter in evaluating his success? 
 

Hypothetically, who would that tree consist of? I don’t consider Dabs, Frazier, or Brady as part of that tree. Does anybody here feel that is the case or could be in time? Maybe some influence? From my view this relevant as far as a different angle to evaluate his performance vs the standard stuff we hear on the board. 

 

With his winning record, if McD gets fired by Pegula, someone else will hire him as a HC.  He'll be a HC coach long enough in this league to see some of his subordinates become head coaches.  In that sense, he'll have a tree.  

But I think the idea of a "tree" means a bit more than that.  To me a coaching tree means a coach who mentored and influenced his subordinates who later on exhibited that influence when they were head coaches.  Bill Walsh comes to mind.  

 

I think the coaches under McD might be influenced by his "process" and culture.  But his tree will lack any distinctive, original X and O tactical stuff.  To me, that's not a true tree.  McD is just another branch in the Reid tree.  

[T&C]

McDaniels? Never going to happen...

[ngbills]

Brady to Penn St. McDaniels to Buffalo. Super Bowl win. 

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, Bills!Win! said:

Coaching trees would be 

 

Holmgren 

Reid

Belichick

 

who else?

You forgot the granddaddy of them all…Walsh. 

[UConn James]

1 hour ago, Bills!Win! said:

Coaching trees would be 

 

Holmgren 

Reid

Belichick

 

who else?

One could argue for McVay, and tho it is early, it has had some measure of success.