Plausible X/#1 receiver trade candidates — are there any?

[Sierra Foothills]

It took me 32 pages but I think I got this down... so you guys are saying:

• There's no point in drafting a WR in the 1st round because Beane whiffs on 1st rounders>
• There's no point in trading for a WR because Joe Brady wouldn't know how to integrate him>
• Because of the WGR thing Beane would have to swallow his pride/admit he's wrong>
• Beane won't trade for a WR because he won't swallow his pride/admit he's wrong>
• Beane will trade for a WR because he will swallow his pride/admit he's wrong>
• The Bills should have traded for DK Metcalf>
• The Bills should have traded for George Pickens>
• The Bills should have drafted Ladd McConkey>
• The Bills should have drafted Xavier Worthy>
• The Bills should trade for Chris Olave>
• The Saints loss makes Olave more attainable>
• The Saints are saying that Olave isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• The Bills should trade for Garrett Wilson>
• The Jets loss makes Wilson more attainable>
• The Jets are saying that Wilson isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• The Bills should trade for Jaylen Waddle>
• The Dolphins loss makes Waddle more attainable>
• The Dolphins are saying that Waddle isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• The Bills should trade for AJ Brown>
• The Eagles dissension makes Brown more attainable>
• The Eagles are saying that Brown isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• We can't fit Olave/Wilson/Waddle/Brown under our cap>
• We can fit anyone under any cap, it's simply a matter of creative bookkeeping>
• Olave's a concussion risk... pass>
• ^^^^^ Mitch Morse/Christian Benford blah blah blah>
• If the Bills trade for anyone it'll be Jacobi Meyers... he's the only feasible trade target>
• If the Bills trade for anyone it'll be Rasheed Shahid... he's the only feasible trade target>
• If the Bills trade for anyone it'll be DJ Moore... he's the only feasible trade target>
• Amari Cooper didn't put up big numbers but he upgraded the offense>
• ^^^^^ The Bills don't need to upgrade the offense... they need to upgrade the defense>

Wash.

Rinse.

Repeat.

 

Am I doing this right?

 

15 hours ago, LEBills said:

Coleman? I thought you said make them an offer they can’t refuse 🙃

 

12 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

TO's is still working out

 

Good job, men.

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Sierra Foothills

[FireChans]

12 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

It took me 32 pages but I think I got this down... so you guys are saying:

• There's no point in drafting a WR in the 1st round because Beane whiffs on 1st rounders>
• There's no point in trading for a WR because Joe Brady wouldn't know how to integrate him>
• Because of the WGR thing Beane would have to swallow his pride/admit he's wrong>
• Beane won't trade for a WR because he won't swallow his pride/admit he's wrong>
• Beane will trade for a WR because he will swallow his pride/admit he's wrong>
• The Bills should have traded for DK Metcalf>
• The Bills should have traded for George Pickens>
• The Bills should have drafted Ladd McConkey>
• The Bills should have drafted Xavier Worthy>
• The Bills should trade for Chris Olave>
• The Saints loss makes Olave more attainable>
• The Saints are saying that Olave isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• The Bills should trade for Garrett Wilson>
• The Jets loss makes Wilson more attainable>
• The Jets are saying that Wilson isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• The Bills should trade for Jaylen Waddle>
• The Dolphins loss makes Waddle more attainable>
• The Dolphins are saying that Waddle isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• The Bills should trade for AJ Brown>
• The Eagles dissension makes Brown more attainable>
• The Eagles are saying that Brown isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• We can't fit Olave/Wilson/Waddle/Brown under our cap>
• We can fit anyone under any cap, it's simply a matter of creative bookkeeping>
• Olave's a concussion risk... pass>
• ^^^^^ Mitch Morse/Christian Benford blah blah blah>
• If the Bills trade for anyone it'll be Jacobi Meyers... he's the only feasible trade target>
• If the Bills trade for anyone it'll be Rasheed Shahid... he's the only feasible trade target>
• If the Bills trade for anyone it'll be DJ Moore... he's the only feasible trade target>
• Amari Cooper didn't put up big numbers but he upgraded the offense>
• ^^^^^ The Bills don't need to upgrade the offense... they need to upgrade the defense>

Wash.

Rinse.

Repeat.

 

Am I doing this right?

 

 

 

Good job, men.

 

Very funny that we all have different opinions on the why and how to fix it, but 99% of folks agree these WRs ain’t good enough.

 

That’s close enough for universal truth on here imo.

[Boatdrinks]

51 minutes ago, Psautcsk said:

It is different with the Pats on track to win the division. 

Nah, the Bills record after 6 games has been worse in recent years. Divisions aren’t won in October. By different I’m not talking about the Patriots anyway. I’m referring to the Bills. Something seems different with this team/ roster from previous years. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

Nah, the Bills record after 6 games has been worse in recent years. Divisions aren’t won in October. By different I’m not talking about the Patriots anyway. I’m referring to the Bills. Something seems different with this team/ roster from previous years. 

I disagree. This has been the pattern for quite a few years now. The difference this season is that the fans can’t blame the league for sending us to London. We’ll see how it plays out but it’s set up perfectly for a win coming out of the bye, and a home, regular season moral victory over the Chiefs. But….get ready to have your heart ripped out with yet another playoff fizzle. 

[ClemsonBills]

On 10/17/2025 at 8:50 PM, BigDingus said:

 

Better than what Beane would spend the pick on. 

 

I'd trade a 1st + more picks for any legit WR. I have no desire to waste another season & hope Beane figures it out next draft, only for us to need another couple years to see if that pick ever materializes into something good.

 

Look no further than who they've evaluated taken vs who they've passed on. We literally gave the Chiefs a weapon that helps transform the look of their entire offense, while we took a project that can't separate & scares nobody. 

 

As I've said before, the best draft picks Beane & McDermott have ever used outside of Allen were the 1st, 4th, 5th & 6th to get Diggs. Nobody else has been as impactful

 

Better to go that route again then sit around & do nothing. Even just having someone as good as Waddle could change the whole dynamic of this offense. Maybe then Coleman could even look as good as ol Gabe David used to playing opposite of Diggs.

He is one concussion away from retirement. I get your point, but Olave is such a high risk. He will also not go for a 1st round pick, no chance.

[finn]

13 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Bc there's not a lot that can be done to change that. Even if we got a CB2 and a Safety (or two) that were upgrades - the blueprint on how to beat McDermott's Zone Defense is on the desk of every Offensive Coordinator at this point. As soon as our initial coverage drops a guy for the next level man, get the ball out. Immediate completion, even if it's played perfectly - which it almost never is.

 

Also when it comes to Defense, we have guys like Hoecht and Ogunjobi coming in next week. Hairston will be having his Practice Window opened up soon. Milano and Bernard will be returning from injury. So we have reinforcements on the way already.

 

But again, it doesn't matter much when the league has diagnosed McDermott's scheme after over a decade of the same looks in the league. We're clearly in Rex Ryan territory with McDermott, wherein we have a once Defensive guru who's Defense has been figured out and they're incapable or unwilling to change. On top of that, even the league's best built Defenses don't stop the league's most high powered Offenses.

 

This is why so many of us disagreed with going all in on Defense this off-season thinking that alone would get us over the hump. You can build an amazing Defense. But if you don't have Offensive Playmakers who can separate for your QB, you're going to get outscored.

 

And just as the blueprint on how to topple McDermott's Defense is out there, so is the blueprint to stop our Offense. The first few weeks, teams respected our passing game more. This allowed Cook to run wild. Now teams know, Coleman hasn't taken a step. Palmer (who's also now down long term) isn't getting open enough. Shakir, while elite in YAC and shiftiness, also has difficulties separating beyond the line of scrimmage (which is why you see him get so many screens). And underneath them, the separation issue is even worse.

 

So now teams know - we want to beat you with Cook. So key in on him, play man on our pass catchers, and force Josh to beat us by going to guys who can't beat single coverage. If we can have one guy they fear, then that opens things up for other guys. And the Pass Game will open the Run Game back up.

 

Getting a guy at WR1 is more impactful than anything we can do on Defense. But I also don't think anyone is suggesting we shouldn't try and also get a CB or Safety as well.

The best quarterback in the league, and the only way we can beat you is with the running game. Something went very wrong along the way. 

[BillsShredder83]

On 10/18/2025 at 3:25 PM, boyst said:

Over half of the pros I know across any league let someone else manage their social media. If nothing more than a wife or sibling they don't know what's going on at all. 

I get this and agree, but the part aboutt removing all references to the Dolphins in bio is code language, and has been for yearssss, at bring disgruntled in some way.  I honestly think its one of the more subtle ways to air a grievance publicly.  I know many wont agree, but its been used after internal discussions have seized up, but also before coming out demanding a trade or to be cut or something else (wanting coaching change?)

 

Do I think Waddle is about to be traded? I dunno.  Do I think he had a hand in this?  Yes, because I think an agent or whoever is getting absolutely roasted by their client for pulling that move without a blessing

[BillsShredder83]

On 10/18/2025 at 5:32 PM, NewEra said:

I hear ya.  If the rumors are true about the saints trying to resign him, as you said, we might have to make them an offer they can’t refuse.  I really hope we don’t trade a 1st for a 1 year rental.  Maybe a 2nd and Keon for a olave and a 5th could get it done 

Me thinks this 'trying to re-sign him' bit is them attempting to improve his trade value.  Hes the one guy we've heard consistently about being available.  Get teams to reach out and show their interest, field some rough trade parameter offers, Lucy fakes pulling the ball back from Charlie Brown last second....

 

Its what I'd do, especially since hes likely the best WR that ends up available... youre basically reminding teams Olave orrrrrr Jakobi Meyers? LOL

[BillsShredder83]

On 10/18/2025 at 8:43 PM, Nihilarian said:

Okay, my last attempt at this.

 

If everyone gets healthy after the bye, what happens? The run defense does get better with the additions of Hoecht and Ogunjobi, and Milano is back. However, the secondary with Rapp, Bishop, and Tre White, I'm pretty sure they still stink. Jordan Poyer, really?

 

The offense, with everyone healthy and playing well, returns to a top-scoring offense. If the playcalling gets better, the run game works, and Allen has his top targets back. Shakir, Coleman, and Kincade, with the latter having the highest catch success rate at 66.7%.  NO Saints WR Chris Olave has a 50% catch success rate.

 

Josh Palmer can get separation, as we saw before he was injured against the Falcons, 2 targets, 2 receptions for 60 yards. We also know that Curtis Samuel can run a 4.31, Moore a 4.35, and Shakir a 4.43. More than enough speed to break away. It's all about how the Buffalo offense is schemed and set up. Right now, the Buffalo Bills are a run-first team that has a power run game, second in the NFL in rushing yards, attempts, and TDs. 

 

Bills OC Joe Brady has stolen my heart with his run scheme, but alas, his passing schemes appear somewhat flawed if he can't get the most out of his players like he does with RB James Cook. And even with Cook, he simply doesn't utilize him enough in the passing game. I can see perhaps why, with him having a 35.7 receiving success rate. pretty stinky. So, have him work with the JUGS more often. 

 

BTW, fans that say that Amari Cooper opened up the offense just by being on the field seem to ignore that it stayed open even when he was on the bench. 

 

McD should tell Joe Brady to get his crap together with the passing offense, or he will hire a passing game coordinator 

 

 

Most of this is delusional, except about Rapp & White.

 

-A ton of "ifs" --> If the playcalling gets better

 

-Josh Palmer can get separation, as we saw before he was injured against the Falcons, 2 targets, 2 receptions for 60 yards. --> Two plays outweighs what we've seen all season

 

-We also know that Curtis Samuel can run a 4.31, Moore a 4.35 - Samuel has done ZERO in 2 years. "If" he gets healthy --> incredibly delusional.  Moore isnt and has never been a deep ball guy, even at the height of his career (forever ago, and not since college has he been good)

 

- fans that say that Amari Cooper opened up the offense just by being on the field seem to ignore that it stayed open even when he was on the bench - again denying what actually happened, with what "should've happened"... Cooper changed the offense when he was out there, and when we missed him, it 100% showed

 

I do appreciate our run game, but undeniably its been harder to do since teams treat us as one dimensional.  Same thing as before when Kincaid gets back.  Dudes looked great, but teams are going to commit to shutting him down, and making us try to beat them with other WR's.  Who can take advantage of that?  So far we've shown it to be nobody

[Warriorspikes51]

not expecting anything from Beane...

[BuffaloRebound]

2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Nah, the Bills record after 6 games has been worse in recent years. Divisions aren’t won in October. By different I’m not talking about the Patriots anyway. I’m referring to the Bills. Something seems different with this team/ roster from previous years. 

Agreed.  Feels different this year.  The back 7 on defense is bottom of the League and our passing game scares no one.  McDermott has turned seasons around in the past in 2021 and 2023 when things looked bleak but this truly feels like it could be the end of the line.  

[BuffaloBillyG]

7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

not expecting anything from Beane...

I'm expecting something, but it won't be what most hope. He does enjoy being active at the deadline. 

 

My most likely scenario would be a trade for a middling weapon on offense. We give up a little too much and most here are skeptical. But then Cover 1 and Joe Marino will make a video saying they love the move and a large portion of people will jump on board and hope will be restored. 

[PayDaBill$]

3 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

It took me 32 pages but I think I got this down... so you guys are saying:

• There's no point in drafting a WR in the 1st round because Beane whiffs on 1st rounders>
• There's no point in trading for a WR because Joe Brady wouldn't know how to integrate him>
• Because of the WGR thing Beane would have to swallow his pride/admit he's wrong>
• Beane won't trade for a WR because he won't swallow his pride/admit he's wrong>
• Beane will trade for a WR because he will swallow his pride/admit he's wrong>
• The Bills should have traded for DK Metcalf>
• The Bills should have traded for George Pickens>
• The Bills should have drafted Ladd McConkey>
• The Bills should have drafted Xavier Worthy>
• The Bills should trade for Chris Olave>
• The Saints loss makes Olave more attainable>
• The Saints are saying that Olave isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• The Bills should trade for Garrett Wilson>
• The Jets loss makes Wilson more attainable>
• The Jets are saying that Wilson isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• The Bills should trade for Jaylen Waddle>
• The Dolphins loss makes Waddle more attainable>
• The Dolphins are saying that Waddle isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• The Bills should trade for AJ Brown>
• The Eagles dissension makes Brown more attainable>
• The Eagles are saying that Brown isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• We can't fit Olave/Wilson/Waddle/Brown under our cap>
• We can fit anyone under any cap, it's simply a matter of creative bookkeeping>
• Olave's a concussion risk... pass>
• ^^^^^ Mitch Morse/Christian Benford blah blah blah>
• If the Bills trade for anyone it'll be Jacobi Meyers... he's the only feasible trade target>
• If the Bills trade for anyone it'll be Rasheed Shahid... he's the only feasible trade target>
• If the Bills trade for anyone it'll be DJ Moore... he's the only feasible trade target>
• Amari Cooper didn't put up big numbers but he upgraded the offense>
• ^^^^^ The Bills don't need to upgrade the offense... they need to upgrade the defense>

Wash.

Rinse.

Repeat.

 

Am I doing this right?

 

 

 

Good job, men.

 

I guess the truth lies somewhere in that mess🤷

[BillsShredder83]

22 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

Again, Metcalf was the only real option. If you want to blame Beane for not wanting to pay him, fine — that's a valid opinion, in my view. But beyond that, he didn’t really have a choice. We had no shot at landing Egbuka or McMillan, and there was no one worth targeting in free agency either.

 

And yes, it's not just bad timing or bad luck — but those things played a huge role. Opportunities to land a true WR1 were extremely rare, and I honestly don’t understand why that’s so hard for some people to see (or admit).

 

That also applies to the so-called “generational” 2024 WR draft. We had zero chance at Marvin Harrison Jr., Nabers, or Odunze. Even BTJ was probably out of reach, despite many people around here thinking otherwise (there was no realistic trade partner). After that, the realistic options were Worthy, Legette, McConkey, Mitchell, Coleman, Pearsall, Polk, and Franklin — and we picked one.

 

Now everyone’s acting like it was obvious McConkey should’ve been the pick, but let’s not rewrite history. The consensus ranking on TBD was something like: Mitchell > Legette > Franklin/Worthy/McConkey > Coleman. And then we had a chance to double dip — which I would’ve done, just to increase the odds of hitting the jackpot — but unless I missed something, nobody from that class is exactly lighting up the NFL right now.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as far as moving up in 2024, but want to point out there were 3 trades ahead of us.  None of them appear to have been moves we could've made, but teams were and are always willing to wheel-n-deal.  We DONT know that he wasnt burning up the phones trying to make it happen, very fair.

 

The annoyance has been the lack of attempts in general. Specifically in 2024 we probably should've double dipped, in what was supposed to be incredibly deep class.  Its fair to say that class didnt turn out like people thought, but it serves as a microcosm for the mentality we have at the position.  Even then, there were guys: Jalen McMillan - late 3rd rounder, REALLY turned a corner at end of last season:

 

"McMillan, a 2024 third round pick (No. 92 overall), had 37 receptions for 461 yards and 8 touchdowns as a rookie. He put up the bulk of those stats down the stretch with 24 receptions for 316 yards over the final 5 games of the regular season — a stretch in which he led the NFL with 7 touchdowns"

 

Troy Franklin in the 4th could still develop into something.

 

2023: Jayden Reed went in the 2nd, as did Rashee Rice and Marvin Mims. Tank Dell, Josh Downs, Michael Wilson, Tre Tucker in 3rd. Puka, infamously in the 5th.  Kayshon Boutte in the 5th.

 

This isnt playing hindsight... it'd be dumb to sit her and say "PUKA!" for any one player... but the body of work, shows their are WR's drafted later to hit on.  It's hard to hit on one, which is why with Josh Allen here, you should be taking at least one in the top 4 rounds each year, with a guy on the high end of that when an opportunity presents itself.

 

You have to make it a priority and keep swinging. 

 

You can't say "Elite FA's are too expensive. Trades for them are too expensive. By the time we pick in 1st rd, its too late. Why bother taking a guy if it's not a guy in the first  15 picks"

 

I don't fault them for taking Keon, but you also can't get so married to any one guy, that you refuse to keep swinging.

[pennstate10]

3 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

It took me 32 pages but I think I got this down... so you guys are saying:

• There's no point in drafting a WR in the 1st round because Beane whiffs on 1st rounders>
• There's no point in trading for a WR because Joe Brady wouldn't know how to integrate him>
• Because of the WGR thing Beane would have to swallow his pride/admit he's wrong>
• Beane won't trade for a WR because he won't swallow his pride/admit he's wrong>
• Beane will trade for a WR because he will swallow his pride/admit he's wrong>
• The Bills should have traded for DK Metcalf>
• The Bills should have traded for George Pickens>
• The Bills should have drafted Ladd McConkey>
• The Bills should have drafted Xavier Worthy>
• The Bills should trade for Chris Olave>
• The Saints loss makes Olave more attainable>
• The Saints are saying that Olave isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• The Bills should trade for Garrett Wilson>
• The Jets loss makes Wilson more attainable>
• The Jets are saying that Wilson isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• The Bills should trade for Jaylen Waddle>
• The Dolphins loss makes Waddle more attainable>
• The Dolphins are saying that Waddle isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• The Bills should trade for AJ Brown>
• The Eagles dissension makes Brown more attainable>
• The Eagles are saying that Brown isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• We can't fit Olave/Wilson/Waddle/Brown under our cap>
• We can fit anyone under any cap, it's simply a matter of creative bookkeeping>
• Olave's a concussion risk... pass>
• ^^^^^ Mitch Morse/Christian Benford blah blah blah>
• If the Bills trade for anyone it'll be Jacobi Meyers... he's the only feasible trade target>
• If the Bills trade for anyone it'll be Rasheed Shahid... he's the only feasible trade target>
• If the Bills trade for anyone it'll be DJ Moore... he's the only feasible trade target>
• Amari Cooper didn't put up big numbers but he upgraded the offense>
• ^^^^^ The Bills don't need to upgrade the offense... they need to upgrade the defense>

Wash.

Rinse.

Repeat.

 

Am I doing this right?

 

 

 

Good job, men.

 

Over the past week, I’ve read about every 4th page on this thread. Whatever is the most current page when I open the app. 
As best I can tell, this is a really good summary.

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

It took me 32 pages but I think I got this down... so you guys are saying:

• There's no point in drafting a WR in the 1st round because Beane whiffs on 1st rounders>
• There's no point in trading for a WR because Joe Brady wouldn't know how to integrate him>
• Because of the WGR thing Beane would have to swallow his pride/admit he's wrong>
• Beane won't trade for a WR because he won't swallow his pride/admit he's wrong>
• Beane will trade for a WR because he will swallow his pride/admit he's wrong>
• The Bills should have traded for DK Metcalf>
• The Bills should have traded for George Pickens>
• The Bills should have drafted Ladd McConkey>
• The Bills should have drafted Xavier Worthy>
• The Bills should trade for Chris Olave>
• The Saints loss makes Olave more attainable>
• The Saints are saying that Olave isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• The Bills should trade for Garrett Wilson>
• The Jets loss makes Wilson more attainable>
• The Jets are saying that Wilson isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• The Bills should trade for Jaylen Waddle>
• The Dolphins loss makes Waddle more attainable>
• The Dolphins are saying that Waddle isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• The Bills should trade for AJ Brown>
• The Eagles dissension makes Brown more attainable>
• The Eagles are saying that Brown isn't available>
• It's posturing... they're saying that to drive up his price>
• We can't fit Olave/Wilson/Waddle/Brown under our cap>
• We can fit anyone under any cap, it's simply a matter of creative bookkeeping>
• Olave's a concussion risk... pass>
• ^^^^^ Mitch Morse/Christian Benford blah blah blah>
• If the Bills trade for anyone it'll be Jacobi Meyers... he's the only feasible trade target>
• If the Bills trade for anyone it'll be Rasheed Shahid... he's the only feasible trade target>
• If the Bills trade for anyone it'll be DJ Moore... he's the only feasible trade target>
• Amari Cooper didn't put up big numbers but he upgraded the offense>
• ^^^^^ The Bills don't need to upgrade the offense... they need to upgrade the defense>

Wash.

Rinse.

Repeat.

 

Am I doing this right?

 

 

 

Good job, men.

 

DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!! RUN AND STOP THE RUN (Marv Levy quote). This team has more than enough talent to win games, offensively when healthy. The return of the suspended players will help, but the back end of the defense is the problem. Tre White is a problem. Cole Bishop is a problem. If they're going for help this season, please focus on the back end of the defense. IMO

[HappyDays]

38 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Agreed.  Feels different this year.  The back 7 on defense is bottom of the League and our passing game scares no one.  McDermott has turned seasons around in the past in 2021 and 2023 when things looked bleak but this truly feels like it could be the end of the line.  

 

Yeah I just don't know where the improvement is coming from short of a WR trade. Some fans have pointed out we had the same week 5 and 6 slump last year and then turned it around, but the trade for Amari Cooper was the catalyst for that turnaround. We scored 30+ in all but one of our remaining games after that. If we don't make some kind of comparable trade this year there's no reason to think the passing offense is suddenly going to take off.

 

And then on defense Hoecht will help some but the DL really hasn't been the problem this year. With Hairston who knows when McDermott is comfortable enough with him to let him play. So the back 7 which has been the problem this year is stuck as is for the foreseeable future.

 

I haven't felt this negative about the team since before the McBeane era. Really hard right now to find reasons to be optimistic. A trade for Olave or some other #1 WR is the only move that would give me real hope. Even with that I'm not sure it would be enough to overcome all of the roster and coaching staff deficiencies but it would at least give us a fighting chance. 

[Solomon Grundy]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!! RUN AND STOP THE RUN (Marv Levy quote). This team has more than enough talent to win games, offensively when healthy. The return of the suspended players will help, but the back end of the defense is the problem. Tre White is a problem. Cole Bishop is a problem. If they're going for help this season, please focus on the back end of the defense. IMO

And yes, I'm back from suspension too😂😂

[Puckman5]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah I just don't know where the improvement is coming from short of a WR trade. Some fans have pointed out we had the same week 5 and 6 slump last year and then turned it around, but the trade for Amari Cooper was the catalyst for that turnaround. We scored 30+ in all but one of our remaining games after that. If we don't make some kind of comparable trade this year there's no reason to think the passing offense is suddenly going to take off.

 

And then on defense Hoecht will help some but the DL really hasn't been the problem this year. With Hairston who knows when McDermott is comfortable enough with him to let him play. So the back 7 which has been the problem this year is stuck as is for the foreseeable future.

 

I haven't felt this negative about the team since before the McBeane era. Really hard right now to find reasons to be optimistic. A trade for Olave or some other #1 WR is the only move that would give me real hope. Even with that I'm not sure it would be enough to overcome all of the roster and coaching staff deficiencies but it would at least give us a fighting chance. 

I guess the question is what is going g to help more, a WR threat or a DB?  To me, a true receiving threat that can open up the offense will have a greater impact than what a new DB can.  Too many holes to fill in defense and who knows how long they'd take to acclimate to the McDefense.  

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, Puckman5 said:

I guess the question is what is going g to help more, a WR threat or a DB?  To me, a true receiving threat that can open up the offense will have a greater impact than what a new DB can.  Too many holes to fill in defense and who knows how long they'd take to acclimate to the McDefense.  

 

I trust Allen to maximize a new player much much more than I trust McDermott/Babich to maximize a new player. So that's an easy one for me.