BuffaloBillyG Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 9 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Trust me he worked very hard this offseason. Did a lot of private WR coaching, had 1 on 1 sessions with Allen before camp, etc. Unfortunately he just doesn't seem to have it. I'll always bet on athletic traits combined with a strong work ethic but some players never apply the training to the field. After all that work he hasn't progressed at all, he's making the same mistakes he was making last year. With his skill set he needs to have the nuances of the position down pat, and he just doesn't look even close right now. So I'm pretty close to giving up on him at this point. He can maybe salvage his career if he switches to big slot, I'd at least be interested to see what that looks like. From comments he himself has made, it's the consistency of prepping week in and week out that eludes him. McDermott even said the maturation is something he still needs to do. To me he strikes me as the kind of guy that the game always came easy to. Always kind of like that big fish in the little pond. But now that the pond is bigger and some of the fish around him are better, he doesn't know how to respond. Before the NFL, a guy like Coleman could do well with just his athletic traits. But that isn't enough at this level. 1 Quote
muppy Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 🍿 this is a great thread for the bye week. a ton of conjectures which read reasonable and could happen. maybe? I hope one of you nails it with a orediction TBD is a great place for learning the game which is what we all love NFL football and especially our Buffalo Bills I appreciate you all a great deal GO BILLS! m 1 1 Quote
The Jokeman Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 2 hours ago, colin said: was it really 3 firsts? what did parsons get, 2 1sts and a huge contract? allen getting traded (which should never even be considered, let alone happen) would have to be the biggest trade of all time. The 49ers gave up their 2021 first-round pick (No. 12 overall), a 2022 first-round pick, a 2022 third-round pick, and a 2023 first-round pick to the Dolphins in order to get the 3rd overall pick in 2021 from the Dolphins. 1 Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 18 minutes ago, muppy said: 🍿 this is a great thread for the bye week. a ton of conjectures which read reasonable and could happen. maybe? I hope one of you nails it with a orediction TBD is a great place for learning the game which is what we all love NFL football and especially our Buffalo Bills I appreciate you all a great deal GO BILLS! m Well said Muppy!! There are so many smart people on here with so many interesting thoughts. This group is incredibly well informed. When I read other team’s message boards they don’t have near the depth or knowledge that this group has. 1 2 Quote
CincyBillsFan Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Cole Beasley said it too: That is the subtle benefit of having a legit #1 WR that nobody ever brings up. It creates a snowball effect on the rest of the offense. Everybody below the #1 on the depth chart now gets better matchups which allows their skill sets to shine. Great point and I suspect that was Coopers biggest impact on the Bills last season - teams had to respect him. 2 1 Quote
KOKBILLS Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Trust me he worked very hard this offseason. Did a lot of private WR coaching, had 1 on 1 sessions with Allen before camp, etc. Unfortunately he just doesn't seem to have it. I'll always bet on athletic traits combined with a strong work ethic but some players never apply the training to the field. After all that work he hasn't progressed at all, he's making the same mistakes he was making last year. With his skill set he needs to have the nuances of the position down pat, and he just doesn't look even close right now. So I'm pretty close to giving up on him at this point. He can maybe salvage his career if he switches to big slot, I'd at least be interested to see what that looks like. I actually do think Coleman works really hard and I think he wants to be great. I like the kid... But one thing it seems like he's never going to be able to overcome, and this was apparent in College as well, is the fact that the guy looks like he's running in quicksand at times... It's not all the time, but man at times it looks like he has lead cleats on... It's just really apparent... Quote
HappyDays Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 1 minute ago, KOKBILLS said: But one thing it seems like he's never going to be able to overcome, and this was apparent in College as well, is the fact that the guy looks like he's running in quicksand at times... It's not all the time, but man at times it looks like he has lead cleats on... It's just really apparent... Poor speed can be overcome. But it takes a high level of nuance and attention to detail. Coleman in that respect has not progressed at all since last year to my eyes. I really think he could be capable of it even with his 40 time if he developed his technique. He is still a very good athlete and plenty of WRs use their strength and technique and understanding of leverage to get open more than their speed. But whatever training he's done and whatever coaching he's received is not showing up on the field. 1 Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago On 10/16/2025 at 11:49 AM, BuffaloBaumer said: The problem is that Giants and Patriots are all over the WR talk, and no doubt have a much better cap situation than Buffalo...not to mention the drafting position next year, if a 1st is involved. Outbid them. Tell teams this. They know our situation already if that GM has eyes. Don't look at it as overpaying as its just the cost of doung business. How many teams have we seen have a ~#4-#9 QB due for an extension, and all the sudden theyre the top earner, or tied with the #1 guy on a per year figure. THATS BUSINESS IN THE NFL! This team being where they are at, and potentially a single top WR away from 1 seed+SB appearance, should just expect to pay it.... or we can be content with #2seed, no bye week, and fizzle out in Divisional Game. Idk where TF the urgency is from our FO Quote
GoBills808 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 6 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Poor speed can be overcome. But it takes a high level of nuance and attention to detail. Coleman in that respect has not progressed at all since last year to my eyes. I really think he could be capable of it even with his 40 time if he developed his technique. He is still a very good athlete and plenty of WRs use their strength and technique and understanding of leverage to get open more than their speed. But whatever training he's done and whatever coaching he's received is not showing up on the field. i got big hate for saying three weeks ago he looks the same...because he does i'm not writing him off or anything but he needs a LOT more work 1 Quote
BillsSbSoon Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 7 hours ago, BuffaloBaumer said: If last night in Cincinnati did not prove how freaking important it is to have at least one number one receiver, I don’t know what will Bingo. Can you imagine Allen with that type of talent? What we are doing right now is criminal. At the end of the day though I feel like beane and McDermott are too stubborn to admit we have a big problem at wr and they’ll do nothing Quote
HappyDays Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: i got big hate for saying three weeks ago he looks the same...because he does i'm not writing him off or anything but he needs a LOT more work I am extremely patient with young players. One thing I will always push back on is people calling rookies or even 2nd year players busts. But there has to be some sort of arc of progress to keep the hope alive and there just isn't anything there right now. I'm at a point where I'd make him a big slot the rest of the season because without the refined technique that's the only spot where his natural athletic abilities are going to work. Of course we don't have anybody that can reasonably take the X role from him so that complicates things. But him being forced into that role is the #1 problem with the passing offense right now IMO. Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 23 hours ago, Mikie2times said: Why can't our great culture allow for us to sign guys like Pickens? How strong can your culture really be if we can never consider prospects like this? Dude im very much in this boat... but Pickens is too far even for me. Hes not just a POS off the field. Hes not just a "diva" demanding more balls. Hes a POS in the lockerroom (players&staff). Hes a "diva" in that he could bring a gun into the locker room over a minor perceived slight with players or staff. He soooo clearly breaks the hot vs crazy scale. Like a 10 hot and 20 crazy lol 1 Quote
BearNorth Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 5 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said: The Bills SB years featured a HOF QB and 2 HOF skill players in Thomas & Reed and a 3rd in Lofton for a couple of seasons. Bills also had a guy named Beebe who was at the time the fastest guy in the league, and when they lined up with Reed, Lofton and Beebe, defenses always had to respect gunslinger Kelly and the deep ball. Quote
947 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago Drake London & Tee Higgins are similar in size & 40-time to Keon. They were both dangerous WRs from early in their rookie years. I like Keon, but if he had that same potential, we'd be regularly seeing signs of it already. Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago (edited) 7 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I am extremely patient with young players. One thing I will always push back on is people calling rookies or even 2nd year players busts. But there has to be some sort of arc of progress to keep the hope alive and there just isn't anything there right now. I'm at a point where I'd make him a big slot the rest of the season because without the refined technique that's the only spot where his natural athletic abilities are going to work. Of course we don't have anybody that can reasonably take the X role from him so that complicates things. But him being forced into that role is the #1 problem with the passing offense right now IMO. Still hoping he puts it together. @BADOLBILZ (come back!) has pointed out that Keon is similar in traits to Devante Adams who had a meh rookie year and then such a bad second year (1 TD) that he was trending towards bust territory. He put it all together in year 3. Keon has the ability, he may just be a slower developer. But they clearly banked on him far too much for 2025 - Bishop too. And Carter in the 3rd round that year - oof. The 2024 draft was a DISASTER. Edited 12 hours ago by Coach Tuesday 2 1 1 Quote
GoBills808 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 9 minutes ago, 947 said: Drake London & Tee Higgins are similar in size & 40-time to Keon. They were both dangerous WRs from early in their rookie years. I like Keon, but if he had that same potential, we'd be regularly seeing signs of it already. plays smaller than he is unfortunately he got absolutely bullied on one of those third down incompletions Quote
HappyDays Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Keon has the ability, he may just be a slower developer. But they clearly banked on him far too much for 2025 - Bishop too. And Carter in the 3rd round that year - oof. The 2024 draft was a DISASTER. And I can even live with banking on a young safety to take a step, I get that you can't be strong everywhere on the roster. But banking on the sophomore WR with a lot to work on to be our X receiver was just a moronic plan. That isn't a position you can paper over. Look at what KC did - they drafted Josh Simmons but they also signed Jaylon Moore to at least give them a baseline LT option if Simmons didn't develop right away. You can't give yourself no backup options at the most important positions on the team. It's week 7 of what's supposed to be our Super Bowl year and we don't have a freaking X receiver. It's horrible and entirely predictable roster mismanagement. 1 Quote
sleeby Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago Supposedly? the fins asking price for waddle is a third round pick. But doubt they trade to an afc east team. 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 2 minutes ago, sleeby said: Supposedly? the fins asking price for waddle is a third round pick. But doubt they trade to an afc east team. I'd easily offer a 2nd + 1 Quote
RoscoeParrish Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 19 minutes ago, HappyDays said: And I can even live with banking on a young safety to take a step, I get that you can't be strong everywhere on the roster. But banking on the sophomore WR with a lot to work on to be our X receiver was just a moronic plan. That isn't a position you can paper over. Look at what KC did - they drafted Josh Simmons but they also signed Jaylon Moore to at least give them a baseline LT option if Simmons didn't develop right away. You can't give yourself no backup options at the most important positions on the team. It's week 7 of what's supposed to be our Super Bowl year and we don't have a freaking X receiver. It's horrible and entirely predictable roster mismanagement. For comparison sake, we ATTACKED CB2 in the offseason. Drafted a 1st round rookie Brought back a mid size contract vet who knows the system in Tre brought back another vet who basically only had his career success as CB2 two years prior. That’s for the CB2 spot! The spot that you realistically expect is going to be at most the second best DB out on the field all game. It’s gotten crazy. 2 Quote
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