Brandon Beane - failing Josh Allen

[Coffeesforclosers]

19 hours ago, Success said:

He can atone for everything w/ a blockbuster trade this week.

 

 

He won't though.

 

We'll get some washed former #1 WR that will be retired in a year.

 

It's not like he's going to throw two 1sts at Cinci for Tee Higgins.

Edited Thursday at 04:08 PM by Coffeesforclosers

[Low Positive]

There is a GIANT assumption that Josh Allen wanted another #1 WR after Diggs was traded, but the evil Beane and McClappy just wouldn’t give it to him. By all indications, he was, and still is, fully on board with the WR by committee approach in that is what he has to do to not deal with a diva in the locker room. Their fear of a giant personality and head case is keeping this team from success, and it’s a huge weakness that is present in the organization from ownership down to star QB. 

[MasterStrategist]

On 10/14/2025 at 9:47 AM, UKBillFan said:

For all the finger pointing at Beane, he doesn't draft in a silo. McDermott surely has a big say on who he wants too, particularly on defense and where he wants to focus picks when it comes to the roster? Plus wasn't Josh the one who asked for Coleman?

Problem isnt which positions are being targeted, more on this in a sec, but its the players ultimately that Beane and his scouts recommend.

 

Going back to 2023 draft - we invested our 1st pick in a "receiver", but its actually a hybrid TE/Slot.  Why did we do this?  Especially when Knox was under contract and we really needed a boundary WR still (thinking ahead to losing Gabe at a minimum in 2024).  

 

Then in 2024, again 1st pick is offense (Keon).  Right position, wrong player.

 

Add on: WR FA signings have been crap thus far, 2024-2025. 

 

Draft: 

23: discussed Kincaid.  Torrence was an excellent pick in Rd 2.  But then rest of draft is suspect/not on team

 

24: discussed Keon.  Then Bishop looks like a 50/50 shot to bust out.  Carter looked bad at end of LY, now injured.

 

25: too early to tell - injuries aren't Beanes fault- but Walker looks like a future core guy.

 

Position focus has been on point (except the selection of Kincaid, which should've been a WR IMO).  Its the player evaluations and pro scouting (FA moves), that is just plain pitiful the past two offseasons.

 

Bottom line, 24 and 25 if we wouldve picked the same positions, but selected different players, we might be in a much better spot.  Thats why I dont blame McD, he isnt running a scouting dept all season.

[Watkins90]

On 10/13/2025 at 9:37 PM, BillsFan130 said:

It's hard to say.

 

Defence- I put mostly on McDermott as I strongly believe he has a big say on who he wants.

 

Offence- Combination of Beane/Josh/Brady on who they bring in.

 

Now the big question is- Who's decision is it to tie up all the resources to the defence and mostly neglect the offence..

I think we just got complacent after averaging 30 points per game. We just thought we would be able to roll around and do it again because we have Josh and most of the guys coming back, rather than trying to really improve in that area and focus solely on defense. That was a mistake on his part. 

[finn]

16 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

There is a GIANT assumption that Josh Allen wanted another #1 WR after Diggs was traded, but the evil Beane and McClappy just wouldn’t give it to him. By all indications, he was, and still is, fully on board with the WR by committee approach in that is what he has to do to not deal with a diva in the locker room. Their fear of a giant personality and head case is keeping this team from success, and it’s a huge weakness that is present in the organization from ownership down to star QB. 

Josh Allen might not be the best source for draft or personnel moves, at least reports of his advocacy of Kincaid and Coleman are accurate. 

[Einstein]

37 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

He won't though.

 

We'll get some washed former #1 WR that will be retired in a year.

 

Bingo.

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

One could conclude that McDermott doesn't like many of Beane's picks 

.....then why did this knucklehead hand pick Beane to be his GM?  I think Andy knew a long time ago Sean's deficiencies in evaluating assistants and players. This mess is equally on both of them.

[TheFunPolice]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

.....then why did this knucklehead hand pick Beane to be his GM?  I think Andy knew a long time ago Sean's deficiencies in evaluating assistants and players. This mess is equally on both of them.

 

Familiarity. Same reason we signed a guy with a career ending neck injury to the practice squad last year, completely wasting a roster spot. 

 

For the record, I would absolutely let McDermott go if this team doesn't get to the Super Bowl this year. 

 

 

[finn]

15 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Familiarity. Same reason we signed a guy with a career ending neck injury to the practice squad last year, completely wasting a roster spot. 

Also why we've signed a disproportionate number of Carolina Panthers signed to the Bills roster. There is some logic to recruiting players you know well, but not to the degree they've gone, to say nothing of White, Poyer, Jackson, and Phillips. At some point you're buying comfort with mediocrity. 

Edited Thursday at 05:30 PM by finn

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

There is a GIANT assumption that Josh Allen wanted another #1 WR after Diggs was traded, but the evil Beane and McClappy just wouldn’t give it to him. By all indications, he was, and still is, fully on board with the WR by committee approach in that is what he has to do to not deal with a diva in the locker room. Their fear of a giant personality and head case is keeping this team from success, and it’s a huge weakness that is present in the organization from ownership down to star QB. 

 

This is all hyperbolic in tone.  No one's characterizing that this is went down in 2024 and continued into 2025.  

 

It's strange the people who cannot bring themselves to say "everybody eats" was a colossal failure.  I'd guess many of these were the people who called Beane a wizard who are noticeably avoiding that moniker.  

 

The team can be wrong in what they emphasize and what they don't.  And it's clear from the past 5 off-seasons they've avoided WRs, avoided having a robust passing game that could work for an entire season, and prioritized defense nearly every one of those years.  It hasn't worked for a long time.  Is that really hard to acknowledge?

[HamptonBillsfan]

I wonder how long it will take Beane to make a move to improve our defense or receiver corps. If he stands pat you would think he has Terry under the heavy anesthesia. With the new stadium coming Beane may feel he’s safe to stand pat figuring Josh will find a way to the playoffs. 

[zow2]

It's such a weird move to re-sign all the ex-Bills that were deemed expendable because they were not good enough.  

[KOKBILLS]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

If Pegula is paying any serious attention (a big "if"), Beane had an abysmal 2025 offseason.  Only one acquisition on offense who hasn't moved the needle.  A bunch of money spent on defense - including two suspended players (!) - with no measurable improvement to point to on that side of the ball.  And most of the 2025 draft class (also almost all consisting of defenders) is sitting on the bench or the training room, not helping improve the team.  

 

Beane has totally crapped the bed.  And the 2024 draft looks like a complete wash at this point.

 

Again, I don't know if Pegula actually cares as long as the PSLs are selling for 2026 and the team is competitive in the sense of being part of the expected playoff pool.

 

But yes, unequivocally yes - Beane has failed Josh Allen, plus every other Bills player, plus the guy signing his paychecks, plus the fans. 

 

I know you can't control injuries... But these last 2 Drafts have been underwhelming so far. We all have to consider the Bills purged all those vet contracts and loaded up on Draft picks specifically to boost the depth on this roster through the 2024 and 2025 Drafts. 

Here's what we are getting on the field right now from the past 2 Drafts...19 picks total...

 

1. Deone Walker - DT - 4th Rd 2025 - Pretty clearly the best player from either Draft so far with the biggest upside

2. Cole Bishop - S - 2nd Rd 2024 - Starting S but pretty clearly up and down at this point.

3. Max Hairston - CB - 1st Rd 2025 - He's this high because he's a 1st Round Pick and injury or not he is the Bills plan A right now to improve at CB. Just depends on when he'll be able to play. 

4. Keon Coleman - WR - 2nd Rd 2024 - Starting WR but no where near the player they Drafted him to be at this point.

5. Jackson Hawes - TE - 5th Rd 2025 - 3rd TE but a strong start for a Rookie. Has contributed more in the passing game already than most thought he would. Should only get better.

6. Ray Davis - RB - 4th Rd 2024 - 3rd RB who has shown some real good flashes but has also been inconsistent at times.

7. TJ Sanders - DT - 2nd Rd 2025 - Played a lot the 1st 4 games before getting hurt. Showed some flashes but was nothing special. Typical rookie stuff though. It can be argued he would have looked a lot better by the end of the year if he did not get hurt...But he did...

8. Dorian Strong - CB - 6th Rd 2025 - Started week 1 and was probably the least of the Bills problems on Defense outside of Ed Oliver. Was starting to get more reps and I think the plan was going to see him replace Tre as the starter soon. But like Sanders he got hurt and his injury seems to be more serious. This was a huge depth loss.

9. Tylan Grable - OT - 6th Rd 2024 - He won the swing OT role in 2024 and really looked good. Had concussion issues in camp and it seems like, due to numbers and the fact that the Bills already have quality depth at OT and IOL the Bills have decided to just keep him on ice till they need him. If the concussion issues are not really serious Grable is a very nice piece moving forward.

10. Sedrick Van Pran-Granger - C - 5th Rd 2024 - By all reports he was taking the #2 C snaps in mini camp. Then he got hurt, missed the entire training camp, and now has been passed by Anderson again for the primary backup role at C. Still... I think he's the odds on favorite to be the starting C if McGovern leaves in Free Agency next year.

11. Landon Jackson - DE - 3rd Rd 2025 - Has been active the last two games but has nothing really to show for it. Coming along much slower than most, including myself, expected. Still he has real good upside. May not be much of anything till 2026 and beyond though.

12. Javon Solomon - DE - 5th Rd 2024 - Last DE in the rotation and ST's player. 
13. Jordan Hancock - S - 5th Rd 2025 - Got injured late in Camp when he seemed to really be coming on. At this point though, with how terrible our Safety play has been, you have to wonder how he has not managed to get on the field.

14. Chase Lundt - OT - If it were not for the injuries he would likely be on the PS right now. 

 

Dewayne Carter is on IR and out for the year. But if he showed anything in 2024 no way the Bills sign Ogunjobi and Draft 2 DT's...International sensation OT Travis Cayton is on the PS for the 2nd consecutive year... Edefuan Ulofoshio, Daequan Hardy, Kaden Prather all cut and gone..

Walker is not technically a starter yet... But he's playing well enough that he can be categorized as a solid starter I think... But that's it... Bishop and Keon are not there yet...The rest are role players, back-ups, or injured...

I think numbers wise, as far as who is still around it's actually not bad... But impact wise it's brutal. Injuries have effected or stunted the progress of 8 different Draft picks over the past two years...

But we also have to look at the picks themselves. As a Draft junkie...I have issues...lol...Coleman over McConkey would be the most obvious... Look...we can get into slot over X and all that stuff... I think on this board we all know McConkey played outside on 70% of his downs in his last year in GA, and he's played outside on about 40% of his downs in the NFL... But the thing is... The Bills went against their normal philosophy here and it cost them dearly. They have always preferred separators for Josh since we went out and got Brown and Beasley. McConkey should have been the pick there... In the late 3rd the Bills took an average sized DT with a 4th Rd Grade (#118 overall on the consensus board) in DeWayne Carter. The problem there for me was that WR Troy Franklin was still available. And especially considering that they took Coleman, it seemed to me doubling up with Franklin was even more necessary at that point. Now, I'm not trying to say Franklin was an elite prospect... But the Bills want to have this everybody eats philosophy and that means you have to have players who specialize somewhat. And Franklin can stretch the field. He was a high quality College #1 WR... And right now Franklin would be the Bills #2 WR in receptions and yards. He's starting this year in Denver. 24 Receptions for 250 yards and a TD... The Bills could have had Franklin with a 3rd Rd pick...#95 overall... That's a bargain...

It's WAY too early to tell about the 2025 class... And I had Max right at #30 overall on my board...So it was a decent value pick... The thing is there was one guy...one guy that I had rated #11 overall and he was still available... And I definitely felt he was a legit difference-maker-type prospect. That prospect was LB Jihaad Campbell from Alabama. The guy just stood out... His RAS was incomplete... But a 9.88 incomplete...And he had game breaking skills as a pass rusher at LB that were still just developing. I realize some teams had concerns with the shoulders and the knees, but Howie Roseman said none of those were long term concerns... He had surgery for the torn labrum in his left shoulder and has been fine so far this year. He's played and started every game. 40 TT's, 20 solo, a FF, an INT, and 2 PD's...And I know the Bills wanted a CB... Fine... I get that... But the thing that drives me nuts is this... The constant...we took the player that was highest rated on our board stuff... Like... OK... If I take you at face value on that Mr Beane then...you need new scouts... Because if y'all had Max higher than Campbell on your big board you should not be doing what you are doing in the NFL... If you had DeWayne Carter higher than Troy Franklin... You're nuts!

Anyway... I can go on and on... 

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

On 10/13/2025 at 10:37 PM, BillsFan130 said:

It's hard to say.

 

Defence- I put mostly on McDermott as I strongly believe he has a big say on who he wants.

 

Offence- Combination of Beane/Josh/Brady on who they bring in.

 

Now the big question is- Who's decision is it to tie up all the resources to the defence and mostly neglect the offence..

Everyone keeps throwing Allen's name out there like he has any say in who they bring in on the O.  Sure, AFTER they decide to go after a guy they might bounce the idea off Allen who MIGHT be able to veto the idea.  But the claim that Allen is involved in who they bring in seems farfetched to me.  After all if he was making personnel decisions wouldn't he be trying to get ELITE WR talent and not borderline JAG's on the Bills?

 

 

[Billsflyer12]

McBeene hasn't failed Josh if Josh allows or maybe even endorses this way of team building.  Josh has all the power and uses none of it, unless as it’s seems more likely as seasons passes he is ok with it all.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, finn said:

Also why we've signed a disproportionate number of Carolina Panthers signed to the Bills roster. There is some logic to recruiting players you know well, but not to the degree they've gone, to say nothing of White, Poyer, Jackson, and Phillips. At some point you're buying comfort with mediocrity. 

There's literally only 1 organization in all of the NFL we can draw players from (Carolina).  All because these guys can't evaluate talent beyond their "familiarity" boundaries. That has got to be the sorriest strategy I've ever seen.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, finn said:

Josh Allen might not be the best source for draft or personnel moves, at least reports of his advocacy of Kincaid and Coleman are accurate. 

What "reports" are you talking about? 

[BillsFan130]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Everyone keeps throwing Allen's name out there like he has any say in who they bring in on the O.  Sure, AFTER they decide to go after a guy they might bounce the idea off Allen who MIGHT be able to veto the idea.  But the claim that Allen is involved in who they bring in seems farfetched to me.  After all if he was making personnel decisions wouldn't he be trying to get ELITE WR talent and not borderline JAG's on the Bills?

 

 

Do you not know he was the primary reason they wanted Kincaid and Coleman?

[Dillenger4]

On 10/13/2025 at 10:33 PM, Big Blitz said:

First question.  

 

How much of this is Beane’s roster or McD?

 

 

They say it’s Beane.  That’s what I’m operating on.  Coaching is an issue for sure especially on defense.   
 

But this is 2025 it’s tough to build and maintain a great defense that lacks Hall of Fame D lineman.  
 

And he’s had 8 years to find that centerpiece.  
 

Fail.  
 

 

Weapons on offense.  He recognizes we needed Diggs.  Then felt Josh is so super human we’re going to go with guys at WR no one should ever fear.  
 

And that along with a bunch of other moves on defense is why this season is about to spiral out of control.  Rapp.  Bishop.  CB2 was going to be a rookie or Tre White. 
 

We banked on Mr. Glass Milano who’s already next to an injury prone Bernard.  
 

 

Mess.  A total mess of a roster.   
 

 

CREDIT - he got Oline right.  After 6 years of trying - realizing Quinton Spain was a bad idea.   
 

And James Cook has developed.  
 

This isn’t on coaching.  At least half the league has a better roster than us.  And some significantly so.  

WTF???We have been to two AFCCG. Playoffs every year basically. Beane has constructed a good team! It's the Joe's that can't get it done. MVP boy who sits and cries when he throws a pick. We are old! slow!

Beane did his job but the WINDOW HAS CLOSED.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Low Positive said:

There is a GIANT assumption that Josh Allen wanted another #1 WR after Diggs was traded, but the evil Beane and McClappy just wouldn’t give it to him. By all indications, he was, and still is, fully on board with the WR by committee approach in that is what he has to do to not deal with a diva in the locker room. Their fear of a giant personality and head case is keeping this team from success, and it’s a huge weakness that is present in the organization from ownership down to star QB. 

Damn jumping to conclusions are we? So Allen is a "huge weakness" because he's afraid of of a "giant personality and head case" at WR?

 

Allen strikes me as the kind of person who was taught to make lemonade from lemons.  That's why he's all in on "everyone eats".  

 

The idea that Allen would not be thrilled to have Chase & Higgens as his top 2 WR's is insane on it face.