Ridiculous stat that sums up the secondary play

[BillzFreak]

2 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

It's especially bad this season, but this has been something I've noticed in McD's defense for a long while now. 

 

I wonder to what extent they are coached to make a play on the ball, cuz it seems like even when guys are in position they are thinking "tackle" and not "attack the ball". McDermott always likes the players to keep the play in front of them, so I do think there's something being coached in that regard. 

 

But this year our secondary is so slow it's kind of a non-starter since they're nowhere near the play anyway. 

That's exactly it we don't attack the ball at all. This whole defense is keep everything in front of you and tackle. Funny thing is this year especially were horrible at tackling.

[Jimmy Harris 69]

It’s so complicated it runs like a Swiss watch run over by a herd of rhinos. 

[HappyDays]

12 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

At least two other sources have them at 11 PDs, not 2; I am doubting the accuracy of Erik's claim.

They have also faced the 3rd or 4th  least amount of passes in the NFL this season.

 

Fair enough, he says his source is TruMedia. I usually use TeamRankings.com. On there they show Rousseau with 2 passes defensed on the year and no other Bills player with any (hasn't been updated to include Epenesa's from yesterday). Off the top of my head I can't think of any legit pass breakups from the secondary. Certainly not 11. So I'd like to know how that stat is being charted by different sources.

[Simon]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Fair enough, he says his source is TruMedia. I usually use TeamRankings.com. On there they show Rousseau with 2 passes defensed on the year and no other Bills player with any (hasn't been updated to include Epenesa's from yesterday). Off the top of my head I can't think of any legit pass breakups from the secondary. Certainly not 11. So I'd like to know how that stat is being charted by different sources.

 

I remember making a smart assed remark around Week 2(?) congratulating Dorian Williams for finally getting his first NFL PD.

[gobills404]

As others have pointed the Bills have 11 pass breakups. It’s also worth noting that the Bills defense has faced the second fewest pass attempts per game in the league. Hard to get pass breakups when the other teams not throwing it.

Edited 14 hours ago by gobills404

[All_Pro_Bills]

52 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

So wondering how all this gets corrected in season.  Tre to bench for Hairston/Strong platoon?  Benford stays at CB1?  Hancock takes some reps at S and NCB?

 

Can the next few years' secondary look like Hairston and Strong at outside CB, Hancock at NCB with Bishop and Benford at S.  Would seemingly get our best athletes out there and offer greater speed and size than what we have now.  Tre, Taron Johnson and Rapp from a speed standpoint are very pedestrian at this point.

 

And I believe the 5 younger names mentioned are best combination of coverage and tacklers in the Secondary of all players on roster currently.

This combo might not be the complete solution but it is the kind of creative thinking needed from the coaches. 

This personnel group and more man-to-man physical coverage play on the back end in combination with the full d line group later in the season could be what's needed to get past the Chiefs and win the SB.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

29 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

At least two other sources have them at 11 PDs, not 2; I am doubting the accuracy of Erik's claim.

They have also faced the 3rd or 4th  least amount of passes in the NFL this season.

Erik is rock solid, perhaps he means like a DB deflecting the ball and not a collision/impact breakup or DL deflection? 
 

Pro Football Reference also has us with 11 PBUs. 
 

No one on the defense has more than 2 PBUs, maybe that is what he meant. 

Edited 13 hours ago by TheyCallMeAndy

[rjbbills]

You have to remember we are playing with two less defensive players. No Safeties. I've seen it every game where our Safeties are so far back, slow, reactive vs proactive. The opponents players are catching the ball then these guys decide to take an action on the play. I'm sure their being told to play this way. 

[Not at the table Karlos]

They miss John Butler. He’s still cranking out good passing defenses in college. 

[NoSaint]

3 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Don't forget how complicated this scheme is to learn and play.

First, locate the closest receiver. Next get as far away from them as possible while still remaining on the field. When the QB throws rhe ball don't break on the route until the receiver catches the ball. Lastly, make sure to attempt the worst tackling technique as possible and make sure to take bad angles and miss. Allowing max YAC is best.

Remember this is very complicated.

bonus if you crush a teammate 

[Niagara Dude]

14 hours ago, HappyDays said:

In this video Erik says the Bills have just TWO pass breakups over the entire season, which unsurprisingly is the worst in the league. One of those was an Epenesa tipped pass from last night so really just one legit pass breakup from the secondary all year.

 

I don't know what happened to Benford, he has massively regressed. Meanwhile Tre obviously just can't physically play the position anymore. They will need to get Hairston on the field as soon as he is physically capable and hope for the best.

This is  all on McDermott's stupid defensive zone system,  guys are not hanging tight with receivers so they are almost never in a position to knock ball down. The system relies more on hopeful that the QB will make a mistake

 

Media needs to start asking McDermott tough questions

14 hours ago, HappyDays said:

In this video Erik says the Bills have just TWO pass breakups over the entire season, which unsurprisingly is the worst in the league. One of those was an Epenesa tipped pass from last night so really just one legit pass breakup from the secondary all year.

 

I don't know what happened to Benford, he has massively regressed. Meanwhile Tre obviously just can't physically play the position anymore. They will need to get Hairston on the field as soon as he is physically capable and hope for the best.

Benford was a late round pick for a reason,  he was never this elite CB. Solid CB but not some top 5-8 in the league like some fans were saying.  He was way over paid because his stats look good playing in McDermott soft zone system where CB's are playing so far off the ball

[Don Otreply]

14 hours ago, HappyDays said:

In this video Erik says the Bills have just TWO pass breakups over the entire season, which unsurprisingly is the worst in the league. One of those was an Epenesa tipped pass from last night so really just one legit pass breakup from the secondary all year.

 

I don't know what happened to Benford, he has massively regressed. Meanwhile Tre obviously just can't physically play the position anymore. They will need to get Hairston on the field as soon as he is physically capable and hope for the best.

It appears as disappointing as the defense has been, that stat is incorrect, eleven is the current count, according to espn,  but hey, who knows for sure…, 

[Chandler#81]

11 hours ago, gobills404 said:

As others have pointed the Bills have 11 pass breakups. It’s also worth noting that the Bills defense has faced the second fewest pass attempts per game in the league. Hard to get pass breakups when the other teams not throwing it.

🤷‍♂️ 

why throw when you can run to win?

[rajinka]

13 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

All I keep hearing is how T Johnson is an all pro. We are horrendous on 3rd down every year and guys just streak wide open across the field like Childs play. Him being out there also makes it so we can never stop the run. It’s a complete joke. WTF is this guy so good at?

Johnson is no longer all pro.  mid at best going back to last year

[Nihilarian]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2025.htm

 

11

[BearNorth]

13 hours ago, freddyjj said:

 

Can the next few years' secondary look like Hairston and Strong at outside CB, Hancock at NCB with Bishop and Benford at S.  Would seemingly get our best athletes out there and offer greater speed and size than what we have now.  

 

Benford is being paid CB money $17MM per.  Rapp is our highest paid safety at $3.5MM per.

13 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

 Off the top of my head I can't think of any legit pass breakups from the secondary. 

How would Bishop's Int vs. the saints be classified?

[Trogdor]

2 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

This is  all on McDermott's stupid defensive zone system,  guys are not hanging tight with receivers so they are almost never in a position to knock ball down. The system relies more on hopeful that the QB will make a mistake

 

Media needs to start asking McDermott tough questions

Benford was a late round pick for a reason,  he was never this elite CB. Solid CB but not some top 5-8 in the league like some fans were saying.  He was way over paid because his stats look good playing in McDermott soft zone system where CB's are playing so far off the ball

The issue now that wasn't as much before is that they drop into their zone and then don't move until the pass is made and often caught. Even where there is only one person in their zone they don't shade towards them. The safeties are especially bad at this and are always late in coverage because of it. It's almost a breakdown of what zone actually is. 

[dave mcbride]

16 hours ago, HappyDays said:

In this video Erik says the Bills have just TWO pass breakups over the entire season, which unsurprisingly is the worst in the league. One of those was an Epenesa tipped pass from last night so really just one legit pass breakup from the secondary all year.

 

I don't know what happened to Benford, he has massively regressed. Meanwhile Tre obviously just can't physically play the position anymore. They will need to get Hairston on the field as soon as he is physically capable and hope for the best.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2025.htm
 

Scroll down. This is not accurate. Rousseau has two, Tre White has two, and seven other players have one (11 in total). Incidentally, INTs count as pass break-ups, and they are obviously the best kind.

13 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Fair enough, he says his source is TruMedia. I usually use TeamRankings.com. On there they show Rousseau with 2 passes defensed on the year and no other Bills player with any (hasn't been updated to include Epenesa's from yesterday). Off the top of my head I can't think of any legit pass breakups from the secondary. Certainly not 11. So I'd like to know how that stat is being charted by different sources.

I mean, just two games ago Bishop had a spectacular pass breakup, with the added benefit of actually catching the ball himself.