Max Fischer Posted September 23 Posted September 23 (edited) 14 minutes ago, JP51 said: How long did we wait in Allens rookie year like 4 or 5 games? More like two quarters. The opening game, the Ravens were shellacking the Bills with Peterman's 0.0 QB rating. Allen came in and never relinquished the starting job. 8 minutes ago, JP51 said: Damn that was quick... I am trying to put the sequence together... did Peterman get hurt or just suck that bad... Peterman might be the worst QB ever to start a Bills game. And that is saying a lot. Edited September 23 by Max Fischer 4 Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted September 23 Posted September 23 This was all so predictable before the season - and then heading into last week's game, we just knew Wilson would have a meltdown against the Spags defense. I really think Daboll is toast if they don't see immediate progress from the offense. Quote
Jauronimo Posted September 23 Posted September 23 1 minute ago, Max Fischer said: More like two quarters. The opening game, the Ravens were shellacking the Bills with Peterman's 0.0 QB rating. Allen came in and never relinquished the starting job. Yup. Stat line below. 5 for 18, for 24 yards passing. 2 INTs, 3 sacks taken. 1 rushing yard. Down 26-0 at the half. That half confirmed that Peterman's disastrous game against LAC in 2017 wasn't a fluke but the most likeyl outcome. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201809090rav.htm 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: This was all so predictable before the season - and then heading into last week's game, we just knew Wilson would have a meltdown against the Spags defense. I really think Daboll is toast if they don't see immediate progress from the offense. Especially with Daniel Jones looking like a real QB in Indy. I fully expect that story line to crash and burn soon but at present it all looks really bad for Daboll and Schoen. 1 1 Quote
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 23 Posted September 23 If I am Wilson, I push the idea of a trade. A new city to open up a 'Russ Wilson Dangerous Sandwich Shoppe'. Pretty soon they'll be EVERYWHERE! 1 Quote
Max Fischer Posted September 23 Posted September 23 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: This was all so predictable before the season - and then heading into last week's game, we just knew Wilson would have a meltdown against the Spags defense. I really think Daboll is toast if they don't see immediate progress from the offense. Understandably, Daboll may not cut it as a Head Coach, but I'm more surprised that Joe Schoen has constructed such an awful roster. He's had enough high picks to hit on a few players, but the whole plan is a mess. They got saddled with Daniel Jones and his contract, but Jones has demonstrated that perhaps he wasn't the problem after all. 3 1 Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted September 23 Posted September 23 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: Yup. Stat line below. 5 for 18, for 24 yards passing. 2 INTs, 3 sacks taken. 1 rushing yard. Down 26-0 at the half. That half confirmed that Peterman's disastrous game against LAC in 2017 wasn't a fluke but the most likeyl outcome. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201809090rav.htm Especially with Daniel Jones looking like a real QB in Indy. I fully expect that story line to crash and burn soon but at present it all looks really bad for Daboll and Schoen. Not just looking like a real QB - their offense is EXACTLY what Mara thought they could have with Jones and Barkley, except it's Jones and Jonathan Taylor, with an ex-Eagles coach helming the ship no less. It's hilarious to think about how infuriated Mara must be with Schoen and Daboll watching what is going on in Indy right now. With competent coaching and a decent offensive line, they could at least be competitive with Jones and Barkley and that front seven on D. 1 1 Quote
MikePJ76 Posted September 23 Posted September 23 Dart comes off as one of the biggest D-Bags I have ever heard in the nfl and that is a tall mountain to climb. If he fails I imagine he fails big time. 1 Quote
JP51 Posted September 23 Posted September 23 10 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: More like two quarters. The opening game, the Ravens were shellacking the Bills with Peterman's 0.0 QB rating. Allen came in and never relinquished the starting job. Peterman might be the worst QB ever to start a Bills game. And that is saying a lot. Between him and Ode to Billy Joe... Quote
Walking Tall Posted September 23 Posted September 23 Daboll is toast. If I was Schoen, I’d step in and stop this but he’s also on the hotseat so tbey are probably both on board with this. Quote
dave mcbride Posted September 23 Posted September 23 2 hours ago, Don Otreply said: Wilson is washed, has been for a while now, if the Giants are lucky they might get a 6th or 7th pick for him Wilson was shockingly bad in the KC game. 1 Quote
JP51 Posted September 23 Posted September 23 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Walking Tall said: Daboll is toast. If I was Schoen, I’d step in and stop this but he’s also on the hotseat so tbey are probably both on board with this. Yeah the only way Schoen stays is if the team turns it around and Daboll does as well... I think their fates are linked and they will be the first ones to go If Miami beats the Jets this week... If the Phins lose and badly... McDaniel is your next contestant on Jeopardy! Thanks Ken! I will take Mammals that swim for 2000 Edited September 23 by JP51 1 Quote
BuffaloBill Posted September 23 Posted September 23 It’s amazing to see how rapidly Russ Wilson just fell off a cliff with regards to his ability to play the game at a high level. 2 Quote
dave mcbride Posted September 23 Posted September 23 10 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Not just looking like a real QB - their offense is EXACTLY what Mara thought they could have with Jones and Barkley, except it's Jones and Jonathan Taylor, with an ex-Eagles coach helming the ship no less. It's hilarious to think about how infuriated Mara must be with Schoen and Daboll watching what is going on in Indy right now. With competent coaching and a decent offensive line, they could at least be competitive with Jones and Barkley and that front seven on D. They simply never solved the offensive line, and the one good player, Andrew Thomas, started out poorly before becoming good - and then he ended up getting hurt all the time. His one good year -- 2022 -- is the year they made the playoffs. He was a second team all pro that season. The o-line has been a train wreck from mid-2023 onward. 1 Quote
The Jokeman Posted September 23 Posted September 23 (edited) 27 minutes ago, JP51 said: Damn that was quick... I am trying to put the sequence together... did Peterman get hurt or just suck that bad... According to Google AI, Josh Allen started his first NFL game for the Buffalo Bills on September 16, 2018, in a Week 2 matchup against the Los Angeles Chargers. After appearing in the season opener due to Nathan Peterman's benching, the Bills' head coach, Sean McDermott, named Allen the permanent starter for the next game. Edited September 23 by The Jokeman 1 Quote
billsintaiwan Posted September 23 Posted September 23 2 hours ago, zow2 said: Dart gives me Bo Nix rookie season vibes. Some good escape and running ability. Pretty solid passer, tough, good arm, decent pocket awareness. It might take a few games but it’s a good move and Daboll is on life support New England guy to me. I really like mayes (neutrally). I think he will have to wait for Josh to retire to do much, but he is something. Quote
The Jokeman Posted September 23 Posted September 23 1 minute ago, billsintaiwan said: New England guy to me. I really like mayes (neutrally). I think he will have to wait for Josh to retire to do much, but he is something. Mayes has less around him and performing better than Nix this year which a testament to him for sure. Quote
BarleyNY Posted September 23 Posted September 23 57 minutes ago, JP51 said: How long did we wait in Allens rookie year like 4 or 5 games? That was the Nathan Peterman debacle. As noted by others, Allen started week 2. Moving from a vet/bridge QB to a highly drafted rookie always seems to be almost solely dependent on how the vet/bridge plays. Sometimes you get Alex Smith, sometimes you get a cooked Russel Wilson or a trash Peterman. I wonder how long Flacco lasts as starter in Cleveland? He’s looking pretty washed. Still, in the last game he was getting a lot of players set properly on that offense. Not sure Dillon Gabriel is there yet with that aspect of playing QB. 1 Quote
BigAl2526 Posted September 23 Posted September 23 3 hours ago, boyst said: If I'm the giants I send Wilson to Cinci or somewhere I'd try to trade him to an NFC East foe if I could. With Russell Wilson, what you see is what you get. He has unquestioned talent but he is enamored with throwing deep passes. Smart defensive coordinators are going to know it, and if they have quality defensive personnel, they will defend against it. He'll make some big plays, but he's always going to be a risk to throw interceptions. Jaxon Dart is a smart young QB. He's going to make some mistakes, but he has a ton of upside. In retrospect, I think it was a mistake for Daboll ever to start Wilson. Quote
Rochesterfan Posted September 23 Posted September 23 2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: This changes the narrative in Daboll's favor. Instead of losing games with a veteran, he's now patiently developing a rookie much like he did with MVP Josh Allen. Yeah - except the guy he was brought into develop - he destroyed and is now totally revitalized in Indy and the guy he left in Buffalo has grown way beyond anything Daboll could teach. The Giants would have been smart to move on last year and let a new HC pick the QB, but now they have a terrible coach with a rookie he chose. This is why the Jets have failed so much - stupid management. I have no idea what Dart will do, but after they fail this year - it falls to a new coach with no ties to decide on the future - ala a bunch of Jets and Bears QBs before him. Not sure any of makes Daboll look good. 1 Quote
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 23 Posted September 23 1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said: Dart comes off as one of the biggest D-Bags I have ever heard in the nfl and that is a tall mountain to climb. If he fails I imagine he fails big time. What are you basing this on? 1 Quote
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