Any thoughts on Dorian Williams about to be starting again?

[Simon]

COuple notes on yesterday:

 

> He wasn't horrible for being tossed into a starting role unexpectedly when Milano went down, although he still has issues with angles and tackling at times. He actually had a pass defended, which may be the first one ever in his career. He also had my favorite play of the game. After he got called for roughing on the sideline while Benford was holding a guy up (the refs screwed up the number on the penalty) watch what he does on what I think was the very next snap; Babich sent him up the A-gap and I think it was Breece Hall that tried to pick him up. It did not go well for Breece.  If you have access, it's worth finding that play just to watch what Williams does to him. 

> How long is Taron out? The Bills might be even more inclined to run more base nickel rather than try Andreesen or a hobbled Shaq Thompson in the 4-3 they've been messing around with the first couple weeks.

> We're flirting with that situation with missing starters on every level of the defense again; you can get away with missing a guy here and there, but this stuff becomes exponentially harder to handle when it gets to be cumulative like this. You can do things defensively to hide soft spots, but those options become extremely limited as those soft spots multiply.

> Thoughts?

[26TrapDraw]

I may be the only guy here who bought a Dorian Williams jersey last season but I wore it to the bills backers tailgate at sofi against the rams last year and everyone was like Williams huh? he's not bad. First off Matt Milano he is not. I think that he takes bad angles sometimes and he recognizes plays late but he has sideline to sideline athleticism and he's thumper. He'll be serviceable at the minimum with Milano sidelined. He lead the Bills last year in tackles for the longest time if not the season. He'll be fine.

[Comebackkid]

were losing talent faster than we can replace it on the D and what is replacing it isnt that talented.  

we should be getting used to it by now..its a constant theme.   Seems like they are willing to roll with it.

at least Bishop looked more aggressive.   

[BillsFan130]

Just posted in the game day thread. I don't think this Miami matchup is good for Dorian.

 

Miami likes to use a lot of misdirection which gives Dorian a lot of problems

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by BillsFan130

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, Comebackkid said:

were losing talent faster than we can replace it on the D and what is replacing it isnt that talented.  

we should be getting used to it by now..its a constant theme.   Seems like they are willing to roll with it.

at least Bishop looked more aggressive.   

Most teams are losing players too. The Bucs, for instance, are down both starting OTs as I type this and just lost an edge rusher. The Seahawks played this week without both S Nick Emmanwori and CB Devin Witherspoon. Their fans have pages of discsusion about these injuries, but I bet most here didn't know anything about them. We just don't notice other teams' injuries unless they are QBs or high-profile stars so it feels like we are the only team with guys out.

[MasterStrategist]

17 minutes ago, Simon said:

COuple notes on yesterday:

 

> He wasn't horrible for being tossed into a starting role unexpectedly when Milano went down, although he still has issues with angles and tackling at times. He actually had a pass defended, which may be the first one ever in his career. He also had my favorite play of the game. After he got called for roughing on the sideline while Benford was holding a guy up (the refs screwed up the number on the penalty) watch what he does on what I think was the very next snap; Babich sent him up the A-gap and I think it was Breece Hall that tried to pick him up. It did not go well for Breece.  If you have access, it's worth finding that play just to watch what Williams does to him. 

> How long is Taron out? The Bills might be even more inclined to run more base nickel rather than try Andreesen or a hobbled Shaq Thompson in the 4-3 they've been flirting with the first couple weeks.

> We're flirting with that situation with missing starters on every level of the defense again; you can get away with missing a guy here and there, but this stuff becomes exponentially harder to handle when it gets to be cumulative like this. You can do things defensively to hide soft spots, but those options become extremely limited as those soft spots multiply.

> Thoughts?

Not concerned about Dorian.  Hes not Milano, but is serviceable.

 

Problem is being down potentially Taron and Cam too.  Id feel better if Taron is ready.  But if we are down to our 3rd nickle and Dorian, thats a big concern against a still dangerous offense.

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Most teams are losing players too. The Bucs, for instance, are down both starting OTs as I type this and just lost an edge rusher. The Seahawks played this week without both S Nick Emmanwori and CB Devin Witherspoon. Their fans have pages of discsusion about these injuries, but I bet most here didn't know anything about them. We just don't notice other teams' injuries unless they are QBs or high-profile stars so it feels like we are the only team with guys out.

Yep. Bills injuries really aren't that bad relative to the rest of the league.

 

Offence they are full healthy. This week they will probably be out two starters on defence. (I don't think Max would be starting over Tre yet so not considering him a starter)

 

So two starters down really isn't that bad and is probably on par for the NFL . Miami has two starters down on their O line alone 

[Big Turk]

He is a very capable replacement. He isn't Milano, but he is a good player.

[Simon]

4 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

But if we are down to our 3rd nickle and Dorian, thats a big concern against a still dangerous offense.

 

All of which is compounded by being without our best DL and having to run a LOT of snaps with green rookies and with DE's out of position to fill that hole. 

[NewEra]

I hope he does good 😀 

[Richard Noggin]

12 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Most teams are losing players too. The Bucs, for instance, are down both starting OTs as I type this and just lost an edge rusher. The Seahawks played this week without both S Nick Emmanwori and CB Devin Witherspoon. Their fans have pages of discsusion about these injuries, but I bet most here didn't know anything about them. We just don't notice other teams' injuries unless they are QBs or high-profile stars so it feels like we are the only team with guys out.

 

To be fair, Kancey is NOT an "edge rusher." He's a "DE" but it's on an odd-man front. He lines up anywhere from the 3 to the 5 technique most often. 

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, Simon said:

 

All of which is compounded by being without our best DL and having to run a LOT of snaps with green rookies and wit  DE's out of position to fill that hole. 

Fortunately for us, the Miami OL is struggling, and also forced to play alot of backups.

 

Need to get through this game, and then a mini bye for another home game against struggling Saints.

[MJS]

Milano hasn't really done much the first two games. He was not good week 1 and went out injured week 2. So, I don't imagine this will impact the defense super negatively. Maybe Shaq Thompson will be ready to go and can contribute, along with Williams.

[FireChans]

Dorian is at his best when Babich doesn’t make him think. 
 

He’s a bit like Nigel Bradham. When you let him play a downfield attacking style, he can make some plays. When he has to read and react, he’s illiterate.

Edited 52 minutes ago by FireChans

[Xwnyer]

38 minutes ago, Simon said:

COuple notes on yesterday:

 

> He wasn't horrible for being tossed into a starting role unexpectedly when Milano went down, although he still has issues with angles and tackling at times. He actually had a pass defended, which may be the first one ever in his career. He also had my favorite play of the game. After he got called for roughing on the sideline while Benford was holding a guy up (the refs screwed up the number on the penalty) watch what he does on what I think was the very next snap; Babich sent him up the A-gap and I think it was Breece Hall that tried to pick him up. It did not go well for Breece.  If you have access, it's worth finding that play just to watch what Williams does to him. 

> How long is Taron out? The Bills might be even more inclined to run more base nickel rather than try Andreesen or a hobbled Shaq Thompson in the 4-3 they've been flirting with the first couple weeks.

> We're flirting with that situation with missing starters on every level of the defense again; you can get away with missing a guy here and there, but this stuff becomes exponentially harder to handle when it gets to be cumulative like this. You can do things defensively to hide soft spots, but those options become extremely limited as those soft spots multiply.

> Thoughts?

Our strength n conditioning staff suck

[SoonerBillsFan]

19 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

All of which is compounded by being without our best DL and having to run a LOT of snaps with green rookies and with DE's out of position to fill that hole. 

That's what she said...

[BlueRed]

I’m excited to see Dorian again, he plays fast, mean and aggressive and although he makes mistakes, he’s fun to watch. 
 

I’m also hoping Terrell Bernard wakes up a little more against a pass happy team. I think I’m still adjusting to his single digit jersey number but he looks so small this year - when he’s standing by Rapp they are both the exact same size - anyone else think he’s smaller this year?

[Big Turk]

25 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Not concerned about Dorian.  Hes not Milano, but is serviceable.

 

Problem is being down potentially Taron and Cam too.  Id feel better if Taron is ready.  But if we are down to our 3rd nickle and Dorian, thats a big concern against a still dangerous offense.

 

The Bills held the Fins to like 150 yards of offense with 3/4 of their secondary out including having Jamar Ingram playing the entire game after being called up from the practice squad as a rookie.

 

I think they'll be fine. McD knows how to shut down the Fins and McDaniel's offense better than anyone else.

[SCBills]

13 minutes ago, Xwnyer said:

Our strength n conditioning staff suck

It’s more the players we choose to rely on. 
 

Taron Johnson is constantly banged up and now nearing the end, likely 1-2 more good years.  
 

Matt Milano is hurt all the time. 
 

Ed Oliver was just bad luck. 
 

We shouldn’t be shocked when guys who are constantly injured, get injured. 

[transient]

Better Williams than Spector or Klein...