2 point play design

[iccrewman112]

Seems like these were take a quick read then Josh just buy time and make something happen for the first two attempts, then a low percentage fade on the 3rd. 
 

seems like there needs to be better design on these to get guys open right away. On the penalized attempt your allowed to run a pick within 1 yard.

 

lastly not sure why read option with Josh isn’t the go to choice here and then have give him an option to flip it to a TE or WR since the line doesn’t have to go downfield.

 

hoping Joe Brady can go back and find some better options. And by default this helps in goalline situations as well.

[MikePJ76]

Side note.

 

haven’t seen anyone in the media talking about the Irony of the game coming down to the bills needing a 2 pt conversion and not getting it in their attempt to comeback.  
 

it was like role reversal until the bills won the game.  

[transient]

5 minutes ago, iccrewman112 said:

Seems like these were take a quick read then Josh just buy time and make something happen for the first two attempts, then a low percentage fade on the 3rd. 

If he throws the ball up for a jump ball, I think Coleman has a much better chance at it.

[BillsFan130]

Ya what were they 0/2 or 0/3 on the 2 point try?

For sure need better scheme design

Edited 3 hours ago by BillsFan130

[Warriorspikes51]

has any team EVER won a game when being 0/3 on 2 point tries?

 

I highly doubt it 

[Process]

Bills need to remove the fade completely from the playbook. Sure Keon will come down with it once in a while, but it's a low percentage play and Josh is not good at throwing it. 

 

You have a cyborg at QB, + James Cook. Find a better way to get two yards. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

14 minutes ago, iccrewman112 said:

Seems like these were take a quick read then Josh just buy time and make something happen for the first two attempts, then a low percentage fade on the 3rd. 
 

seems like there needs to be better design on these to get guys open right away. On the penalized attempt your allowed to run a pick within 1 yard.

 

lastly not sure why read option with Josh isn’t the go to choice here and then have give him an option to flip it to a TE or WR since the line doesn’t have to go downfield.

 

hoping Joe Brady can go back and find some better options. And by default this helps in goalline situations as well.

Agreed. 
 

1) on the first try, you have to run. We got an extra yard on the penalty. Just run cook off tackle or something.

 

2) on the second try, it was a playground type of play, which seemed disorganized or broke down.

 

3) on the third try, it was just a low chance of success throwing a fade like that. And it doesn’t give your QB any options. 
 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

Allen needs to get those fades higher.  They were talking about it on Hark Knocks for a segment.

As Collinsworth said, that was body height.  Keon can't use his height at his advantage if it's thrown it where the shorter defender can easily get his hands on it.

Literally throw it 10 feet, Coleman windmill dunks....he gets that ball with ease.

[Success]

The play call on the 1st try was weird to me.

 

We only did it because of the penalty, which put the ball on the 1.  But choosing to go shotgun & throw it there made that a moot point. They could have done that from the regular spot.

 

[BuffaloRebound]

We are struggling running it up the gut including with Allen.  Run more read option with Josh.  That should be unstoppable. 

[ganesh]

Should have tried some stuff with putting Johnson,  Cook and Moore  on the field. 

[zow2]

Just don't run a 50/50 pass on two-point conversion attempts.  That's just weird.  That's a play for maybe 1st and goal from the four or something.  

 

My whole thing about 2-pt conversions from the beginning of time is that you should not go for it unless it's necessary later in the 2nd half.  What's the point... You need to make a 7 point deficit to 6 points?  That's a dumb decision.  Unless it's a really windy day and you know XPs are less than 50% chance.  

[Success]

I thought it was PI on that last one to Coleman, too.  Looked like the DB was holding his shoulder pad the whole time.

 

[Einstein]

34 minutes ago, transient said:

If he throws the ball up for a jump ball, I think Coleman has a much better chance at it.

 

Probably.

 

But Coleman still has to catch a ball that hits him in the friggin face.

 

 

[henry jones]

They just need to get more creative.  KC seems to always have something up their sleeve that results in an easy conversion (or maybe it's simply because it's against our "defense").  From 2 yards out, I don't think we have the horses up front to smash it in regularly.  Need to find some creative ways to get JA running outside.  Fade routes are an extremely low percentage play.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Agreed. 
 

1) on the first try, you have to run. We got an extra yard on the penalty. Just run cook off tackle or something.

 

2) on the second try, it was a playground type of play, which seemed disorganized or broke down.

 

3) on the third try, it was just a low chance of success throwing a fade like that. And it doesn’t give your QB any options. 
 

 

 

The 2nd play was the Cook pretending to come into block and then sudden change and motion out. The Bills made 2 pointers on it last year (both with Cook and I think Shakir) but the Ravens were ready for it.

[SoonerBillsFan]

Sucks. Nothing else to say

[Livinginthepast]

Brady's offense desperately needs some misdirection and some trickery. We dont have the Oline for smash mouth "I dare you to stop it" one yard runs and we are 50/50 on tush pushes. Play action reverse naked bootleg (Flutie style vs Jacksonville) might be a good idea.

Edited 1 hour ago by Livinginthepast

[Jalan81]

41 minutes ago, henry jones said:

They just need to get more creative.  KC seems to always have something up their sleeve that results in an easy conversion (or maybe it's simply because it's against our "defense").  From 2 yards out, I don't think we have the horses up front to smash it in regularly.  Need to find some creative ways to get JA running outside.  Fade routes are an extremely low percentage play.

It’s pretty obvious Brady is lacking in the creativity department. 

[transient]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Probably.

 

But Coleman still has to catch a ball that hits him in the friggin face.

 

 

Exactly... if you throw it over his head it can't hit him in the face.