BullBuchanan Posted September 4 Posted September 4 2 hours ago, Augie said: People want to make excuses and fancy arguments. Stealing is stealing. You know right from wrong, no matter how good youn are at justifying what you would prefer. If paying for something doesn't give me ownership, then how can not paying for it be stealing? You seem confused. 1 Quote
DCOrange Posted September 4 Posted September 4 Looks like the site is still up and working for me. Only thing I really use it for is the Washington Mystics because DC charges like $400 to watch the local teams here and I ain't doing that when WNBA League Pass is like $10 lol 1 Quote
T&C Posted September 4 Posted September 4 19 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Looks like the site is still up and working for me. Only thing I really use it for is the Washington Mystics because DC charges like $400 to watch the local teams here and I ain't doing that when WNBA League Pass is like $10 lol It still is up and working alright... kind of a false alarm thread. Quote
Johnny Bravo Posted September 4 Posted September 4 1 hour ago, Harold Jackson said: It's only a luxury because corporate greed decided to make it one. It was free with your television purchase for many years. Watching football was a luxury when it was free, too. football is not a necessity. Quote
Harold Jackson Posted September 4 Posted September 4 2 minutes ago, Johnny Bravo said: Watching football was a luxury when it was free, too. football is not a necessity. Philosophically, sure. I'm the first to say that getting emotionally involved with a team on your tv is childish. But that doesn't nullify the fact that it is in fact corporate greed that is doing this to the masses. Quote
Johnny Bravo Posted September 4 Posted September 4 2 minutes ago, Harold Jackson said: Philosophically, sure. I'm the first to say that getting emotionally involved with a team on your tv is childish. But that doesn't nullify the fact that it is in fact corporate greed that is doing this to the masses. Doing what to the masses? Offering them a product at a certain price and then giving them the choice of paying for it or not? If that is the net result of all of this so-called greed, it’s pretty benign. Seriously, some people need to stop seeing themselves as perpetual victims and start looking at life as though you all have some agency. If legal NFL stream is a bad product and doesn’t deliver value then don’t buy. If streaming NFL legally is a good product and you can’t afford it, then cut back on other areas or get a side hustle so that you can afford it…or do without and congratulate yourself for being a responsible adult and living within your means. Quote
Walking Tall Posted September 4 Posted September 4 2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: Because the owners are the ones with all the power. It's an Employer-employee relationship. The players have LOTS of power. Quote
skibum Posted September 4 Posted September 4 3 hours ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: My take: There are no good options to pay for what I want and only what I want (Bills games) out of market. Could I pay for the full streaming package, sure. Could the owners pay for their stadiums fully with the revenue from their business operations, yes. Do they, no. I can't blame them, our elected representatives allow them to do that. It would certainly be the moral thing for the owners to do but they want to maximize profits. I take the same approach here, I'm just trying to maximize my profits and doing my fiduciary duty to myself. Very well said! I will also add that the NFL has managed broadcast licensing with zero consideration for their customer base. They are leveraging technology to force a certain type of fan to buy subscriptions they will otherwise never use. I don't want Peacock, I just want a freaking football game. The NFL has the ability to sell me one, but they're too greedy to do it. 2 1 Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted September 4 Posted September 4 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: If paying for something doesn't give me ownership, then how can not paying for it be stealing? You seem confused. Have you ever signed a lease? 2 hours ago, Harold Jackson said: It's only a luxury because corporate greed decided to make it one. It was free with your television purchase for many years. It was heavily subsidized, not free. 1 Quote
Beck Water Posted September 4 Posted September 4 On 9/3/2025 at 10:09 AM, billsfan89 said: They basically just have to try to make it a pain in the ass to pirate games. But the problem is that the more you segment games across so many different platforms the more demand you create for piracy because fans just want to watch the games and they find it easier to pirate than to have cable and 5 different streaming services... That's basically it. I don't have cable. I don't want cable. I also don't want to pay for half-a-dozen platforms. If I could pay some reasonable legal fee per game to watch over WiFi, I would prefer that. 2 Quote
Harold Jackson Posted September 4 Posted September 4 15 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Have you ever signed a lease? It was heavily subsidized, not free. The public still wasn't gouged for profit Quote
billsfan714 Posted September 4 Posted September 4 9 minutes ago, Beck Water said: That's basically it. I don't have cable. I don't want cable. I also don't want to pay for half-a-dozen platforms. If I could pay some reasonable legal fee per game to watch over WiFi, I would prefer that. Amen to that, as an out of town Bills fan I just want to watch the Bills games that are not on national TV. I dont watch 48 hours of pro football a week ( 16 games x 3 hours a game). That could be an option, but the NFL wont give you that option. 1 Quote
Harold Jackson Posted September 4 Posted September 4 47 minutes ago, Johnny Bravo said: Doing what to the masses? Don't be so silly ,man. This is simply an extension of all things they create class warfare with. Dental, medical, rent, insurance. Tv, phones, water. It's all part of the f over of the common man..and yeah, taxes. Quote
TheyCallMeAndy Posted September 4 Posted September 4 Honest Question: Streaming site pays for the service, and hosts/airs the game on their site allowing 350,000 people watch it. Buffalo Wild Wings pays for the service and has game on allowing 350,000 people watch it. What's the difference? 2 1 Quote
Kenosha2Buffalo Posted September 4 Posted September 4 anytime this happens to one of these sites, it typically goes back online in a day or two, sometimes minutes/hours. Streameast has A lot of employees and other locations Quote
behind a post WMS69 Posted September 4 Posted September 4 (edited) 6 hours ago, Metal Man said: You will only get the Bills games that are on Sundays in the 1 or 4 time slots. Sunday night football, monday night football, thursday night football, and any of the exclusive games the NFL sells to other streaming apps aren't included with the sunday ticket package. Thanks. Wow that is f00ked. I guess I'll be joining the dark side. Edited September 4 by behind a post WMS69 2 Quote
Chaos Posted September 4 Posted September 4 6 hours ago, YattaOkasan said: Stealing is not necessarily morally wrong. Moral are internal to self. So I could feel something is moral to steal (maybe it was stolen from me originally or something else was stolen, literally the case many posters are making here). So there is 100% moral ambiguity because morals are internal and we are not hive minded or robots. You seem to be on the side of Jafar and the Sheriff of Nottingham against Aladdin and Robinhood who both believed it was morally ok to steal to feed hungry children even though it was ethically wrong. My rationalizations are my morals we all have them. we differ and thats fine but i am not confused about what im doing and am very honest with myself that its ok. Morally I cant tell you youre wrong thats for you to live with. Ethically you are wrong for taking a car while I am not for watching a stream posted publicly. Well, you didn't really read what I wrote before. I literally pointed out that no ones children are starving because someone did not get to watch their favorite sportiing event. And you are simply rationalizing, and either don't understand the difference between rationalization and justification, or just don't want to understand the difference. Quote
YattaOkasan Posted September 4 Posted September 4 6 minutes ago, Chaos said: Well, you didn't really read what I wrote before. I literally pointed out that no ones children are starving because someone did not get to watch their favorite sportiing event. And you are simply rationalizing, and either don't understand the difference between rationalization and justification, or just don't want to understand the difference. Maybe i got distracted by the first line that said stealing is stealing and is ethically and morally wrong. Did you not mean that to be your thesis? You said theres no moral ambiguity which i fundamentally disagree. Ill be over here with aladdin and jasmine and you can hang with jafar and iago cause there are def times where stealing can be morally right. Quote
Dan Posted September 4 Posted September 4 I’ll pose a final question question/comment (for me): so I crank up the YouTube machine. Totally legit YouTube right? I can watch all 4 episodes of Hard Knocks with the Bills right now (episode 5 is not there yet). If I watch that.. am I stealing from HBO? If I watch all the other content… like old NFL games, ESPN clips, etc. Am I stealing that content as well? How do I know what is legally produced and posted on YouTube and ok for me to watch vs some random dude just posting it without permissions? It’s a bit similar to the streaming live game sites? How do I know which ones are legit? I mean the porn pop ups are usually a tell tale sign… but they’re also a nice bonus. LOL Quote
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