JP51 Posted Wednesday at 05:15 PM Posted Wednesday at 05:15 PM 3 hours ago, SCBills said: Joe Buscaglia casually floating that he won’t be surprised if the Bills trade a receiver that helps them with the cap. This in response to a tweet listing various teams monitoring the WR trade market. Could open up a spot for Gabe Davis and/or Tyrell Shavers. I mean sure... like are we gonna get someone to take Samuel off our hands... other than that who? Josh Palmer? I am not sure that people are looking to the Bills to tap into their receiver room... I think the players people would look for would be Coleman or Shakir... and I dont see them being moved unless there was a great deal in return... other than that... So, literally if someone is looking to give us a pick for Samuel ... I am in... assuming there is a cap savings. Quote
Dillenger4 Posted Wednesday at 05:22 PM Posted Wednesday at 05:22 PM 13 minutes ago, Logic said: Would you mind pointing me to some of the good reports out of camp for Moore? Because I genuinely don't remember readying many/any. I also believe he has more drops than catches through two preseason games. With McDermott talking about uncertainty after the top three WRs and then bringing in Gabe Davis for a visit, I think calling Moore a "solid lock" for the roster seems too generous. I don't get that impression. I may be wrong, and he may make it, but... while I've read consistently glowing camp reports about Keon Coleman, Tyrell Shavers, and even some Palmer praise at times....Elijah Moore? I must've missed those. There have been a few. I think Joe B on X. Here is one I found quickly: https://www.buffalobills.com/video/joshua-palmer-and-elijah-moore-s-incredible-catches-training-camp-2025 just snoop around on google... it's out there for sure. And I agree with you on Gabe Davis. I'd like him on the squad at #4 or #5 WR. Quote
SCBills Posted Wednesday at 05:36 PM Posted Wednesday at 05:36 PM (edited) 21 minutes ago, JP51 said: I mean sure... like are we gonna get someone to take Samuel off our hands... other than that who? Josh Palmer? I am not sure that people are looking to the Bills to tap into their receiver room... I think the players people would look for would be Coleman or Shakir... and I dont see them being moved unless there was a great deal in return... other than that... So, literally if someone is looking to give us a pick for Samuel ... I am in... assuming there is a cap savings. For me, it’s just when Joe B says something, it’s usually based in factual rumblings. I don’t know who would want Samuel, but I think it’s notable if he’s posting about it. Edited Wednesday at 05:37 PM by SCBills 1 1 Quote
vtnatefootball11 Posted Wednesday at 05:43 PM Posted Wednesday at 05:43 PM 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: For me, it’s just when Joe B says something, it’s usually based in factual rumblings. I don’t know who would want Samuel, but I think it’s notable if he’s posting about it. Agreed. Maybe the Redskins would want Samuel back? I know it's a different regime but he had production there, and they are especially light at quality WRs, even with McLalurin. 1 Quote
Matt_In_NH Posted Wednesday at 06:07 PM Posted Wednesday at 06:07 PM 49 minutes ago, JP51 said: I mean sure... like are we gonna get someone to take Samuel off our hands... other than that who? Josh Palmer? I am not sure that people are looking to the Bills to tap into their receiver room... I think the players people would look for would be Coleman or Shakir... and I dont see them being moved unless there was a great deal in return... other than that... So, literally if someone is looking to give us a pick for Samuel ... I am in... assuming there is a cap savings. Moore is very reasonable as a trade candidate. Bills take 750K dead cap and the new team gets him for 1.75M. I can easily see that happening. There may be a way to modify Samuel's deal to do a cost sharing thing...those are the two candidates......reality is Moore is easier to trade. Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted Wednesday at 06:20 PM Posted Wednesday at 06:20 PM On 8/19/2025 at 9:02 AM, MikePJ76 said: I just do not think that is happening. If anything they don't believe shavers/hamler/shenualt can get open vs nfl db's i would guess. or They are going to cut samuel or send him to IR. Did we hear anything good or bad about Moore in practice/joint practice last week? I basically missed the game, i had it on, but there was busy family function going on. Think he dropped what looked like WR screen, was that him? Anything else in that game? 1 Quote
hondo in seattle Posted Wednesday at 06:35 PM Posted Wednesday at 06:35 PM 2 hours ago, Logic said: Bills fans seem to have a vision of Moore that doesn't match the reality of his time here so far. All indications are that purely in terms of his camp and preseason contributions, he's been no better than a KJ Hamler or Jalen Virgil type. Very much a roster bubble guy. But because of his name recognition and the tantalizing "he could really BE something if he just gets a good QB!" factor, many act like he's a near roster lock and a playmaker that other teams would want to trade for. I don't see it. I think Moore is more likely to be cut than rostered at this point, and I don't think he'd fetch a penny of trade return. The most I think they could hope for would be a future late round pick swap (something like Moore and a 7th for a 6th in 2027), and even then I'd be surprised. All that said, I still think Gabe Davis would improve this WR room. Logic, I agree with most of your posts but am not so sure about your claim that Moore is equivalent to KJ Hamler or Jalen Virgil. Moore has averaged something like 540 yards per season (despite, yes, some lousy QB-ing). He's been good enough that coaches have put him on the field. Seems like a decent, not great, Everybody-Eats kind of guy. Hamler has averaged about 200 yards per season. He's struggled to earn snaps. Virgil has been in the league for 3 years, played one season, and accumulated a whopping 75 yards. I'm not sure if Moore has looked any better in camp than Hamler or Virgil, but he has been more productive in actual games and has the far stronger resume. I think that's why most of us see him higher on the depth chart than Hamler or Virgil and probably a member of the final 53. 1 1 Quote
JerseyBills Posted Wednesday at 06:36 PM Posted Wednesday at 06:36 PM 29 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: Moore is very reasonable as a trade candidate. Bills take 750K dead cap and the new team gets him for 1.75M. I can easily see that happening. There may be a way to modify Samuel's deal to do a cost sharing thing...those are the two candidates......reality is Moore is easier to trade. At best a 7th, doubt they could get that even 1 Quote
BillsShredder83 Posted Wednesday at 06:38 PM Posted Wednesday at 06:38 PM On 8/19/2025 at 9:45 AM, dorquemada said: Also, the Bills just don't have a lot of physical, aggressive guys at the skill positions. We're big on finesse. Davis is a blocking machine and brings a little bit of nastiness that we seem too polite to broker otherwise I was a big criticizer of Gabe, he produced no volume. Put up too many goose eggs. Dropped too many balls. Awful catch%. Involved in what felt like 50+% of Josh INT's. Knee jerk reaction is NFW! Settling in and thinking, he could be a nice PS addition at minimum for emergency. Possibly work his way into that Hollins role. Maybe he can get rid of the yips when hes not being asked to produce at a #2. I hated Hollins as a #2, but began to love him in the limited 4th wr spot, and especially the run specialist snaps. Line him up on 10 run formation plays, ask him to pass block on 9 of em.... 1 play-action or send him on a route outta a heavy formation. Any trust would need to be earned slowly, and be OK with that role 1 1 1 Quote
Logic Posted Wednesday at 06:52 PM Posted Wednesday at 06:52 PM 14 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Logic, I agree with most of your posts but am not so sure about your claim that Moore is equivalent to KJ Hamler or Jalen Virgil. Moore has averaged something like 540 yards per season (despite, yes, some lousy QB-ing). He's been good enough that coaches have put him on the field. Seems like a decent, not great, Everybody-Eats kind of guy. Hamler has averaged about 200 yards per season. He's struggled to earn snaps. Virgil has been in the league for 3 years, played one season, and accumulated a whopping 75 yards. I'm not sure if Moore has looked any better in camp than Hamler or Virgil, but he has been more productive in actual games and has the far stronger resume. I think that's why most of us see him higher on the depth chart than Hamler or Virgil and probably a member of the final 53. Thanks. I enjoy your posts too. The quote of mine you bolded specifically began with the words "purely in terms of camp and preseason contributions". I do not dispute Moore's past production in this league. That said, we saw with Marquz Valdes Scantling that that doesn't necessarily mean anything. Apparently Moore is healthy and running with the 1s as Shakir's de facto slot backup right now. If that continues, his roster spot is probably safer than I give it credit for. But again, my comments were based only on the fact that I have yet to hear of a single big or notable play that Moore has made all training camp or preseason. Purely in terms of what he's done HERE, he seems to be closer to Hamler/Virgil than Coleman/Shavers in terms of noteworthy plays. Quote
Dillenger4 Posted Wednesday at 07:04 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:04 PM Anyone have any news on how the "meeting" with Gabe went? Quote
Mat68 Posted Wednesday at 07:10 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:10 PM 4 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said: Anyone have any news on how the "meeting" with Gabe went? Fake Shefter said he signed 4 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted Wednesday at 07:13 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:13 PM 3 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Fake Shefter said he signed That Bastard... 2 Quote
KentuckyBillsFan Posted Wednesday at 07:14 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:14 PM 8 years in and the WR room is still a mess... but don't dare talk about it! 1 Quote
MarkyMannn Posted Wednesday at 07:40 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:40 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, zow2 said: The way Josh was quoted in the Buffalo News today, glowingly talking about Gabe and their time together.,, it's clear Josh loves the guy. My thought too. What I don't understand when you are Gabe looking at a new contract a couple years ago, why your buddy JA wouldn't at least put some targets your way. Gabe had so many games without even a throw towards him Edited Wednesday at 07:43 PM by MarkyMannn 1 Quote
Mat68 Posted Wednesday at 07:43 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:43 PM 1 minute ago, MarkyMannn said: My thought too. What I don't understand when you are Gabe looking at a new contract a couple years ago, why your buddy JA wouldn't at least put some throw your way. Gabe had so many games without even a throw towards him Looking around wr needy teams where would you want to go? Familiarity and best Qb in the league. One or 2 big games and he has a case for another contract. Quote
thenorthremembers Posted Wednesday at 07:51 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:51 PM 33 minutes ago, KentuckyBillsFan said: 8 years in and the WR room is still a mess... but don't dare talk about it! They've been a top ten passing offense every year since 2020. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Do you want great wideouts or do you want to be in the playoffs every year? They certainly can lose all their games and draft better talent if you want? We could always trade Josh Allen, open up the cap space and get the best free agents every year? Your choice I guess. 1 Quote
RiotAct Posted Wednesday at 08:03 PM Posted Wednesday at 08:03 PM 58 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said: Anyone have any news on how the "meeting" with Gabe went? they hit him in the kneecaps with a tire iron and forced him to play for the league minimum. Quote
sunshynman Posted Wednesday at 08:10 PM Posted Wednesday at 08:10 PM 1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said: Did we hear anything good or bad about Moore in practice/joint practice last week? I basically missed the game, i had it on, but there was busy family function going on. Think he dropped what looked like WR screen, was that him? Anything else in that game? Yes, he dropped the screen, it was a little low. And he would probably have been blown up. The rest of the time he was open. I think the only other target he had skipped off the turf about 10 yards in front of him. Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted Wednesday at 08:13 PM Posted Wednesday at 08:13 PM 5 hours ago, SCBills said: He still shows flashes of why we signed him when healthy, but your point is absolutely reality. My guess would be Buffalo sending him on a late round pick swap or something to a team that has cap space and buys into the hope of a healthy Samuel. Might even require us giving up a higher pick in the swap to move him.. but freeing up cap might be worth it to the FO. We’ll see. Washington?? Quote
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