Good Night / Bad Night - Pre-season Game 2

[zow2]

8 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

Maybe the practices with the Bears were good but last night other than Robbins making the team the only other things they could've possibly learned was how bad they are at Safety without Rapp, where was Forrest ?

 

 

As noted by some media,  the scrimmage with Chicago on Friday was the sole preseason game for the starters.  Anyone who was playing in the game last night either needs reps or is a fringe guy they needed to evaluate.  

[Carmel Corn]

41 minutes ago, juno999 said:

Last year, the Bears crushed the Bills in preseason. The Bears ended up firing their coach and sucked. The Bills won the division, Allen got MVP, and they lost to the Chiefs in the playoffs again. Last night says nothing. 

Last night showed me that our safeties (Bishop, Hamlin, etc.) showed no growth or improvement from last year.  They were lost.  Every team in the league will try to exploit this.

[eball]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Cole Bishop - Can't start anywhere else. He was the one likely starter that suited up for the Bills on defense, he played one drive and ended it giving up a touchdown after being lost and late in coverage again. Yes - he ended up on a slot receiver, tough matchup. But this wasn't a guy just out doing him athletically. He was in the wrong position, slow to read it and slow to react before the athleticism even became a factor. And this was not some super complex defensive call either, it looked like pretty vanilla single high with Bishop as the box safety (which is the role he is generally more comfortable in and played more in college). I'm really worried about his coverage struggles. It looks too much for him mentally to me.

 

It was ugly.  I’m really hoping it is just a function of him missing time, being the only starter out there, and “knocking off the rust” as he put it after the game.  It’s not the end of the world if a 2nd round pick is a bust, but it ain’t great either.

 

[MikePJ76]

Just now, frostbitmic said:

I saw Ingram for a play or two in the 4th as you said but I never saw Forrest and maybe that's a good thing. Could Hancock win a starting Safety job by default ?

Can’t see any scenario barring injury where Hancock would play over rapp/hamlin/bishop or Lewis.  
 

he might get into some dime packages during the year if they like where he is at as the season goes on I imagine though.

[BuffaloRebound]

2 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Landon Jackson is really emerging as a multi-year project at this point. The flashes are definitely there, but he's sooooo stiff and poor at setting the edge. 

Agreed.  I actually thought Jackson showed some glimpses last night.  He was getting a good pop on the Tackle on most downs.  If he ever learns how to disengage, you might have a good starter.  

[RunTheBall]

Perfect game for McD. Completely meaningless in terms of the score, but he gets to evaluate guys individually. He also gets to re-focus the team with a little pre-season wake up call. I expect a great week of practice, especially from the marginal guys fighting to make the team.

 

Bishop is a concern but again, he hasn’t practiced in weeks so let’s see where he is after a full week of practice. I do not want to see Hamlin start again. I think Justin Simmons is still out there.

[balln]

3 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

Perfect game for McD. Completely meaningless in terms of the score, but he gets to evaluate guys individually. He also gets to re-focus the team with a little pre-season wake up call. I expect a great week of practice, especially from the marginal guys fighting to make the team.

 

Bishop is a concern but again, he hasn’t practiced in weeks so let’s see where he is after a full week of practice. I do not want to see Hamlin start again. I think Justin Simmons is still out there.

Yea I mean they were playing cover 0. If we all recall. We had Hyde cover guys in 0 and he got beat a lot. The Jax London came sticks out there. The bills almost never play 0.

 

that being said. They drafted a safety in the SECOND round. You would think he could play man to man better when called upon 

Edited Monday at 12:47 PM by balln

[Roundybout]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Agreed.  I actually thought Jackson showed some glimpses last night.  He was getting a good pop on the Tackle on most downs.  If he ever learns how to disengage, you might have a good starter.  

 

He seems to be pretty smart at diagnosing plays. He needs to get more consistent at using those long arms of his to push away traffic. 

 

I really liked the rep where he had a nifty move on Chicago's left tackle and had a free rush at the quarterback (Bagent?). He needed to jump straight up though, he looked like someone hit the "dive" button in Madden. 

[Einstein]

5 minutes ago, juno999 said:

Last year, the Bears crushed the Bills in preseason. The Bears ended up firing their coach and sucked. The Bills won the division, Allen got MVP, and they lost to the Chiefs in the playoffs again. Last night says nothing. 

 

The comparison really isn’t there outside of the score.

 

Last year, we gave up 19 first downs to the Bears. This year? 31!

 

Last year, we gave up 340 yards. This year? 528!

 

Last year, time of possession was almost even. This year? Bears had it for almost 40 minutes!

 

 

[Brandon]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Agreed.  I actually thought Jackson showed some glimpses last night.  He was getting a good pop on the Tackle on most downs.  If he ever learns how to disengage, you might have a good starter.  

 

It's a low bar,  but he was a lot better in this game than the previous one.  Still a long ways to go,  but progress is progress.  

[T master]

I expected a bit more out of many that played last night but didn't get it ! Shavers is the only one that really did anything that stood out and then was still not spectacular .

 

None of the newer WR's showed me anything as far as Moore, Wilkerson, Palmer (not sure if I actually caught any of his play) didn't splash at all, we can only hope that was in part QB play and that Josh will make them better ...

 

Over all not a good night !!!

Edited Monday at 12:56 PM by T master

[North Buffalo]

It is pre-season and a big teachable moment for the young guys and backups... this the NFL not college... glad the Bears schemed against the Bills... knocked the arrogance off in a game that didnt matter... young guys need to learn to study.

[MikePJ76]

20 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

I saw Ingram for a play or two in the 4th as you said but I never saw Forrest and maybe that's a good thing. Could Hancock win a starting Safety job by default ?

I never understood the forrest signing personally and he is a part of a below average to average group of free agents that were brought in to play defense this offseason.  More than likely ogunjobi and forrest get cut.

 

Here is what Joe Buscaglia had to say. 

 

CB Ja’Marcus Ingram, S Darrick Forrest and LB Edefuan Ulofoshio

 

The preseason depth chart was unkind to these three defensive players, who all had hopes of making the 53-man roster this year. Ingram, who made the team in 2024, was clearly behind both Dane Jackson and rookie Dorian Strong, which might mean Ingram is on the wrong side of the bubble at the moment. Some had high hopes for Forrest, but after being passed by the rookie Hancock over the last two weeks, the recently signed Tre Herndon got in Sunday’s game ahead of Forrest. That is a likely ominous sign. Ulofoshio is clearly behind Joe Andreessen on the depth chart, and in his opportunity on the field, missed some tackles and got beaten in coverage. With Shaq Thompson nearing a return from injury, Ulofoshio has his work cut out for him to secure a spot.

[GunnerBill]

59 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Didn’t McD actually LOSE his challenge? 

 

No. He challenged a Bears "catch" and won the challenge it was incomplete

[juno999]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The comparison really isn’t there outside of the score.

 

Last year, we gave up 19 first downs to the Bears. This year? 31!

 

Last year, we gave up 340 yards. This year? 528!

 

Last year, time of possession was almost even. This year? Bears had it for almost 40 minutes!

 

 

I’ll take your word on all these stats. I think Jerry Ostroski summed up the game in the most accurate way. In summary, he said you had 2 teams approaching the game in two different ways. The Bears playing at home trying to change the culture and win the game. The Bills already established team were trying to evaluate their players. Last night’s game was important for some Bills players trying to make the roster. I will say I have some concern at Safety. 
 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No. He challenged a Bears "catch" and won the challenge it was incomplete

 

?  I swear he lost the challenge.  It was ruled a catch.

[MikePJ76]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

 

?  I swear he lost the challenge.  It was ruled a catch.

He won and lost one yesterday.  He won the catch challenge and lost the challenge that tangent, I think it was tangent could advance the ball after fumbling.

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, MikePJ76 said:

He won and lost one yesterday.  He won the catch challenge and lost the challenge that tangent, I think it was tangent could advance the ball after fumbling.

 

Got it.  I turned it off in Q2 so I must've missed the second one.

[Beach]

Good night: Bears

Bad night: Bills

[wjag]

1 hour ago, juno999 said:

Last year, the Bears crushed the Bills in preseason. The Bears ended up firing their coach and sucked. The Bills won the division, Allen got MVP, and they lost to the Chiefs in the playoffs again. Last night says nothing. 

Oh it clearly says something.  Whether you want to draw positive, negative or neutral conclusions is up to the viewers.