Cook signed👀 - 4 / 48 / 30 mil guaranteed

[GerstAusGosheim]

5 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

Shhhhh that's not going to help "the narrative"

Yay for "solid contributors."

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

Just now, Slippery Rubber Mats said:

15.28 fully guaranteed at signing

 30 million partially guaranteed against injury

[DrDawkinstein]

26 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said:

Plus there is no need to draft another rb high next year. McD can ask for another corner or safety now.

 

Or DE or WR. I'd take any of that (including DB) over a 1st round RB.

8 minutes ago, mannc said:

In back-to-back years, the Bills used pick 25 and pick 33 on receivers.

 

7 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

Shhhhh that's not going to help "the narrative"

 

One of those picks isnt the 1st round, and the other isnt listed as a WR.

 

Does anyone think Brian Thomas Jr wouldnt be contributing more than Kincaid and Coleman combined right now?

[HurlyBurly51]

Never a doubt

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/inside-the-james-cook-deal

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1. Signing bonus: $9 million.

2. 2025 base salary: $1.28 million, fully guaranteed.

3. 2026 option bonus: $7.4 million (see below for guarantee details).

4. 2026 workout bonus: $250,000.

5. 2026 base salary: $2.01 million (see below for guarantee details).

6. 2026 per-game roster bonus: $340,000 total.

7. 2027 workout bonus: $250,000.

8. 2027 base salary: $9.13 million, guaranteed for injury at signing; on the fifth day of the 2026league year, $6.22 million becomes fully guaranteed, with the remaining $2.91 million vesting in on the fifth day of the 2027 league year.

9. 2027 per-game roster bonus: $340,000 total.

10. 2028 workout bonus: $250,000.

11. 2028 base salary: $9.681 million, $1.18 million of which is guaranteed for injury.

12. 2028 per-game roster bonus: $340,000 total.

13. 2029 workout bonus: $250,000.

14. 2029 base salary: $10.41 million.

15. 2029 per-game roster bonus: $340,000 total.

For 2026, $5 million is fully guaranteed at signing. Another $4.41 million is guaranteed for injury; it converts to full guarantee in on February 9, 2026.

The contract includes a $1 million escalator for 2028, if any year from 2025 through 2027 he participates in 45 percent of the offensive snaps and the team makes the playoffs.

The contract also includes a $1 million escalator for 2029, if any two years from 2025 through 2028 he participates in 45 percent of the offensive snaps and the team makes the playoffs in those same two seasons.

The new-money average on the four-year extension is $11.5 million per year, with $15.28 million fully guaranteed at signing. By 2026, the full guarantee increases to $25.91 million. The total injury guarantee is $30 million, with $28.82 million fully guranteed by 2027.

From signing, the contract has a value of $10.254 million per year over five years; Cook was due to make $5.271 million in 2025.

 

 

[HurlyBurly51]

48 minutes ago, Búfalo Blanco said:

Holy ****, some of you guys need to lighten up... 

It was obviously made in jest, so who needs to lighten up?🤷‍♂️

[Mat68]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Or DE or WR. I'd take any of that (including DB) over a 1st round RB.

 

 

One of those picks isnt the 1st round, and the other isnt listed as a WR.

 

Does anyone think Brian Thomas Jr wouldnt be contributing more than Kincaid and Coleman combined right now?

 Agreed but he wasnt available when they picked… hard to image who they trade up with Jacksonville moved up 1 spot to secure Thomas as well. 

[mannc]

16 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Or DE or WR. I'd take any of that (including DB) over a 1st round RB.

 

 

One of those picks isnt the 1st round, and the other isnt listed as a WR.

 

Does anyone think Brian Thomas Jr wouldnt be contributing more than Kincaid and Coleman combined right now?

Thomas Jr was off the board when the Bills picked.  

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11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Or DE or WR. I'd take any of that (including DB) over a 1st round RB.

 

 

One of those picks isnt the 1st round, and the other isnt listed as a WR.

 

Does anyone think Brian Thomas Jr wouldnt be contributing more than Kincaid and Coleman combined right now?

Yeah Coleman was about as wrong as a pick gets at this point. I can’t imagine it would’ve taken a kings ransom to jump the Jags for Brian Thomas, the guy many of us had our sights set on. 
Then Worthy seems exactly what this team needs, no no no, KC you take the field stretching burner, I’m sure we won’t regret that in the AFC Championship…

It means Ladd must be our guy, I mean the skill set is a bit similar to Shakir, but I can’t see the problem with having two guys who get consistent separation…

 

Nope, its the guy with sloppy route running and no separation, but he can high point a ball…yay…

 

Don't get me wrong, I love this team, but drafting weapons for Josh has not been exactly Brandon Beane’s forte.

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

The way everyone is talking about Cook being such a great skill player for us, makes you wonder where the hell the rest of the playmakers are.  Noone thinks we have any playmakers on offense besides Josh and James.  And to be honest maybe Ty Johnson is #3 as a playmaker.  I think Shakir is pretty dam good as well.  

 

But something is wrong with our WR's and TE's if none are considered big time playmakers.  Look at Coleman.  Seriously, is he any better or as good as Kristian Wilkerson or Tyrell Shavers?  We really need some WR's and TE's to step up and make a difference to get this team to the next level.  Lets hope it happens.

Pretty sure Keon was #2 in the NfL last season in yards per reception.  Palmer was 15th in the same stat.  I would regard both players as fine playmakers, maybe not “big time”.  They just aren’t consistent in their production….which is fine, especially for a team that spreads the ball out so much.  Shakir is a big time playmaker imo, albeit for a slot/gadget guy that makes most of his living after the catch.  Samuel is a solid playmaker as well, when healthy.  We’ll see about Moore, jury still out.  
 

our TE and RB room are both solid in terms of playmakers as well.  
 

lacking in having one “go to guy”…. Whom we had (diggs) but decided to move on from because they didn’t want to run an offense focused on one guy (especially a guy that had chances to, but didn’t deliver in season ending losses).  

20 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Or DE or WR. I'd take any of that (including DB) over a 1st round RB.

 

 

One of those picks isnt the 1st round, and the other isnt listed as a WR.

 

Does anyone think Brian Thomas Jr wouldnt be contributing more than Kincaid and Coleman combined right now?

I think Kincaid + Coleman stats in 2025 > what BTj’s stats would be in Buffalo but who knows 

[MJS]

48 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said:

Plus there is no need to draft another rb high next year. McD can ask for another corner or safety now.

 

45 minutes ago, Gregg said:

It seems like this is said every year but at some point I would hope they value WR and go get one in the 1st round. What we have now isn't bad but it isn't great either. Imagine if Josh had someone like Garrett Wilson to throw to. 

We'll see what they need after this year. Could be WR or could be something else.

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, mannc said:

Thomas Jr was off the board when the Bills picked.  

 

I thought he’d be great, but you need a trade partner go get up there and get him. There is no guarantee that you will have any takers on draft day. 

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7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

I think Kincaid + Coleman stats in 2025 > what BTj’s stats would be in Buffalo but who knows 

Beane would trade Kincaid and Coleman for BTJ faster than you can say Orenthal James Simpson. 

Edited August 13 by Delete_Delete_Delete

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

 Agreed but he wasnt available when they picked… hard to image who they trade up with Jacksonville moved up 1 spot to secure Thomas as well. 

 

But we could at least start by packaging those 2 picks. Which in fairness means we're looking at the WRs in the 2023 draft, not BTJ and 2024.

 

So 2023 #25 and our 2024 1st (which was #28).

 

Maybe we couldve moved up and got Zay Flowers or Jaxon Smith-Njigba.

10 minutes ago, mannc said:

Thomas Jr was off the board when the Bills picked.  

 

I realize this. My point was packaging (at least) 2 picks to move up to get him. Would have been worth trading both those 1sts to get him imo, compared to what we ended up with.

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I think Kincaid + Coleman stats in 2025 > what BTj’s stats would be in Buffalo but who knows 

 

Maybe, but BTJ has impressed on the crappy Jags with Lawrence throwing to him. Sky is the limit in Buffalo compared to that. Either way, just sayin...

[Alphadawg7]

33 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Or DE or WR. I'd take any of that (including DB) over a 1st round RB.

 

 

One of those picks isnt the 1st round, and the other isnt listed as a WR.

 

Does anyone think Brian Thomas Jr wouldnt be contributing more than Kincaid and Coleman combined right now?

 

One - Keon wasn't a first round pick because of a technicality we moved back 1 spot when Beane already said he was going to take Keon if no, even so it was still our first pick in the draft that we used on a pass catching weapon. 

 

Second - I love BTJ, wanted him in the draft too as I thought he was more realistic than Odunze wasn't - BUT...BTJ was not on the board when we picked so doesn't matter.

 

Third - Kincaid was drafted be a receiving threat, his designation on paper is irrelevant, we used that first round pick on a pass catching weapon. 

 

Fourth - 3 of the last 6 drafts we used our first pick on a receiving weapon for Allen (Diggs, Kincaid, Keon).  

 

Fifth - 4 of our 6 picks in the first 2 rounds for 3 consecutive drafts prior to this year were offensive picks, including Cook who has become a major weapon for us we just extended.  All of which are key starters for this offense heading into this season.

Edited August 13 by Alphadawg7

[ALLinALLEN]

Mike Schopp hates it so I love it 

[TheBrownBear]

I thought Coleman was having a great camp?  Has something changed?

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

One - Keon wasn't a first round pick because of a technicality we moved back 1 spot when Beane already said he was going to take Keon if no, even so it was still our first pick in the draft that we used on a pass catching weapon. 

 

Second - I love BTJ, wanted him in the draft too as I thought he was more realistic and Odunze wasn't - BUT...BTJ was not on the board when we picked.  So bringing him up when he wasn't an option really makes no sense.

 

Third - Kincaid was drafted be a receiving threat, his designation on paper is irrelevant, we used that first round pick on a pass catching weapon. 

 

Fourth - 3 of the last 6 drafts we used our first pick on a receiving weapon for Allen (Diggs, Kincaid, Keon).  

 

Fifth - 4 of our 6 picks in the first 2 rounds for 3 consecutive drafts prior to this year were offensive picks, including Cook who has become a major weapon for us we just extended.  All of which are key starters for this offense heading into this season.

 

I'm totally with you on points 4 and 5. It isnt for lack of trying to get Josh weapons. We just cant seem to get the right ones.

 

My abstract point was, using hindsight, packaging our 2 1sts to trade UP for a WR would have been better than what we got. And also keeping in mind we traded UP for Kincaid.

 

Even though it's hindsight, it still supports a lot of posters who were banging the table for a LEGIT WR like BTJ. Not a TE turned WR, and not a basketball player turned WR.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said:

I thought Coleman was having a great camp?  Has something changed?

 

No, but we cant bash Cook anymore since he re-signed, so we've moved on to the next whipping boy.

[Bockeye]

4 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Unreliable hands.  

Part of it is blocking/size.  I’d like to see him get the ball in space more on first and second downs. 

Not sure how reliable Stat Muse is, but here are career Pass Catch %’s:

Saquan Barkley 73%

James Cook: 78%

Christian McCafferey: 80%

 

[folz]

7 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

His brother only had 75 rushing attempts after his age 27 season

 

In his first seven years (college and pro), Dalvin Cook had 1,693 touches.

In his first seven years (college and pro), James Cook has 927 touches.

 

[At Jimbo's rate over his first 7 seasons (927 touches divided by 7), he averaged 132 touches per year. With Dalvin's 1,693 touches at Jimbo's 132 touches per year, that would equal 5.8 more seasons of touches for Dalvin, at Cook's rate...or almost 13 years worth of touches (rather than 7) at James' touch count.]

 

In year two and three in the pros, James Cook averaged 260 touches/season.

In years three to six in the pros, Dalvin Cook was averaging 314 touches/season

(Didn't include rookie years because they both started off a bit slow/not representative of the rest of their careers)

 

Plus, with Davis and Johnson sharing the backfield, the Bills never have to overwork Jimbo. Whereas Dalvin was always the main workhorse in his backfield. And the Bills are pretty smart about taking care of their players (not overworking, especially the vets or players coming back from injuries), so there is a good chance that James won't fall off a cliff at 27 like his brother did.

 

 

Very happy for this signing. Yes, his blitz pickup isn't the best/he doesn't play every down (because we have guys with better skillsets for that), but I don't think you can underestimate a guy who can hit home runs. Sure his batting average might be lower than your lead off hitter, but when he crushes that 3-run homer in the 8th inning of a playoff game, you know why you have him and why the team is paying him what they are.

 

Go Bills!