Preseason Week 1 Giants at Bills - Game thread

[RunTheBall]

3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Agree with every single one of these except the last one.  For the first time maybe ever I liked Hamlin’s game.

It’s just one pre season game so my pronouncement may have been a little premature

 

I based that on the horrendous angle he took on the Giants receiver who had huge YAC because Hamlin took the wrong angle and then got blown by. When Dane Jackson got torched on the TD, Damar looked like he had cement in his shoes as he jogged to the sideline watching that sweet TD toss by Dart. IDK what his responsibility was on that play but he wasn’t close to providing help.

 

He did have some good run fits though

 

[Sojourner]

2 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

Here's an example, right before the end of the half he starts talking about how the Bills will probably kneel it out because of their injuries and, without even pausing he pivots mid sentence to talking about how it's good to challenge yourself and try to score when he sees the Bills arent going to kneel. It was ridiculous.

lol so he was wrong then shifted to reasoning why he was wrong and explained the reasoning he feels they’re doing what they did?

 

Yikes. Talk about jumping at shadows man. 

[RunTheBall]

Tasker kinda sucks but I don’t care, I love that guy. For all he did for us he can mash marbles in his mouth as much as they will let him, all the more power to him. Kinda like when we first signed Tre back and everyone was like “He’s WASHED” and I said I don’t give a sht if the man is on one leg I’d make a roster spot for him. Not the smartest way to field a team but I like being able to root for guys who I love and think represent Buffalo. Just so happens Tre isn’t washed and will be a solid #2 until Hairston is ready. Steve can smoke stogies and screw up analysis for the next 10 years, I don’t care.

 

Edited Sunday at 04:28 AM by RunTheBall

[Sierra Foothills]

1 minute ago, RunTheBall said:

Tasker kinda sucks but I don’t care, I love that guy. For all he did for us he can mash marbles in his mouth as much as they will let him, all the more power to him. Kinda like when we first signed Tre back and everyone was like “He’s WASHED” and I said I don’t give a sht if the man is on one leg I’d make a roster spot for him. Not the smartest way to field a team but I like being able to root for guys who I love and thing represent Buffalo. Just so happens Tre isn’t washed and will be a solid #2 until Hairston is ready. Steve can smoke stogies and screw up analysis for the next 10 years, I don’t care.

 

 

While I don't agree with you on Tasker, you explained it in a way I can understand so thank you.

 

As for Tre White, I agree wholeheartedly. On a day where many are down and doubtful about him, I'm with you in believing that he'll play well for the team this year. I'm pretty convinced of this and have thought so since he re-signed.

 

[nedboy7]

I’m ready to fire the entire staff and owner.  Possibly fan base.  Start over.  

[That's No Moon]

1 hour ago, Sojourner said:

lol so he was wrong then shifted to reasoning why he was wrong and explained the reasoning he feels they’re doing what they did?

 

Yikes. Talk about jumping at shadows man. 

I'm not going to get it verbatim and I'm not pulling up the recording but it was like this:

 

With 26 seconds left the Bills are going to kneel this out and that the right call with all the injuries they've faced during camp. It's good to put yourself in situations where you can challenge yourself. Make it tough on yourself. Try to score even though you don't have to here in the pre-season.

 

No segue, not a correction, not even a pause, just right on moving in the stream of consciousness coming out of his mouth like it was one long bi-polar thought. There wasn't reasoning why he was wrong, he just kept talking like he never said the first thing at all.

 

Can this be done well?  Sure.  There are plenty of words in the English language that would have stitched this together well but he didn't use any of them.  I'm sure it doesn't bother a lot of people.  That's fine.  For me he doesn't bring anything to the broadcast and after a quarter or two of listening to him ramble and talk BS I turned him off and just watched instead.  

[twoandfourteen]

11 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

It's always something.  2 years here, 3 years there,and during that time Allen gets older.

 

Superman turns 30 in May. 

 

McDermott and Beane have 3 seasons or so left with this kid in his prime. 

 

[nucci]

10 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Having been at the game today, the refs are clearly working the rust off. Absolutely horrible and repeatedly confused from start to finish. Geeez

you think they'll get better?

[Chandler#81]

5 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

Tasker kinda sucks but I don’t care, I love that guy. For all he did for us he can mash marbles in his mouth as much as they will let him, all the more power to him. Kinda like when we first signed Tre back and everyone was like “He’s WASHED” and I said I don’t give a sht if the man is on one leg I’d make a roster spot for him. Not the smartest way to field a team but I like being able to root for guys who I love and think represent Buffalo. Just so happens Tre isn’t washed and will be a solid #2 until Hairston is ready. Steve can smoke stogies and screw up analysis for the next 10 years, I don’t care.

 

Yeah, Steve ISN’T glib. Struggles mightily to be quick and to the point. Seems he doesn’t prepare well with goto responses. But I love him. He gets a pass I wouldn’t give most reporters.

[Sierra Foothills]

5 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

I'm not going to get it verbatim and I'm not pulling up the recording but it was like this:

 

With 26 seconds left the Bills are going to kneel this out and that the right call with all the injuries they've faced during camp. It's good to put yourself in situations where you can challenge yourself. Make it tough on yourself. Try to score even though you don't have to here in the pre-season.

 

No segue, not a correction, not even a pause, just right on moving in the stream of consciousness coming out of his mouth like it was one long bi-polar thought. There wasn't reasoning why he was wrong, he just kept talking like he never said the first thing at all.

 

Can this be done well?  Sure.  There are plenty of words in the English language that would have stitched this together well but he didn't use any of them.  I'm sure it doesn't bother a lot of people.  That's fine.  For me he doesn't bring anything to the broadcast and after a quarter or two of listening to him ramble and talk BS I turned him off and just watched instead.  

 

I would describe Tasker's ramblings as "Crimes against the English language."

 

His futile attempt to wax nostalgic about the stadium was also painful to listen to. Even a team player like Catalano couldn't mitigate the verbal fumbling.

 

[RichRiderBills]

I don't think we're going to be able to stash Gore Jr on the practice squad. 

 

We should discuss scenarios where the bills keep four running backs going into this season. 

 

 

[stevewin]

11 hours ago, Sojourner said:

One of the worst moments was that screen pass to his side. Very bad awareness and not exactly the best effort to tackle the RB either. 

Agree - of all his bad moments that was the worst imo, just jogging after the RB after he ran past - at least show some desire to recover after the initial fail. That was a lack of effort at the end, wouldn't expect that from a high round (high motor?)  rookie trying to establish himself in his first live game

 

At least I think the game should be a big wake up call for him

Edited Sunday at 11:54 AM by stevewin

[Ralonzo]

26 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

I don't think we're going to be able to stash Gore Jr on the practice squad. 

 

We should discuss scenarios where the bills keep four running backs going into this season. 

 

The scenario where the Bills cannibalize from the LB position, as it looks like they are aiming for.

 

Then it comes down to using the spot for a 4th RB who isn't a key ST player or a 6th WR in Shavers who projects as a top gunner and a Mack Hollins role on offense. Gore looked good but has nowhere near the value to the roster as Shavers.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

From someone who hasn't waded through the pages of this thread, any instances of 'Daboll Unhinged' yesterday?  Not so much his decisions, just curious about his temperament. 😁

[Maine-iac]

12 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Soft coverages are the trade mark of all McDermott defenses and that of his DCs, it reached its peak with Frazier, and has not relinquished its grip to this very day…, lol, so Billsey, 

 

Warning this turned into a rant.  I did feel better after writing this.  It might happen again in the future based off our secondary play.

 

Might I add, it kills the pass rush.  If you get someone to 3rd and 9 and you know they have to pass your Dline can pin it's ears back and go after the QB.  Then you play everyone so soft that the QB has an easy out to the RB who is essentially uncovered or with one guy there at best and he runs easily runs for the first down.  I think the RB's had well over 10 catches against us and well over 100 yards receiving not to mention a walk in TD.  Also how are we so bad at jump balls.  We seemingly give up a hail mary a season.  Arizona and the Jets for example.  A few years ago vs the Vikings and last year vs the Chiefs (playoffs).  For as long as I've somewhat lamented the pass rush the coverage has let us down at key times and more recently all the time.  It is probably top of my list as far as things that need to be fixed.  Tighten up the coverage.  No more easy short throws.  Figure out a way to not lose more jump balls than you win.  Give the pass rush some coverage so they can get to the QB.  When McD came here defense got us to the playoffs and defense was the staple.  Am I missing something?  Where the hell did that go?

[SCBills]

There’s a lot of merit to coverage scheme being part of the reason our pass rush doesn’t show up in big games. 
 

We’ve also never really had two legit corners at the same time. 
 

Which is why it was really concerning to see the way Tre played opposite Benford.   Constant cushions, with one of them being absurd… Tre giving Robinson like 20 yards.  Bengals playoff vibes. 
 

So was it vanilla coverage by design, or is Tre not capable to playing tight on quick/fast receivers?

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, Ralonzo said:

 

The scenario where the Bills cannibalize from the LB position, as it looks like they are aiming for.

 

Then it comes down to using the spot for a 4th RB who isn't a key ST player or a 6th WR in Shavers who projects as a top gunner and a Mack Hollins role on offense. Gore looked good but has nowhere near the value to the roster as Shavers.

He had his shot there yesterday from what I could tell from a distance in the stadium.  He was a gunner on the first punt, and I believe a personal protector at one point as well.  

[SCBills]

Hearing a TON of Jordan Hancock praise from film guys after the game yesterday.  
 

He’s a sneaky huge part of this Defense if the real deal because after Rapp/Bishop at Safety and Taron at NCB, the drop off in depth is steep.   He would drastically raise the ceiling at one, or both of those positions, depending on how much they want to put on his plate this year. 

[LEBills]

13 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Hearing a TON of Jordan Hancock praise from film guys after the game yesterday.  
 

He’s a sneaky huge part of this Defense if the real deal because after Rapp/Bishop at Safety and Taron at NCB, the drop off in depth is steep.   He would drastically raise the ceiling at one, or both of those positions, depending on how much they want to put on his plate this year. 

He looked really good at Safety. Could see him starting at safety due to an injury this year and not giving the job back.

[Maine-iac]

43 minutes ago, SCBills said:

There’s a lot of merit to coverage scheme being part of the reason our pass rush doesn’t show up in big games. 
 

We’ve also never really had two legit corners at the same time. 
 

Which is why it was really concerning to see the way Tre played opposite Benford.   Constant cushions, with one of them being absurd… Tre giving Robinson like 20 yards.  Bengals playoff vibes. 
 

So was it vanilla coverage by design, or is Tre not capable to playing tight on quick/fast receivers?

I'm not all the way down on Tre yet.  I'm not completely anti bend but don't break but you have to be able to make stops over the course of the game.  I think Dane came in for Tre after two drives and the Giants only had 3 points and had punted the last drive.  Near as I can tell the chunk plays stated after that.  I think at his age and physical abilities Tre has to play a bit of chess.  Tre might not have been lock down but I at least had the feeling that if you threw at him enough he'd jump one eventually.  He was keeping things in front of him and I trust his thought process enough to feel like he might give up a few but he'd got one at some point.  This is all just my opinion but I felt like Tre had it under control and Dane didn't.  

Edited Sunday at 02:05 PM by Maine-iac