WGR Discussing McD's job security

[Royale with Cheese]

I think McDermott knows this and why he hired all those extra Defensive assistants.  He can’t figure out KC’s offense so he’s getting people who he thinks can.

[T.E.]

29 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

It's not easy to make it to the Super Bowl, and even harder to win it.  

Why would anyone with a lick of sense entertain the idea of dismissing the most successful coach (winning percentage) in team history?

 

 

This is a franchise with zero Super Bowl victories and an all-time winning percentage that's under 0.500. Being the hottest chick at fat camp doesn't necessarily make you hot.

[khlax3]

Bold predictions:

 

McDermott will be a Buffalo bill longer than Josh Allen 

 

McDermott is the last coach Bills coach Terry Pegula will hire 

[HOUSE]

Haven't listened to that show in 15 years.I  can't believe you people are this bored. 

Geeez, get a life

[BillsVet]

2025 is a referendum on this GM/HC combination playing this style. Because no real NFL team with a top QB can go 6 seasons missing the SB since said QB showed he’s the real deal. 

 

McD and Beane are on track for the Hall of Very Good if they continue on that path. 
 

But Terry likely doesn’t fire either. 

 

 

[RiotAct]

21 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Two is fair.

 

You might argue the divisional game against the Chiefs was winnable if Diggs gets that big catch but honestly the defense was such trash that who knows if it would have mattered.

OR, if Dawkins holds Chris Jones off a little better a couple plays before that and Allen’s able to make a better throw to Shakir in the end zone.

[RoscoeParrish]

19 minutes ago, Logic said:

I'm curious:

How many Bills playoff losses do most Bills fans think the Bills "should have" won?

For me, I think it's two. The 13 seconds game and the 2024 AFCCG.

Every other playoff exit was justified, in my opinion. Meaning I feel the Bills simply weren't as good as the other team and/or didn't "deserve" to win.

But that's at least one, and potentially two Super Bowl appearances right there. Fumbling away one or two Super Bowl opportunities is a serious issue.

Is two the consensus for number of playoff losses the Bills should've won?

The 2023 divisional game.

 

That Chiefs team scored 21 PPG. That was their lowest ranked offense since 2012, when they went 2-14.  They averaged 5.5 yards per play in the regular season.
 

They scored their highest playoff game point total that year, against us, to the tune of 27 points. The same point total they scored against the eventual 4-13 Pats that season.

 

They averaged 9 yards per play.

 

And the Bills won the TO battle.
 

And still lost.

[LEBills]

On a tangentially related note, I have a fantasy football YouTube channel that I thought was really smart and informative. Very data driven and something I weigh heavily during my drafts. Then all the sudden they drop a new episode and I start watching and the voice of the guest is familiar. It was Mike Schopp!! I was horrified, what had I done to my fantasy teams.
 

It was like buying an expensive painting, showing it to polite company, and then having a 6 year old blurt out it is just a banana taped to a wall. 
 

Anyway, McDermott won’t be fired unless a second 13 seconds happens imo.

Edited Friday at 06:25 PM by LEBills

[That's No Moon]

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I think McDermott knows this and why he hired all those extra Defensive assistants.  He can’t figure out KC’s offense so he’s getting people who he thinks can.

It's not that he can't figure out the offense, it's that Andy Reid knows this defense better than McDermott does and he gets in his bag.  

 

It's crazy to say, but they'd be better off having someone call the defense who has never called it before when they play the Chiefs.  Not a guy off the street, a coach on staff who knows the scheme and the players but who hasn't called the defenses. There's no book on them.  Do something different, break our own tendencies in a massive way.  It really can't be much worse than it has been.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

The 2023 divisional game.

 

That Chiefs team scored 21 PPG. That was their lowest ranked offense since 2012, when they went 2-14.  They averaged 5.5 yards per play in the regular season.
 

They scored their highest playoff game point total that year, against us, to the tune of 27 points. The same point total they scored against the eventual 4-13 Pats that season.

 

They averaged 9 yards per play.

 

And the Bills won the TO battle.
 

And still lost.

 

I think the DL got too much flack in that game.  Mahomes got the ball out quickly because he knew where to go with it pre-snap.

It was pitch and catch all game.

[Mikie2times]

12 minutes ago, khlax3 said:

Every time one of these threads pops up its is so stupid. HE IS NOT GOING TO BE FIRED. Not happening

Just some of the reasons:

-The bills have had their most successful run in 30 years. 

-The culture he established

-Players trust and like him

-He has a good relationship with the coach/GM

-who could you hire that is proven they are better. 
 

Firing McDermott would be like the eagles firing Andy Reid. 
 

McDermott = Mike Tomlin as long as he wins consistently and doesn’t lose the locker room he will be the coach of the bills

 

 

So if McD isn't here we can go to 3 Super Bowls in 12 years?

 

Sign me up. Which is sort of the point of this entire conversation. This is about different, better isn't even part of the conversation. Even in the case of what most consider to be an all time HC in Andy Reid, different resulted in a Super Bowl. Sometimes you just have to move on from leadership roles. Plenty of Championship teams have come to this realization. I'm pretty sure Josh will keep the floor at a Wild Card. If so, what is the massive risk here? He's had a great run. If he can't get over the hump you need to eventually consider other options.  

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, ddaryl said:

If Kevin Adams can still be employed by the Sabres then the only way McD gets fired is if he did something too embarassing that the Franchise could not ignore

He already did

[That's No Moon]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

So if McD isn't here we can go to 3 Super Bowls in 12 years?

 

Sign me up. Which is sort of the point of this entire conversation. This is about different, better isn't even part of the conversation. Even in the case of what most consider to be an all time HC in Andy Reid, different resulted in a Super Bowl. Sometimes you just have to move on from leadership roles. Plenty of Championship teams have come to this realization. I'm pretty sure Josh will keep the floor at a Wild Card. If so, what is the massive risk here? He's had a great run. If he can't get over the hump you need to eventually consider other options.  

It's weird but McD's career here reminds me a lot of young Andy Reid in Philly.  Great teams, came up short year after year in the playoffs and Reid took a lot of flack for it and eventually got fired.  The Eagles did win some Super Bowls but it took awhile post Reid and Reid obviously did too but it took awhile post Eagles.

 

He makes me crazy sometimes, but I think we need to ride it out.  If you say fire him I need to know who your hire is.  It can't be we will see who is out there. Lord Terrence will foul that up.  There needs to be a dead lock hire out there to get.  Right now there is only one dead-lock hire that is both gettable and an upgrade from what we have and that, ladies and gentleman, is the Dark Lord himself.

[BuffaloBillyG]

4 minutes ago, That's No Moon said:

It's not that he can't figure out the offense, it's that Andy Reid knows this defense better than McDermott does and he gets in his bag.  

 

It's crazy to say, but they'd be better off having someone call the defense who has never called it before when they play the Chiefs.  Not a guy off the street, a coach on staff who knows the scheme and the players but who hasn't called the defenses. There's no book on them.  Do something different, break our own tendencies in a massive way.  It really can't be much worse than it has been.

They did. His name is Bobby Babich. Bills still lost by 3.

 

Aside from 2 seasons ago when he was HC/DC and a few rare instances where he took over play calling from Frasier during a game McD hasn't been the one calling the defense.

[Logic]

11 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

The 2023 divisional game.

 

That Chiefs team scored 21 PPG. That was their lowest ranked offense since 2012, when they went 2-14.  They averaged 5.5 yards per play in the regular season.
 

They scored their highest playoff game point total that year, against us, to the tune of 27 points. The same point total they scored against the eventual 4-13 Pats that season.

 

They averaged 9 yards per play.

 

And the Bills won the TO battle.
 

And still lost.

Thanks for those numbers.

If there's a third "should've won" game, that's definitely it.

So either 2 or 3 games the Bills probably should have won. 2 or 3 times they may have made it to the Super Bowl.

If you asked even the most ardent Josh Allen hater how many Lombardis he'd have on his resume if he'd been to 3 Super Bowls, I bet even the harshest critics would say "at least one".

[Walking Tall]

A 5th loss to the Chiefs in the playoffs should do it.

 

I’m hoping that doesn’t happen.

[PonyBoy]

2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I have it on very good authority,  that McDermott is absolutely loved by Terry Pegula He isn't going anywhere.

 

Not as much as he loves Kevin Adams! 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

Was listening to WGR yesterday and someone called into ask what Schoop and Bulldog would need to see happen for McD to get fired after this season.  There answer and reasoning honestly surprised me, and also seemed like a course correction from prior years from them.

 

They both stated that the Bills switching to the new stadium next year should prevent McD from being fired under most circumstances, even missing the playoffs.  They both stated that a catastrophic PR issue or the entire team falling off a cliff could change things, but that's about it.

 

I know we have a thread about McD every year,  and even I've been thinking about this more since last years playoff exit.  To me, if we get knocked out of the playoffs again and the defense is the main reason why (giving up 25+ points again), then I think it's time to move on from McD.  I'm not a McD hater by any means.  I will always be grateful for the culture he's brought to this team and the winning we've since pulling us from the drought.  However, if our D (his specialty) fails us again, then I feel very confident to say that McD has taken us as far as he can as a coach.  It doesn't mean he's a bad coach, just means he's not a Superbowl caliber coach.  I know McD would get hired almost immediately by another team that is looking to recreate the Buffalo success and we would be taking a chance on anyone else.  But I also believe we would have our choice of HC candidates.  

 

I guess I'm just at the point where these playoffs losses haven't been talent related so much as they've been outcoached and outschemed.  We put so much focus on the defensive roster over the years, especially this year, that it's time to put up or shut up.  If not, then we are just defining insanity by running it back.

I too thought the Bills should have fired McDermott after 13 seconds but now that I’ve pondered everything and after seeing how bad Pegula really is watching him destroy the Sabres organization literally before my eyes I don’t think he should fire anyone on the Bills, not Beane or McDermott that’s for sure because he 100% lucked into them and after his first choice of Rex Ryan I could see a giant disaster waiting to happen. 

[billsfan89]

I think 2024 massively overachieving relative to expectations puts him on a 2 year window where his job is safe through next season. But I think that if playoff failures mount the Bills org will probably have the tough conversation after next season if they might just need a new voice in the locker room to get them over the hump? 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Bottom Line:

 

Terry's happy there's a new stadium and the seats are full every week.

 

For those reasons and those reasons alone, we'll never be alleviated of the albatross called Sean McDermott.