Report: Micah Parsons requests a trade

[BillsShredder83]

13 hours ago, Mango said:

 

It's a cost issue, when you pay the QB the QB is required to fill the holes in the cost gap. Similar to say KC or NE.

 

The problem is, and continues to be, we've really struggled to hit on enough of our defensive picks. We continue to redraft roles over and over and over and over again. Basham, AJE, Oliver, Rousseau, Phillips,Carter, Sanders, Jackson, Elam, Hairston.

 

You can even add Davis, Moss, Cook, Knox and Kincaid to the list.

 

Those are all the top 100 picks we've had to draft and redraft because they've under performed. Everytime we have to go back to the well to redraft another top 100 pick at the same exact position means we also lose on addressing another issue on the roster.

 

I like McBeane, but this issue is enemy number one for this roster getting over the hump.

If you suck at drafting/scouting/developing a position, doesnt it make sense to make that position a priority via FA or trade?  Everyone complaining about Parsons/McLaurin/Hendrickson cost, when in reality, not only would we get a bonafide SuperStar, but we could stop spinning our wheel at DL or WR.

 

I know we havent drafted a ton of WR's, but we've certainly spent enough bargain bin $$ failing to address the position meaningfully.  As for DL, it feels like we've unsuccessfully used two-thirds of our picks on that unit with not much to show.  I am a huge Beane fan, but damn this eats me up.... we're not getting enough out of the position, we're spending resources heavily.  Time to get out of purgatory, get the elite production we need, and it's a one time investment instead of recurring.

[BillsShredder83]

12 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

Have the Bills placed a call I would say it’s likely. Has it gone beyond that I doubt it. 
 

This just reeks of Myles Garrett who wanted to be traded so badly until he got the money he felt he deserved. I assume Dallas and Parsons will figure something out. Jones has done this with all his top players. 
 

If, for whatever reason he does get moved at least the Bills are A. In the AFC and B. Have a good trading relationship with the Cowboys based on history. 
 

The Bills would probably have to give up the Khalil Mack deal plus inflation. 
 

The Mack deal was: 

 

Bears received:

Mack

2nd Rounder

Conditional 5th

 

Raiders received:

1st round pick

1st round pick

3rd round pick

6th round pick

 

I’m thinking 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 4th for Parsons, a 3rd, and a 5th makes sense based on the similarities of the Mack deal plus inflation 

 

 

Anybody remember what kinda shape Mack's contract was in when this deal went down?  Was he needing new deal immediately at trade?  Just wondering how well the parameters match up.  I'm doing this in a heartbeat, especially because one or both of those 1st rd'ers would be 31 or 32.  Heres a guide... our last 6 1st rd selections:

 

1. Hairston

2.Elam

3. Rousseau

4. Ed Oliver

5. Josh Allen / Tremaine Edmunds

 

Aside from Josh, pick any combination of the best two you can come up with.....  which combination are you NOT trading for Parsons.

 

Literally, id trade all 5 guys not named Josh for Parsons.... soooooo what does that tell you about the draft compensation?  Also, EVERY single one of these selections was higher than the picks we'd give up, some of them significantly higher (ed @ 9th, Edmunds @ 17th).

 

Alternative thought experiment: pick two players from any round/year from all of Beane's picks..... theres no combination (maybe one) of cherry-picked players not worth Parsons..... your best two picks is probably what.... Benford/Rousseau would be the best two, and while that would hurt.... I dont know that you could immediately hang up the phone on that offer... im not advocating for that trade, just a thought experiment on the lofty expectations we have out of a Mack type trade.... we're not getting ripped off by any stretch

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Anybody remember what kinda shape Mack's contract was in when this deal went down?  Was he needing new deal immediately at trade?  Just wondering how well the parameters match up.  I'm doing this in a heartbeat, especially because one or both of those 1st rd'ers would be 31 or 32.  Heres a guide... our last 6 1st rd selections:

 

1. Hairston

2.Elam

3. Rousseau

4. Ed Oliver

5. Josh Allen / Tremaine Edmunds

 

Aside from Josh, pick any combination of the best two you can come up with.....  which combination are you NOT trading for Parsons.

 

Literally, id trade all 5 guys not named Josh for Parsons.... soooooo what does that tell you about the draft compensation?  Also, EVERY single one of these selections was higher than the picks we'd give up, some of them significantly higher (ed @ 9th, Edmunds @ 17th).

 

Alternative thought experiment: pick two players from any round/year from all of Beane's picks..... theres no combination (maybe one) of cherry-picked players not worth Parsons..... your best two picks is probably what.... Benford/Rousseau would be the best two, and while that would hurt.... I dont know that you could immediately hang up the phone on that offer... im not advocating for that trade, just a thought experiment on the lofty expectations we have out of a Mack type trade.... we're not getting ripped off by any stretch

I saw a rumor account float AJ Epenesa, Curtis Samuel and 3 1st Round Picks for Micah Parsons.  
 

And honestly, (it won’t happen) but I’d do that. 
 

Parsons, Rousseau and Hoecht would be a monster trio for the foreseeable future.  We’ve already spent a ton of draft capital in surround Ed with DT’s.  Our two outside CB spots are theoretically locked down with Benford/Hairston.  I’m assuming we extend one of McGovern or Torrence which gives us 3 strong pillars of an OL with Josh, Cook long term and Palmer, Shakir and Coleman all long term.  If all goes well, add Kincaid. 
 

So for the next 3 years, if your Beane evaluating this, he’s thinking we will only really need to be addressing IOL, LB, Safety & WR in terms of expiring contracts and question marks.   All positions that high end talent can be found on Day Two. 

[balln]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I saw a rumor account float AJ Epenesa, Curtis Samuel and 3 1st Round Picks for Micah Parsons.  
 

And honestly, (it won’t happen) but I’d do that. 
 

Parsons, Rousseau and Hoecht would be a monster trio for the foreseeable future.  We’ve already spent a ton of draft capital in surround Ed with DT’s.  Our two outside CB spots are theoretically locked down with Benford/Hairston.  I’m assuming we extend one of McGovern or Torrence which gives us 3 strong pillars of an OL with Josh, Cook long term and Palmer, Shakir and Coleman all long term.  If all goes well, add Kincaid. 
 

So for the next 3 years, if your Beane evaluating this, he’s thinking we will only really need to be addressing IOL, LB, Safety & WR in terms of expiring contracts and question marks.   All positions that high end talent can be found on Day Two. 

3 firsts. No chance

[Warriorspikes51]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I saw a rumor account float AJ Epenesa, Curtis Samuel and 3 1st Round Picks for Micah Parsons.  
 

And honestly, (it won’t happen) but I’d do that. 
 

Parsons, Rousseau and Hoecht would be a monster trio for the foreseeable future.  We’ve already spent a ton of draft capital in surround Ed with DT’s.  Our two outside CB spots are theoretically locked down with Benford/Hairston.  I’m assuming we extend one of McGovern or Torrence which gives us 3 strong pillars of an OL with Josh, Cook long term and Palmer, Shakir and Coleman all long term.  If all goes well, add Kincaid. 
 

So for the next 3 years, if your Beane evaluating this, he’s thinking we will only really need to be addressing IOL, LB, Safety & WR in terms of expiring contracts and question marks.   All positions that high end talent can be found on Day Two. 

 

Parsons is not worth 3 1sts

[gonzo1105]

19 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Anybody remember what kinda shape Mack's contract was in when this deal went down?  Was he needing new deal immediately at trade?  Just wondering how well the parameters match up.  I'm doing this in a heartbeat, especially because one or both of those 1st rd'ers would be 31 or 32.  Heres a guide... our last 6 1st rd selections:

 

1. Hairston

2.Elam

3. Rousseau

4. Ed Oliver

5. Josh Allen / Tremaine Edmunds

 

Aside from Josh, pick any combination of the best two you can come up with.....  which combination are you NOT trading for Parsons.

 

Literally, id trade all 5 guys not named Josh for Parsons.... soooooo what does that tell you about the draft compensation?  Also, EVERY single one of these selections was higher than the picks we'd give up, some of them significantly higher (ed @ 9th, Edmunds @ 17th).

 

Alternative thought experiment: pick two players from any round/year from all of Beane's picks..... theres no combination (maybe one) of cherry-picked players not worth Parsons..... your best two picks is probably what.... Benford/Rousseau would be the best two, and while that would hurt.... I dont know that you could immediately hang up the phone on that offer... im not advocating for that trade, just a thought experiment on the lofty expectations we have out of a Mack type trade.... we're not getting ripped off by any stretch

 

Mack was on the last year of his rookie deal when he was traded to the Bears and the Bears gave him the new 6 year 140 ish million dollar contract 

[Mat68]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Parsons is not worth 3 1sts

Everyone complaining about Beanes ability to draft should be happy.  In 8 years found Allen.  Picking end of rd 1 is tough to find impact players.  I would do that package with a future day 3 and 2nd rder in 26 or 27 back with Micah.

[SCBills]

Just now, balln said:

3 firsts. No chance

Yea, it wont happen.. but I’d do it. 
 

More than happy to move two vet contracts off the books to make room this year and part ways with three years of picks in the 28-32 range for Parsons. 
 

Beane has this roster pretty well stacked absent that elite player to go with Allen.  
 

Would give us Parsons, Rousseau, Hoecht, Oliver, Sanders, Bernard, Benford, Hairston, Dawkins, Brown, Torrence(?), Cook, Keon, Shakir, Palmer and potentially Kincaid(?) as his second window supporting cast.  
 

In that build, I just don’t see where we’re down bad giving up the next 3 years of RD1 Picks. 
 

Unless Keon or Palmer are busts, every other position we would be needing to address in the next 3 years can be found at a high level on Day Two. (LB, IOL, S)

[Nester]

i would do 2 firsts + Bodies. 

 

We will pick around #32 anyway. We have low value firsts. 

Beane hits on the 2nd and 3rd round more than the 1st these days. 

 

Lets get this done (or Trey) 

[Dillenger4]

Until we all realize Bosa is back baby!

Rous and Bosa are a killer tandem.

[Warriorspikes51]

19 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

Until we all realize Bosa is back baby!

Rous and Bosa are a killer tandem.

 

if Bosa makes it through week 1 and looks like an impact player....then we can be excited 

[BillsShredder83]

4 hours ago, balln said:

3 firsts. No chance

I'll listen if some of them are pick swaps. 3 firsts --- we get back 2nd & 3rd, type deal.  Its ~ a half round trade-down (end of 1st & mid 2nd)

[syhuang]

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

29 minutes ago, syhuang said:

 

 

Sounds like Jones tried to circumvent the agent and negotiated with Micah directly.  Probably got Parsons to agree to a deal that strongly benefits the Cowboys. I'd tell him to shove it too. 

[Mango]

19 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

You are still missing that the Chiefs have targeted the WR position much more than the Bills in the draft. The Bills choose to try, and sometimes fail, drafting defensive positions as a priority. And when they fail, instead of chasing WRs, they go first round CB, again. That’s a clear underprioritization of WR. 

 

You are also missing that Josh Allen had pretty small cap hits for the past 5 years. Heck, our GM felt very comfortable paying Diggs massive through 2026 with his extension that we ate a ton of dead money to get out of. Now, it’s a money issue? I don’t buy it.

 

I think you're arguing something different than what I mean.

 

I'm not saying that we shouldn't get or target better wide receivers. Nor am I saying that Beane has done enough there.

 

I'm saying there's a lot of moving parts and part of what holds us back against KC/making it to the SB is that we keep having to go back to the well.

 

I will say, that for me, our constant misses/redrafts are a bigger concern for me than myopically looking at the offense or defense. But missing on defense seems to be enemy number one. We've devoted a lot more resources there to make up for it.

 

But because we have the QB, we can help cover that up.

 

I think that's similar to KC in that they've hit on defense much better than we have but been abysmal at drafting for offensive skill positions high. Mahomes gas covered that up.

 

Yes the have taken more swings and that's ok. I would probably advicate for Beane to do the same...but alas he botches the defensive picks and leans into Allen to close the gap.

 

I don't love our defensive drafts/FA as of late. I wish we spent more draft capital on offense. But imagine this team if they didn't redraft some of those defensive players? Defense is already holding this team back. We'd have lost to Baltimore on the road in the WC,rather than KC in the AFCCG.

 

Regarding Allen's deal, he's played 7 seasons. 4 of which were a rookie deal and one is his 5th year option. He's had a couple seasons as a top 5/10 cap hit QB. And those are the years we should be spending less on WR. That doesn't mean we've done enough each and every year either.

 

 

9 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

If you suck at drafting/scouting/developing a position, doesnt it make sense to make that position a priority via FA or trade?  Everyone complaining about Parsons/McLaurin/Hendrickson cost, when in reality, not only would we get a bonafide SuperStar, but we could stop spinning our wheel at DL or WR.

 

I know we havent drafted a ton of WR's, but we've certainly spent enough bargain bin $$ failing to address the position meaningfully.  As for DL, it feels like we've unsuccessfully used two-thirds of our picks on that unit with not much to show.  I am a huge Beane fan, but damn this eats me up.... we're not getting enough out of the position, we're spending resources heavily.  Time to get out of purgatory, get the elite production we need, and it's a one time investment instead of recurring.

 

I don't disagree with this at all.

 

I will say that I get what this regime is trying to do. But they've failed in execution.

 

All these resources for TE's and we don't really utilize them at a high level. 

 

Constantly chasing receiving backs but we almost never throw the ball to them with frequency. Or dress them in TJ Yeldons case.

 

It is very strange.

[MikePJ76]

 

[RoscoeParrish]

42 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I think that's similar to KC in that they've hit on defense much better than we have but been abysmal at drafting for offensive skill positions high

I don’t think that’s true.

 

Rashee Rice and Xavier Worthy are probably better/worth more than any first or second round skill position players we have ever taken. But that’s not a long list, because we don’t take them.

 

i wouldn’t call them abysmal, at all. Skyy Moore is no more abysmal than Cody Ford or Boogie Basham. Some guys just don’t work out.

 

I get what you are saying about the Bills deciding to go get another first round corner because their last first round corner sucked. But the Chiefs do that too. Skyy Moore in the second sucked, so they went and drafted Rashee in the second. They had next to no outside guys, so after a pretty good rookie year with Rashee, they went back to the WR well in the 1st.

Teams drafting players because their previously drafted players sucked isn’t a unique Bills thing. 
 

The unique Bills thing is that they basically exclude WR from that process.

 

And as much as I agree, that the Bills needed to restock their defensive cupboard, they can still manage to do both. Did we need to take a 3rd DL in the fourth round instead of a decent WR prospect? Was that going to make or break things? 
 

Who knows. Maybe Walker is the next great IDL. But philosophically, there’s just something off with how they handle the WR position, and imo it’s only gotten worse since Diggs.

[Big Blitz]

10 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

 

 

 

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Sounds like Jones tried to circumvent the agent and negotiated with Micah directly.  Probably got Parsons to agree to a deal that strongly benefits the Cowboys. I'd tell him to shove it too. 

yeah, talking to a represented party directly is really bad form.  

[qwksilver]

Didn't we jump in front of Dallas and take Kincaide? Wasn't he supposed to be cowboy?

So kincaide, Davis a 1st and a 2nd.

Gitter done!