Training camp a rainy July 31 2025 day

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18 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

The Bills love these real tall guys on both lines.  And I think its a disadvantage.  Spencer Brown-way too tall.  Greg Rousseau-way too tall.  AJ Epenesa-too tall.  Wasn't Jason Peters 6'4?  I would not want any lineman over 6'5 period.  And preferably a little shorter.  Remember Jim Ritcher from years back?  He was maybe 6'1 I believe and was a hell of a guard.

 

Being tall comes with long arms, which is a huge advantage at OT, for pass protection. I agree that Brown is way too tall to play OG or OC, but his build is perfect for RT. Jonathan Ogden is an inch taller than Spencer, and he's one of the best to play OT.

[Simon]

24 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

don't mess up your knees going down.

 

must....resist.....

[BillsFanForever19]

One thing I've noticed between going to camp and reading the reports - it seems to me that they're trying to force Keon Coleman to be more physical and deal with physicality better.

 

When I was there and reading what people have been saying for all of the practices I haven't, the DB's seem to be WAY more physical with Keon than anyone else. To the point where it would draw a flag (on Monday for example, Josh made the flag motion on a route drill throw to him). Then the next set of WR's would come up and it would be standard coverage. Then Keon would come up again and again, hands all over him.

 

I don't think this is coincidental. I think the coaches put an edict to make things difficult on him to toughen him up.

Edited Thursday at 11:44 PM by BillsFanForever19

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

One thing I've noticed between going to camp and reading the reports - it seems to me that they're trying to force Keon Coleman to be more physical and deal with physicality better.

 

When I was there and reading what people have been saying, the DB's seem to be WAY more physical with Keon than anyone else. To the point where it would draw a flag (on Monday for example, Josh made the flag motion on a route drill throw to him). Then the next set of WR's would come up and it would be standard coverage. Then Keon would come up again and again, hands all over him.

 

I don't think this is coincidental. I think the coaches put an edict to make things difficult on him to toughen him up.

 

It can’t hurt to show him what the Chiefs will be doing in the playoffs. Let that just feel natural to you, I say. 

[That's No Moon]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

One thing I've noticed between going to camp and reading the reports - it seems to me that they're trying to force Keon Coleman to be more physical and deal with physicality better.

 

When I was there and reading what people have been saying, the DB's seem to be WAY more physical with Keon than anyone else. To the point where it would draw a flag (on Monday for example, Josh made the flag motion on a route drill throw to him). Then the next set of WR's would come up and it would be standard coverage. Then Keon would come up again and again, hands all over him.

 

I don't think this is coincidental. I think the coaches put an edict to make things difficult on him to toughen him up.

They can also afford to be more physical with him because if they whiff he can't run away from them like some other guys can.

[Lost]

12 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

One thing I've noticed between going to camp and reading the reports - it seems to me that they're trying to force Keon Coleman to be more physical and deal with physicality better.

 

When I was there and reading what people have been saying, the DB's seem to be WAY more physical with Keon than anyone else. To the point where it would draw a flag (on Monday for example, Josh made the flag motion on a route drill throw to him). Then the next set of WR's would come up and it would be standard coverage. Then Keon would come up again and again, hands all over him.

 

I don't think this is coincidental. I think the coaches put an edict to make things difficult on him to toughen him up.

 

I think this might be a bit counterproductive in his case.   Keon's basketball instincts seem to kick in so many times and and he instinctively engages in the hand fighting, trying to box out the defender instead of working on his footwork and trying to create separation on his routes. 

 

 I'm not a coach though so my take is probably hot garbage. 😄

[BillsFanForever19]

1 minute ago, Lost said:

 

I think this might be a bit counterproductive in his case.   Keon's basketball instincts seem to kick in so many times and and he instinctively engages in the hand fighting, trying to box out the defender instead of working on his footwork and trying to create separation on his routes. 

 

 I'm not a coach though so my take is probably hot garbage. 😄

 

Could be another reason they're doing it. They could be trying to coach those instincts out of him.

[Sierra Foothills]

29 minutes ago, Augie said:

It can’t hurt to show him what the Chiefs will be doing in the playoffs. Let that just feel natural to you, I say. 

 

Those were Christian Wilkins' exact words!

 

[H2o]

7 hours ago, Special K said:

 

Dorian Strong making the most of the increased reps he is now gettting.....love to hear it!!

He was one of the guys I thought could be perfect for our scheme, and I thought he could be a 6th Round steal because of that. With the added work, he should continue to get better. 

[thenorthremembers]

3 hours ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I know this wasn't addressed to me, but I understand where you're coming from.  That being said, one of the best DT tandems I could remember in recent times, was the Jag DUO of Stroud and Henderson, and I believe Henderson was 6'7" and Stroud was 6'6".  Also there's Calais Campbell, who I believe is like 6'8".  All three are huge powerful men, who wreaked havoc on olines.

 

Stroud and Campbell both played sub 315 pounds.  The Henderson point is a good one, and actually a nice body comp for Walker.  That said, Henderson was a mad man.   If Walker can get that sort of blood flowing through his veins watch out.   

[thenorthremembers]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

I really have not watched much of Deone Walker's game.  I reread your previous post.  My question when we drafted this guy is why can't we bring in guys who have a little better height/weight distribution?  If we are discussing 1 tech vs 3 tech, why do we have such trouble finding guys who are built to play 1 tech.  Thick stout guys with big lower bodies?  The quintissential 1 tech of the modern era was Vince Wilfork.  Wasn't he like 6'3 and 325?   That would seem to be a perfect 1 tech. 

 

The Bills love these real tall guys on both lines.  And I think its a disadvantage.  Spencer Brown-way too tall.  Greg Rousseau-way too tall.  AJ Epenesa-too tall.  Wasn't Jason Peters 6'4?  I would not want any lineman over 6'5 period.  And preferably a little shorter.  Remember Jim Ritcher from years back?  He was maybe 6'1 I believe and was a hell of a guard.

 

If Walker does not play 1 tech, who else do we have other than Daquan Jones?  

There you go.  Squats are not difficult as long as you know how to do them, and don't mess up your knees going down.  

 

I think it really depends on the style of defense.   To your point Wilfork was 6'2 325, Casey Hampton was 6'1 325.   Then again, Ted Washington was 6'5 325.   For linemen in general I think its advantageous for guys with longer arms to play on the edge, and for more stout players to play inside.   My concern is when I hear about a guy who is really tall the 6'7s the 6'8s or 6'9s with pre-existing back problems. 

[Blainorama5]

50 minutes ago, Lost said:

I'm not a coach though so my take is probably hot garbage. 😄

Thanks for that one.  Just perfect, in so many ways!

[3rdand12]

8 hours ago, yall said:

Thank you for all of the updates @HappyDays

Absolutely !

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

One thing I've noticed between going to camp and reading the reports - it seems to me that they're trying to force Keon Coleman to be more physical and deal with physicality better.

 

When I was there and reading what people have been saying, the DB's seem to be WAY more physical with Keon than anyone else. To the point where it would draw a flag (on Monday for example, Josh made the flag motion on a route drill throw to him). Then the next set of WR's would come up and it would be standard coverage. Then Keon would come up again and again, hands all over him.

 

I don't think this is coincidental. I think the coaches put an edict to make things difficult on him to toughen him up.

I went to last two practices, and one thing that was kind of strange was tues was way more physical a practice but they seemed to be letting almost all contact go - for a while it seemed the refs were there as props just for the ambiance.  Today was way less energy and physicality and they threw way more flags.  Not sure if there are different crews and they call it different, if they decide beforehand to have the refs call a certain way etc..

 

I said in the tues camp thread that it was definitely the most physical i ever saw Tre - he was really going after guys in coverage.

[Figster]

59 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Could be another reason they're doing it. They could be trying to coach those instincts out of him.

Or Allens just trying to build chemistry with Keon and the D has different plans.

 

[Mat68]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

I really have not watched much of Deone Walker's game.  I reread your previous post.  My question when we drafted this guy is why can't we bring in guys who have a little better height/weight distribution?  If we are discussing 1 tech vs 3 tech, why do we have such trouble finding guys who are built to play 1 tech.  Thick stout guys with big lower bodies?  The quintissential 1 tech of the modern era was Vince Wilfork.  Wasn't he like 6'3 and 325?   That would seem to be a perfect 1 tech. 

 

The Bills love these real tall guys on both lines.  And I think its a disadvantage.  Spencer Brown-way too tall.  Greg Rousseau-way too tall.  AJ Epenesa-too tall.  Wasn't Jason Peters 6'4?  I would not want any lineman over 6'5 period.  And preferably a little shorter.  Remember Jim Ritcher from years back?  He was maybe 6'1 I believe and was a hell of a guard.

 

If Walker does not play 1 tech, who else do we have other than Daquan Jones?  

There you go.  Squats are not difficult as long as you know how to do them, and don't mess up your knees going down.  

They dont want that guy imo.  They want penetrators and guys who have some pass rush ability.  Walker is massive but has the chops to penetrate.  

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You kind of said it yourself, "if he can play 1T".

 

With how much we rotate, I don't think trading up in Round 2 means he has to start in Year 1 or Year 2. Especially given the plan being to move him around the interior line. Bean

e called him a 3T that can be slid over in certain situations (most likely obvious passing downs). 

 

That doesn't exactly scream to me the eventual full time replacement for Jones at 1T. And again, he doesn't have to be that to make an impact. If he's the first guy up shifting in for Oliver at 3T and he's occasionally coming in to blitz from the 1T on passing downs, replacing Jones or eventually Walker (who I see as the true heir apparent to Jones for 1st and 2nd downs) - he's going to potentially get as many snaps as one of the starters.

 

And if he's as good as advertised, that's well worth the 41st pick in the Draft, even if he isn't technically a Starter. If he is to be a Starter one day, I think it's more likely he makes Oliver expendable in a couple years at 3T than it is he becomes the 1T Starter.

Good post 19

 My offseason mantra was draft early for a 1 tech that would exceed D Jones skill and ability, and quickly.

by the 3rd. Trading around considered

And draft another DT. A Big Boy who is pure 1tech late as a prospect. Shift the D scheme to an immovable AB gap D. And short passing lane defenders .

 

We did not .

 

But I like Bills draft regardless.

 My suggestion is they need another DJones still. How they solve that I still am not sure

 Go Bills

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Tre trying to swap jerseys with Keon, there...

Welcome to the NFL Keon Tre style

 I call that mentoring. 😋

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

I think it's Dane Jackson

Old and senile am I

 What # was Tre back in the Day ?

 

[HappyDays]

 

[WeckMonster]

1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

I think it really depends on the style of defense.   To your point Wilfork was 6'2 325, Casey Hampton was 6'1 325.   Then again, Ted Washington was 6'5 325.

Ted Washington hadn’t seen 325 since 10th grade.