Von Miller signs with Commanders

[CA OC Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, uticaclub said:

We weren't in a Super Bowl window with Dockery; at that time, no one wanted to come to Buffalo. We had all this cap money but no one to spend it on. When his contract was up, so was his cap hit.

We lost Jason Peters because we paid Dockery and Langston Walker for huge contracts but wouldn't pay Peters what he deserved. If we signed Peters to the higher contract instead of either of Dockery, that would have been much better use of $. We also signed another O lineman the same time as those two, can't remember who it was and his contract wasn't as bad as the other two. 

 

This article is 5 years old, so doesn't include Miller, but Sal Maiorana wrote an article in the Rochester D&C about the ten worst free agent signings by the Bills over the first 27 years of free agency. Dockery and Walker are both on this list.https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2020/03/15/buffalo-bills-10-biggest-free-agent-busts-charles-clay-vontae-davis-derrick-dockery-langston-walker/5043781002/

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22 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

I have a different interpretation on the snap counts. Von got to cherry pick his snaps and ONLY played on obvious passing downs. Coming in fresh with easy pass rushing opportunities he really should've produced more than he did. 

As I said, it's more of an indictment on Epenesa. In 600+ snaps he had 6 sack and 9 QB pressures. Not what you'd want from a guy you drafted in the 2nd round in his 5th year in the league. Whiffs like this, Boogie Basham, etc are a big part of the reason they continue to churn through players on the DL. Hope they got it right this year.

[BuffaloMatt]

He owes Bills Nation a refund. 

[T.E.]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

If you're going to attempt to find a worse contract than Von, you're going to have to do a better job than Dockery.

There is not a worse free agent signing in Bills history.

[RoscoeParrish]

1 hour ago, Rigotz said:

I almost made a new thread about this, but suppose we can just discuss here.

 

Is Von the most hated Buffalo Bill in recent history? The domestic violence suspension, underperforming the contract, saying he’d be back in a week then staying out the year…

 

I think he redeemed himself a bit by agreeing to the incentive laden contract last year (which was likely to try to game the system around his suspension)… but I think he’s my #1 most hated.

 

Willis McGahee is a close #2 with the trash talking of Buffalo women on his way out. What an awful regime to draft him in the 1st when we already had Travis Henry and he had just completely torn his ACL.

Not even close to the most hated.

 

like zero.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

55 minutes ago, Logic said:

Good signing for them.

All static and bluster aside, he's still a useful and productive player, health permitting.

Top 15 in pass rush win rate last year and collected six sacks, despite missing four games. He's still got some juice.

I'm worried he will have a better season with Washington then Bosa with the Bills.

[Augie]

9 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I'm worried he will have a better season with Washington then Bosa with the Bills.

 

If he does, he does. If Von has 12 sacks, it doesn’t hurt me at all. I don’t see it, but I won’t care (unless any come against the Bills in a certain playoff game).  My advice would be not to go looking for things to worry about, but that’s just me.  

[SCBills]

17 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I'm worried he will have a better season with Washington then Bosa with the Bills.

Playing injury roulette makes that a possibility but Von, post-injury, was never the force Bosa looked in the Playoffs just a few months ago when he was finally somewhat healthy. 

[Logic]

31 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I'm worried he will have a better season with Washington then Bosa with the Bills.

It's entirely possible. 

Von had one more sack than Bosa last year in one less game played.

Bosa hasn't had more than 10 sacks since 2021, and hasn't had more than 11 since 2019.

Yes, health has been a big factor, but...well...it can't just be discounted. The best ability is availability.

Not sure what Von's asking price is/was, but if he signed for significantly less than what Bosa did, then it's fair to ask if the Bills made a smart move going from Miller to Bosa.

Edited July 17 by Logic

[JP51]

Best of luck VM hope we meet in the playoffs! 

1 minute ago, Logic said:

It's entirely possible. 

Von had one more sack than Bosa last year in one less game played.

Bosa hasn't had more than 10 sacks since 2021, and hasn't had more than 11 since 2019.

Yes, health has been a big factor, but...well...it can't just be discounted. The best ability is availability.

Not sure what Von's asking price is/was, but if he signed for significantly less than what Bosa did, then it's fair to ask if the Bills made a smart move going from Miller to Bosa.

aaaaand thats why they call you logic LOL... I agree 100% btw

[BullBuchanan]

4 hours ago, transient said:

I'm not a Von apologist, I agree he's washed, but in a third of the snaps he had the same number of sacks and a butt load more QB pressures. It's more of an indictment of Epenesa. 

The difference is Von was getting snaps in prime opportunities at the expense of Epenesa. AJ was playing on obvious rushing downs where Von wasn't.

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28 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

The difference is Von was getting snaps in prime opportunities at the expense of Epenesa. AJ was playing on obvious rushing downs where Von wasn't.

Do you think they would have been doing that if they thought they could get more pass rush production from AJ?

[Whites Bay]

2 hours ago, CA OC Bills Fan said:

We lost Jason Peters because we paid Dockery and Langston Walker for huge contracts but wouldn't pay Peters what he deserved. If we signed Peters to the higher contract instead of either of Dockery, that would have been much better use of $. We also signed another O lineman the same time as those two, can't remember who it was and his contract wasn't as bad as the other two. 

 

I know we signed Trey Teague - I think from Denver.  IIRC, they signed him as a tackle and decided to move him to center, which meant that he had one of the higher contracts for centers in the league.  Sorry - I'm just too lazy to look it all up, so I apologize if I'm full of sh!t.

 

Not meaning to hijack the thread.  Man, those were some BAD lines back then.  (*shudders*).

[BullBuchanan]

18 minutes ago, transient said:

Do you think they would have been doing that if they thought they could get more pass rush production from AJ?

Yes, because they had a bizarre fixation on trying to make the Miller situation work despite it being clear it wasn't. McDermott also maintains an unbreakable stance that he MUST constantly rotate his defensive line regardless of game situation and if the talent dropoff is massive, like it has been for years.

I don't know if you remember, but more thana  few people were upset about AJ being spelled for Miller in critical situations, and Miller predictably went on to lumber 10 yards out of the play.

[BontitaBills]

Numbers are in.  3 yrs $48.6 million 25 gdt.  Nice deal for Von. 

[RoscoeParrish]

7 minutes ago, BontitaBills said:

Numbers are in.  3 yrs $48.6 million 25 gdt.  Nice deal for Von. 

No way that’s real 

[Kwai San]

4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

$10 days says he tries to become a GM in Washington.

 

I won’t miss him loving to hear himself blabbing 🤷‍♂️

 

Took 3 full pages before the GM card was played.  Well done Chandler, well done.

[RoyBatty is alive]

Reminiscent of Bruce Smith sighing with the Redskins

[Buffalo Boy]

8 hours ago, transient said:

I'm not a Von apologist, I agree he's washed, but in a third of the snaps he had the same number of sacks and a butt load more QB pressures. It's more of an indictment of Epenesa. 

Epenesa didn’t draft himself in the second round 🤷‍♂️

Or piss money away on Von….

[bigduke6]

meh.  either Von was dogging it last season,  or hes just a guy now.  whatever.