Garrett Wilson massive extension

[RoscoeParrish]

32 minutes ago, MJS said:

They traded for a WR with an already existing cost controlled deal that was not close to top of the market. And then that WR became elite. He was not elite before joining the Bills. And they did pay him later, and that pretty much blew up in their faces.

 

Teams like the Bills and the Chiefs moved on from the elite, top of the market receivers and have been making it work with guys they sign and draft who aren't top of the market guys. Because the top of the market for receivers is overvalued right now.

Destroy him and set him up for failure like they always do. It's the Jets.

Diggs becoming elite was a good thing though, wasn’t it?

 

Do you think the Bills would’ve felt the need to trade for Diggs if they already had an elite WR on the roster? I don’t. I think they traded for Diggs because they wanted a great WR to help their young QB and they paid a significant price to do so. And it worked!

 

The Bills gave Diggs a massive extension in 2022. They were willing to play ball in the WR market with a franchise QB contract. They didn’t trade him and eat his cap hit 18 months later because of a change of heart in WR’s positional value.

 

More importantly, the Jets aren’t the Chiefs or the Bills. The Bills/Chiefs may see a way to make things work without superior talent around their proven elite QBs. But the 2019 Bills needed to support their young QB with a ton of unrealized potential. The 2018-20 Chiefs may have been one of the must stacked offenses when their QB needed it most.

 

I just fundamentally disagree with these takes. It feels like a way to just make fun of the Jets no matter what they do. Which is very addicting, so I understand. 

Edited July 14 by RoscoeParrish

[Albany,n.y.]

59 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Well if your whole strategy is to pay nobody 

 

If you ever find that franchise quarterback your team is going to be so lacking talent that even a tremendous prospect would be destroyed behind a weak line with no weapons 

 

 that certainly is a strategy to destroy a potential franchise quarterback in two seasons lol

 

Even Peyton Manning isn't getting through that lol

 

The 49ers haven't had a franchise quarterback in years and they've been to the super bowl recently..  Purdy is a glorified game manager but wins because of the talent around him

 

The 2018 Bills fit your description & it didn't destroy Josh Allen.  That team had one of the worst O-lines & a whole lot of nothing at WR.  

[SoonerBillsFan]

15 minutes ago, appoo said:

For one of the 5 most talented WRs alive?

I don't see WR's worth 100 mil. Buy I'm old and grouchy. 😁

[Buffalo716]

15 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

The 2018 Bills fit your description & it didn't destroy Josh Allen.  That team had one of the worst O-lines & a whole lot of nothing at WR.  

We literally went to the playoffs the year before we might not have been a great team we were not a bottom feeding tank team lol we literally cut some deadweight salary cap players to try and flip the roster quicker

 

We were not a 1-15 type team.. as evidenced by the record

 

We also got extremely lucky that we did not ruin Josh Allen because 100% it's easier to ruin a good quarterback than it is to develop one 

 

Brandon Beane came here and fixed our wide receiver core and offensive line in pretty quick time... Especially knowing that Rome wasn't built in a day 

 

Were we amazing in 2018? No.. I've seen plenty of worse NFL teams

 

And that still doesn't mean you want to be without talent when you finally find a quarterback lol

Edited July 14 by Buffalo716

[MJS]

17 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Diggs becoming elite was a good thing though, wasn’t it?

 

Do you think the Bills would’ve felt the need to trade for Diggs if they already had an elite WR on the roster? I don’t. I think they traded for Diggs because they wanted a great WR to help their young QB and they paid a significant price to do so. And it worked!

 

The Bills gave Diggs a massive extension in 2022. They were willing to play ball in the WR market with a franchise QB contract. They didn’t trade him and eat his cap hit 18 months later because of a change of heart in WR’s positional value.

 

More importantly, the Jets aren’t the Chiefs or the Bills. The Bills/Chiefs may see a way to make things work without superior talent around their proven elite QBs. But the 2019 Bills needed to support their young QB with a ton of unrealized potential. The 2018-20 Chiefs may have been one of the must stacked offenses when their QB needed it most.

 

I just fundamentally disagree with these takes. It feels like a way to just make fun of the Jets no matter what they do. Which is very addicting, so I understand. 

I wasn't even making fun of them with my original comment. I just said I think it is risky to pay a WR before you have a QB. That's all.

 

I think good teams are figuring out how to operate without the big money receivers because the contracts are getting too insane. Let then walk and then draft their replacements and sign mid market free agents until the receiver market cools down or the rest of the league inflates to their level.

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

We literally went to the playoffs the year before we might not have been a great team we were not a bottom feeding tank team lol we literally got  salary cap in an attempt to  flip the roster

 

We were not a 1-15 type team 

 

We also got extremely lucky that we did not ruin Josh Allen because 100% it's easier to ruin a good quarterback than it is to develop one 

 

The team that went to the playoffs the year before was way different. They cut a ton of players to clear cap and get rid of dead weight. It was a transitional year. The oline was crappy, where the year before it was still pretty good. Josh had basically no weapons and no protection.

Edited July 14 by MJS

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, mushypeaches said:

You just can’t pay a WR like that when you don’t have a franchise QB.

 

Jets just lit a whole ton of money on fire

If Justin Fields isn't the answer then they draft a rookie next year and get him in on a rookie contract.  He'll have at least a #1 WR in place.  This is exactly the time to do it.

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, MJS said:

I wasn't even making fun of them with my original comment. I just said I think it is risky to pay a WR before you have a QB. That's all.

 

I think good teams are figuring out how to operate without the big money receivers because the contracts are getting too insane. Let then walk and then draft their replacements and sign mid market free agents until the receiver market cools down or the rest of the league inflates to their level.

The team that went to the playoffs the year before was way different. They cut a ton of players to clear cap and get rid of dead weight. It was a transitional year. The oline was crappy, where the year before it was still pretty good. Josh had basically no weapons and no protection.

I understand that.. there's also the difference between the team we put on the field in 2018 which one like six games and 

 

Compared to a tanking NFL team which.. the bills haven't even picked number one overall in like 40 years 

 

We've very rarely ever even sniffed that bad even if we've had some bad teams the last 20 years 

 

We whooped an 8 win Viking team on the road with our transition team.. that alone shows we were not barely NFL level.. we beat a 9 win Titans team 

 

There was some promise to be seen

Edited July 14 by Buffalo716

[RoscoeParrish]

13 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

The 2018 Bills fit your description & it didn't destroy Josh Allen.  That team had one of the worst O-lines & a whole lot of nothing at WR.  

The 2018 Bills spent the next two years trying to rebuild the OL and the WRs because they were so bad they were negatively impacting Josh.

 

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

I wasn't even making fun of them with my original comment. I just said I think it is risky to pay a WR before you have a QB. That's all.

 

I think good teams are figuring out how to operate without the big money receivers because the contracts are getting too insane. Let then walk and then draft their replacements and sign mid market free agents until the receiver market cools down or the rest of the league inflates to their level.

fair enough, I guess I conflated some of the others’ posts in this thread.
 

I think “the good teams figuring out how to operate without big money receivers” is a little overblown with the reigning SB champs having two very expensive WRs currently but I get it.

 

The way I look at it is like this: 

 

the 2018 Bills had weak WRs/TEs and a weak OL and Josh Allen’s first year starting was up and down.

 

the 2018 Chiefs had great WRs/TEs and a good enough OL and Mahomes’ first year starting won the MVP.

 

If I had to drop a rookie/young QB on a roster, I’d pick the 2018 Chiefs over the 2018 Bills any day of the week. I think having a talented offensive roster around a young QB is a good thing. I wish the Jets let Garret Wilson walk. It would be better for us.

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Did anyone else read the thread title, and immediately think of Sheriff Bart's line in 'Blazing Saddles':

 "Excuse me while I whip this out..."

🤔

[Einstein]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

Paying a WR before you find a QB is kind of risky, in my opinion.

Agreed.

But he really is good. 

[Buffalo716]

14 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Agreed.

But he really is good. 

Maybe paying a guy a hundred million dollars before you have a quarterback is risky 

 

But if I'm a general manager I'm still trying to lock up any good pieces I have even if I don't have a quarterback.. even a Ryan Fitzpatrick level guy would look much better throwing to a Garrett Wilson 

 

I'm glad they actually would throw a hundred million dollars at a guy when they don't have a consistent guy to get him the ball... Better than going to Baltimore or Pittsburgh in free agency who we might see in the playoffs

Edited July 14 by Buffalo716

[Don Otreply]

Never heard of him,

[RunTheBall]

I know we all like to sht on the Jets but this is a good move by them. Wilson is a top 6 WR in the NFL. The Jets have very little talent on the offensive side, they don’t have to pay a franchise QB, so why not spend some money on the best guy your team has?

 

Good for Wilson for getting his bag. He might sniff the playoffs at some point with Glen as HC but I doubt it. Maybe he will be one of those guys who after this contract is up goes cheap to a good team so he can feel what winning is like. 

 

 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

The Jets are STUPID! Those of you defending this contract, here is something to chew on. Shakir has been one man banding this offense at WR for a while now. Sure Hollins was a big help in spots, but Shakir is an extremely reliable WR who is value priced at an average annual salary of $13,264,500, unlike Garrett Wilson. The Jets will never be able to afford a franchise QB if they find one without shorting other positions. They will be leaving him on an island twisting in the wind while the Cheatriots pass them by because they already have Maye. Garrett Wilson took the money, plain and simple, and is going to hamstring their organization. Glenn is going with the same old same old tired approach that the Jets have been doing for years... defense, defense, defense with some offense. This move will bite them.

[RoscoeParrish]

15 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

The Jets are STUPID! Those of you defending this contract, here is something to chew on. Shakir has been one man banding this offense at WR for a while now. Sure Hollins was a big help in spots, but Shakir is an extremely reliable WR who is value priced at an average annual salary of $13,264,500, unlike Garrett Wilson. The Jets will never be able to afford a franchise QB if they find one without shorting other positions. They will be leaving him on an island twisting in the wind while the Cheatriots pass them by because they already have Maye. Garrett Wilson took the money, plain and simple, and is going to hamstring their organization. Glenn is going with the same old same old tired approach that the Jets have been doing for years... defense, defense, defense with some offense. This move will bite them.

We afforded Diggs and Josh for 4 seasons and really a 5th with his dead cap hit.

Edited July 15 by RoscoeParrish

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

We literally went to the playoffs the year before we might not have been a great team we were not a bottom feeding tank team lol we literally cut some deadweight salary cap players to try and flip the roster quicker

 

We were not a 1-15 type team.. as evidenced by the record

 

We also got extremely lucky that we did not ruin Josh Allen because 100% it's easier to ruin a good quarterback than it is to develop one 

 

Brandon Beane came here and fixed our wide receiver core and offensive line in pretty quick time... Especially knowing that Rome wasn't built in a day 

 

Were we amazing in 2018? No.. I've seen plenty of worse NFL teams

 

And that still doesn't mean you want to be without talent when you finally find a quarterback lol

The Bills team in 2018 was bad, Josh basically willed the team to 5 of the wins. Josh made Robert Foster look like an NFL receiver because even as a rookie, in spite of looking a lot worse on paper than he did on the field, Josh was already a difference maker. The O-line was a total mess, resulting from the losses of both Wood & Incognito.  Losing those 2 guys made a big difference from 2017 to 2018.  Our WR corps were a bunch of dregs both seasons after losing Woods & dumping Watkins before the 2017 season. 

Beane understood how bad things were in 2018 & revamped the O-line & WRs.  Unfortunately, in revamping the O-line he ended up dumping Teller in favor of Feliciano, but no GM is perfect.  

Basically, we have a difference of opinion because I don't believe you can ruin a talented QB unless you do something that gets the guy a career threatening injury.  I know a lot of people believe in the ruin a QB theory, but you'll never convince me of that theory. I believe more bad QBs ruin their coaches than the other way around.  Bad scouting is the reason for busts at QB a lot more than bad coaching or bad rosters. 

[BillsFooteball]

Yeah I mean I want to make fun of this because it’s the Jets but the kid is elite. Absolute stud with trash QBs and organization. He is the best player on the team 

[NickelCity]

I really like his game. What a monster he would be with Allen.

[Albany,n.y.]

I have a Larry Felser column from The Sporting News from 1986.  Unfortunately, I couldn't find it on the internet, so I'll type it out (I've abbreviated words like quarterback to QB).  I think after 39 years the statute of limitations on typing this article has expired. The author, one of my favorite columnists of all time has been gone a long time. It basically explains how a talented QB isn't damaged by going to a bad team.  I don't think the game has changed to the point that you couldn't ruin a QB in the 1980s but can now. 

Kelly's Plight Isn't Unusual

As soon as Jim Kelly began negotiating with the Buffalo Bills to begin his NFL career, the chuckling started:

"Poor Jim. He will have to play with that hapless team.  He deserves a better fate...the Raiders, the Rams or some other team in Lotus Land." 

If Kelly signs a contract with the Bills, he will be coming to a team that bears a strong resemblance to a dead horse, but it will not be a unique experience. 

Kelly already has been compared to-sometimes rated above-most of the quarterbacks playing today.  

If he plans to translate those claims into reality in the record book, he will have to make something out of very little for the Bills, because that is what most of the great QBs have done. 

Consider San Francisco's Joe Montana, whom many pro football experts rank as the best QB playing today. 

In 1978, the year before Montana was drafted by the 49ers, they had a 2-14 record. They were 2-14 in his rookie season, 6-10 the next year, then compiled a 13-3 record and won the Super Bowl in his third.  

The Bears were 6-10 in 1981, the season that qualified them to select Jim McMahon.  When McMahon was a rookie in the strike-shortened 1982 season, the Bears were 3-6. They were 8-8 in '83, 10-6 in '84 and 15-1 in last year's Super Bowl championship campaign.  

Dan Fouts' brilliant career as San Diego's QB obscures his unhappy beginnings.  The Chargers were 4-9-1 in 1972, the year before he came to them.  They were worse his rookie season, and it wasn't until Don Coryell took over as coach in 1978, Fouts' 7th season, that he played on a winning team. 

Denver moped along at 2-7 in 1982, the season before John Elway came to the Broncos. The Broncos were 9-7 his rookie season, 13-3 the next year and 11-5 last year.

The major exception of a top current QB making his debut with a poor team was Dan Marino, who went to a Miami team in 1983 that had played in the previous Super Bowl with David Woodley at QB.  So the Dolphins were 12-4 in Marino's rookie campaign and 14-2 including a trip to the Super Bowl, his second year.

Then there is Terry Bradshaw, the only QB ever to go 4 for 4 in Super Bowls. The Pittsburgh Steelers were 1-13 in 1969, which is the reason they got to select Bradshaw with the first pick in the draft.  The Steelers were 5-9 in his rookie year, 6-8 in 1971, 11-3 in '72, 10-4 in '73, and 10-3-1 in '74, when they capped the season with their first Super Bowl victory.

If Kelly is as good a QB as his admirers claim, he'll have the same sort of chance to prove it that most of his peers did. Besides, he has the jump on them, two years as a professional, although he did play in a league of inferior quality. 

Kelly may be surprised at what he finds on Buffalo's offensive roster when he gets to the Bills-assuming he does. 

Buffalo has been choosing wide receivers with premium draft picks for three years. Andre Reed caught 48 passes a year ago. Only Eddie Brown of Cincinnati and Jerry Rice of San Francisco caught more among rookies. Chris Burkett and Jimmy Teal are also talented youngsters, and the Bills still have slick veteran Jerry Butler.

Buffalo's principal strength is in the backfield, with Greg Bell, Joe Cribbs and top draftee Ronnie Harmon. 

The Bills offensive line allowed 42 sacks last year, but nearly half of those came because QBs panicked in situations when the opposition knew they had to pass.  Kelly was sacked 73 times in his rookie year in Houston. 

Save the tears for Kelly. He'll be no worse off than most of the other top QBs were when they started.  

 

[34-78-83]

It’s not that it's a bad move by the Jets… it’s that it’s a bad move because the Jets made the move, and by their nature the Jets moves all turn to 💩 .