PFF OL Rankings

[pennstate10]

Based on what I saw last season , Bills OL is very good. But, excepting Spencer Brown, not excellent. Josh covers up for them in pass pro quite a bit. 
 

From my eyes, best to worst last year. 
 

Brown

McGovern

Torrance

Dion

Edwards

 

 

[corta765]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Depends on how quickly Josh Simmons recovers from his knee injury. He was an elite prospect that only fell because of that injury. Early reports from OTAs said he was already working in with the 1s and looked fine. If he can step in and immediately be the answer at LT that automatically makes them better than last year IMO. And then you have Rashee Rice coming back. Good reason to think their offense will be significantly better than it was last year.

 Good points. I am not sour on the Chiefs O as I think between Mahomes Reid & their skill guys they have plenty to go. But the leftside with both LT & LG I think will be the great differentiator on their season.

 

Ironically the Chiefs offense could be much better but the teams overall record a few games worse. They went 10-0 in one score games including one OT win, the toe touch no TD vs BAL, missed FG by DEN, CIN game last FG, and the second Raiders game. Law of averages is real with this stuff and even at 7-3 they would've finished 12-5 by comparison. 

[GunnerBill]

36 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

Based on what I saw last season , Bills OL is very good. But, excepting Spencer Brown, not excellent. Josh covers up for them in pass pro quite a bit. 
 

From my eyes, best to worst last year. 
 

Brown

McGovern

Torrance

Dion

Edwards

 

 

 

O'Cyrus was definitely our weakest OL last year. 

[SoCal Deek]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

O'Cyrus was definitely our weakest OL last year. 

Probably true, but he seems to have a bit of a nasty streak when he’s in bulldozer mode. I’m guessing he’s doesn’t make for a pushover to go up against for an entire game. 

[Bills!Win!]

I miss the days of Jamie Nails, Duke Preston and Mike Pucillo

 

 

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:

I miss the days of Jamie Nails, Duke Preston and Mike Pucillo

 

 

 

Just add two guys let loose on the final cutdowns, and we had our starting OLine! 

 

It’s really incredible how poorly those rosters were constructed. Appreciate this team and the focused approach we have today! We deserve some good times, and a Lombardi would be the cherry on top. 

[GunnerBill]

41 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Probably true, but he seems to have a bit of a nasty streak when he’s in bulldozer mode. I’m guessing he’s doesn’t make for a pushover to go up against for an entire game. 

 

Sure. He is physical. His technique is iffy though. He whiffs more than any of our other starters.

[C.Biscuit97]

20 hours ago, Blainorama5 said:

Bills should be no. 2 - at least!

Small market bias!!!

 

 

[billsbackto81]

11 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Denver has a better OL?🤔
Rubbish!

Agree. Their offense is a bunch one read trigger throws like Miami does with Tua. Nix is a lot more elusive though which allows him to improvise and tuck and run if his first option isn't there. 

 

Bills O Line is imo much more formidable both in run and pass blocking.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

20 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Amazing that the Bears turned it around so fast.  Their o line was bottom 3 not too long ago.

On paper. But their moves look good

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

O'Cyrus was definitely our weakest OL last year. 

Yeah but he got much better as the season went along. First month he was really struggling. 

Hope he hits the ground proverbial running this year. 

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

Based on what I saw last season , Bills OL is very good. But, excepting Spencer Brown, not excellent. Josh covers up for them in pass pro quite a bit. 
 

From my eyes, best to worst last year. 
 

Brown

McGovern

Torrance

Dion

Edwards

 

 

Dion has the toughest matchups week in and out ... He has the most 1 on 1s and he is a Stalwart 

 

That alone has to put him #1... The blind side is a different animal and you can't name 5-6 tackles more consistent than him over the last five years

 

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

We can all kid but it’s really interesting to see the route taken to assemble this O Line. For example, both of our starting Tackles came out of small schools and Dawkins was listed as a Guard. (Something I’d forgotten.) 

Outside of QB, Oline has to be the hardest to evaluate. The college game OL play is nothing like the NFL. Its all 2 point stances and spread offenses. Some physical traits are needed to play OT like wing span and foot movement. Outside of that its all player development. 

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Outside of QB, Oline has to be the hardest to evaluate. The college game OL play is nothing like the NFL. Its all 2 point stances and spread offenses. Some physical traits are needed to play OT like wing span and foot movement. Outside of that its all player development. 

It really depends.. a guy like Zack Martin who went 25th.. or a guy like quinton Nelson, they don't need any development 

 

Some schools like Notre Dame do produce NFL ready lineman a good amount... Guys like Tristan wirfs from Iowa were already made 

 

As you said , college football is more spread so blocking schemes are more east to west.. the NFL blocking schemes are more north south 

 

So there's a lot of projection... You look for traits more than anything else

 

It's why I was so adamant McGovern would be a very good center.. he has all the individual traits you're looking for in a center.. despite not playing it in a long time 

 

He has the size and length... He has a nasty streak, he is athletic at his size and can move and finish... All of that points to a good center

 

Just like with Dawkins and brown ... Arm length, quickness, a tenacity finishing... A boxers straight to get hands on ends and quick feet 

 

That's what you're looking for in a tackle.. I don't care if you started at George or Temple.. if the Georgia guy doesn't have those traits he's not going to be an NFL tackle

Edited Wednesday at 10:23 PM by Buffalo716

[SoTier]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Depends on how quickly Josh Simmons recovers from his knee injury. He was an elite prospect that only fell because of that injury. Early reports from OTAs said he was already working in with the 1s and looked fine. If he can step in and immediately be the answer at LT that automatically makes them better than last year IMO. And then you have Rashee Rice coming back. Good reason to think their offense will be significantly better than it was last year.

 

I'm not one to predict the imminent demise of the Chiefs, but I'm also not expecting their OL play to improve significantly, especially early in the season.   Simmons is a rookie, and LT is a tough position to learn.  They also lost All Pro guard Joe Thuney which might be a much bigger problem because they will likely have a rookie (Simmons) and a rookie/JAG guard on the left side of the line.   Maybe the Chiefs are confident that they have an adequate replacement for Thuney, but they have not demonstrated the same kind of expertise finding/developing OLers as they have with other units.   Their OL has been their weakest link for the last three seasons.

[HappyDays]

11 minutes ago, SoTier said:

I'm not one to predict the imminent demise of the Chiefs, but I'm also not expecting their OL play to improve significantly, especially early in the season.   Simmons is a rookie, and LT is a tough position to learn. 

 

If they can get even average LT play from Simmons that would be a substantial improvement, and that more than makes up for fall off at a less important position. But who knows how Simmons will perform? Even elite prospects sometimes don't work out, especially in year one. If he doesn't improve on what they had last year then yeah there's a good chance their OL will be worse.

 

Edited Wednesday at 11:21 PM by HappyDays

[Blainorama5]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Small market bias!!!

 

 

Probably.   But Im ok with that.  😉

[pennstate10]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Dion has the toughest matchups week in and out ... He has the most 1 on 1s and he is a Stalwart 

 

That alone has to put him #1... The blind side is a different animal and you can't name 5-6 tackles more consistent than him over the last five years

 

 

 

No doubt that Dion has been our best OL over the past 5 years.

But based on the last half of the season, Brown is our best OL today.  He is dominant in pass pro, and our best pulling OL.

[Buffalo716]

30 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

No doubt that Dion has been our best OL over the past 5 years.

But based on the last half of the season, Brown is our best OL today.  He is dominant in pass pro, and our best pulling OL.

I've been calling Brown a future All pro since before last season started but he's not as consistent yet 

 

And he gets more tight end chipping help

 

He is definitely our best run blocker he's definitely not as consistent in pass protection as Dion yet

Edited Thursday at 01:20 AM by Buffalo716

[BADOLBILZ]

 

Josh Allen is the most O-Line friendly QB in the league.    Even Mahomes and Lamar leave their O-lines more exposed to negative statistical outcomes.

 

The Bills have very good tackles.......average-ish guards.......and a solid center.

 

No elite performers.   

 

Allen, a commitment to the run game and the frequent use of a 6th OL make them perform at an elite level though.

 

[Buffalo716]

20 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Josh Allen is the most O-Line friendly QB in the league.    Even Mahomes and Lamar leave their O-lines more exposed to negative statistical outcomes.

 

The Bills have very good tackles.......average-ish guards.......and a solid center.

 

No elite performers.   

 

Allen, a commitment to the run game and the frequent use of a 6th OL make them perform at an elite level though.

 

Elite at the offensive line is basically non-existent in 2025 

 

There's about four guards you could call elite lol 

 

And there's about six tackles including left and right 

 

Dawkins is severely underrated around here.. and Spencer Brown is on a All pro Ascension... As I said earlier somebody like Creed Humphrey who a lot of people would consider elite here... Is literally not Head and shoulders better than Conor McGovern 

 

In fact with the salary cap.. 3 years 22 million is way better than 4 years 70 million 

 

Humphrey isn't that much more money better... He's not even in the same stratosphere as a Kevin Mawae from back in the day

 

We have multiple guys at top 10 at their spot.. which in the NFL where there's not great line play is massive boost

 

The word elite is super subjective and offensive lines are a unit.. Bill belichick used to mix together multiple different lineups until he found the best cohesive mix... We literally have 6-7 quality NFL lineman on our roster potentially more

 

Even a guy like Alec Anderson will be starting on another team sooner than later because if we don't give him decent money, he's going to take a contract for another team that's going to pay him to start

 

And I think he has a really bright future at center which is where I would give him a shot at if we let McGovern leave for a bigger contract

 

There's not a lot of teams who have six or seven playable offensive lineman who will not get your quarterback killed every play.. that in itself is really good

Edited Thursday at 01:49 AM by Buffalo716