Maxwell Hairston named in civil lawsuit for sexual assault

[Jalan81]

5 hours ago, WNYFAN1 said:

Hmmm... if this happened (HUGE if), and if I were this girl's father, I'd want to stick it as hard as humanly possible to this guy. Thus I'd have advised waiting.

 

If it didn't happen, then obviously just a money grab.

 

Lot of "ifs"

It's literally the top item on the Headlines of ESPN.COM

Part of me thinks that in a criminal case if they are not charged or found not guilty, you shouldn’t be able to be sued civilly. But that would be a perfect world where every case was concluded with true justice. But unless new evidence is brought forward, I don’t think one should be allowed to delay filing for years. 

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I was kind of making fun of people who think that she waited for this particular moment to strike.  The logic just doesn't play out that way.

LOL it absolutely does. She knew as a freshman he had no money,  but there was always the chance he would become a professional athlete. There is no doubt they were waiting to see the outcome and filed as he was drafted. There was no need to wait all these years except now he has money, that is perfect logic. 

[OZBILLS]

Give her the bag. Sign the release and move on

[Jalan81]

7 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

What?  In the civil context money IS the justice.  That’s literally how it works.  

Not necessarily, the burden of proof is much lower, it is not a given it is justice, just a gamble the system can be played for a payout. 

[Victory Formation]

These accusations are horrible but that doesn’t mean they’re true. Innocent till proven guilty, not the other way around.

[Jalan81]

7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Describe all of the facts of the case as you know them (hint: the decision by a DA to not press charge on an assault case is not a "fact" of a case, it's the outcome).

 

You already know that (according to DOJ data) of the 310/1000 cases that are reported, only 50 lead to arrest.  It's obvious that there often is not enough hard evidence for a DA to charge--they don't want to take anything to trial except slam dunk cases.  

 

She reported it to the cops (which less than half of victims do).  It didn't go anywhere. If I'm her, I'm absolutely going to wait until the perp comes into some money and then sue--why not?  Now she is guaranteed his response, unless he settles before he is deposed/discovery.  If he settles then he's guilty.

 

How many times has Watson been charged with assault, despite over 20 women suing him civily for it?  That's right, zero---yet we are pretty sure he is guilty of it (because he plays for another team).

You can talk about 1000 cases but not a single other case has anything to do with this one. Lots of innocent people settle for a number of reasons. It may be cheaper than a protracted legal battle, it ends the uncertainty of a trial etc. There is also no doubt a number of people file suits as a gamble for a big payout knowing full well they are hoping they can convince a jury they have been injured in some way. I’ve worked in the construction industry for years. I know several people who were injured outside of work and then reported it as a work injury and ended up with a work comp payout. People are dishonest, the system can be played,  by men, by woman, in all situations. 

[Doc Brown]

17 minutes ago, Jalan81 said:

LOL it absolutely does. She knew as a freshman he had no money,  but there was always the chance he would become a professional athlete. There is no doubt they were waiting to see the outcome and filed as he was drafted. There was no need to wait all these years except now he has money, that is perfect logic. 

My guess is when she found out he got drafted and signed a huge contract that's when either someone contacted her or she saw a money grab opportunity.  Maybe she deserves it if she really was assaulted.  The four year plan thing is a bit far fetched.

[BillyJoeBills]

Unless that woman has Hairston’s DNA on her pajama shorts and corroborating evidence from the Sexual Assault Nurse exam taken hours after the alleged attack, the case will be dead on arrival.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

This chick is setting women back. The veil on 'believe all women' has been lifted thankfully, in exchange for a more even handed - wait till all facts come out. Not all men are guilty, not all women play fair... 

 

Both men and woman are capable of heinous chitttt. Hopefully this goes by quickly.

Nobody knows the facts but she came forward immediately after the attack which lends to her credibility.  

If she was assaulted and a star athlete was let off the hook it discourages more women to come forward.

No one knows the facts here.  Maybe the case was not good enough to prosecute. Maybe an attack did occur. If it did I hope she can get some form of justice even if monetary and can recover. 

If it was consensual then I hope this goes away soon and Hairston can move on with his career. 

[BillyJoeBills]

And after Hairston is cleared, the Bills shouldn’t let him go near any female masseuses, just in case.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

30 minutes ago, Jalan81 said:

Part of me thinks that in a criminal case if they are not charged or found not guilty, you shouldn’t be able to be sued civilly. But that would be a perfect world where every case was concluded with true justice. But unless new evidence is brought forward, I don’t think one should be allowed to delay filing for years. 

LOL it absolutely does. She knew as a freshman he had no money,  but there was always the chance he would become a professional athlete. There is no doubt they were waiting to see the outcome and filed as he was drafted. There was no need to wait all these years except now he has money, that is perfect logic. 

So by your logic, OJ should not have been allowed to be sued by Ronald Goldman's parents? 

[Augie]

32 minutes ago, Jalan81 said:

Part of me thinks that in a criminal case if they are not charged or found not guilty, you shouldn’t be able to be sued civilly. But that would be a perfect world where every case was concluded with true justice. But unless new evidence is brought forward, I don’t think one should be allowed to delay filing for years. 

LOL it absolutely does. She knew as a freshman he had no money,  but there was always the chance he would become a professional athlete. There is no doubt they were waiting to see the outcome and filed as he was drafted. There was no need to wait all these years except now he has money, that is perfect logic. 

 

Part of me thinks…..that you should not opine on legal matters. 

[T master]

Surprised that it took until he signed his contract that some women would wait almost 5 years to file or is it just a coincidence ??? 

 

It took her that long to remember al the details to tell to a lawyer What ? I hope they do a little more digging with this one unlike they did with the punter ...

[WotAGuy]

Hard Knocks producers literally drooling over this. 

[muppy]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

I’m sure the Bills investigated this to the hilt considering he was a potential first round pick and especially after what happened with Araiza.  

you would think so and I believe it to be true. It makes sense to me at least

 

The need at the position and Mr Hairstons ball skills trumped their concern over his alleged situation 

 

so much for the Bills only drafting the squeaky clean guy all the time. And he still might be squeaky clean we don't know what occurred between those 2 people.

 

This will become a popcorn thread. Wait and see what happens,

 

Bottom line I hope he joins the team and contributes. we need him to.

 

 

 

[muppy]

3 hours ago, T master said:

Surprised that it took until he signed his contract that some women would wait almost 5 years to file or is it just a coincidence ??? 

 

It took her that long to remember al the details to tell to a lawyer What ? I hope they do a little more digging with this one unlike they did with the punter ...

speaking as the alleged victim here if the person who assaulted you had no assets  and her recourse was civil not criminal liability (which is a lower standard of proof) are you saying there is a statute of limitations on such suits? She waited  until he had some money. If he is guilty he can be sued up to now obviously. If money is her solace then money she may or may not even get

 

like I said above. film at 11

 

wait and see

 

The whole thing stinks. from the alleged assault to now it coming home to roost as he joins our team

 

Isn't that just perfect

 

SMH

Edited July 3 by muppy

[Doc]

14 minutes ago, muppy said:

you would think so and I believe it to be true. It makes sense to me at least

 

The need at the position and Mr Hairstons ball skills trumped their concern over his alleged situation 

 

so much for the Bills only drafting the squeaky clean guy all the time. And he still might be squeaky clean we don't know what occurred between those 2 people.

 

This will become a popcorn thread. Wait and see what happens,

 

Bottom line I hope he joins the team and contributes. we need him to.

 

What it seems you're implying is they didn't investigate the incident or found something but didn't care, just because of need and talent.  I'm saying they must have thoroughly investigated it because they were planning on using a lot of resources and because of what happened with Araiza and found nothing of merit, so they went ahead and drafted him.

[SinceThe70s]

10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Describe all of the facts of the case as you know them (hint: the decision by a DA to not press charge on an assault case is not a "fact" of a case, it's the outcome).

 

You already know that (according to DOJ data) of the 310/1000 cases that are reported, only 50 lead to arrest.  It's obvious that there often is not enough hard evidence for a DA to charge--they don't want to take anything to trial except slam dunk cases.  

 

She reported it to the cops (which less than half of victims do).  It didn't go anywhere. If I'm her, I'm absolutely going to wait until the perp comes into some money and then sue--why not?  Now she is guaranteed his response, unless he settles before he is deposed/discovery.  If he settles then he's guilty.

 

How many times has Watson been charged with assault, despite over 20 women suing him civily for it?  That's right, zero---yet we are pretty sure he is guilty of it (because he plays for another team).

 

Disclaimer: I have no clue who (if either) is the righteous party in this case.

 

But how many times has Hairston been sued similarly by over 20 women? If and when that becomes  the case  (or as other info is made public) my thoughts on this suit will differ - as they did with Watson. "Because he plays for another team" is completely irrelevant to me, not sure why you made that point.

[Mike in Horseheads]

Always amazes me how many people post with less than 100 posts every time there is a situation like this.  I'm sure they are new members not burner accounts of current members who don't want to post ridiculous comments under their usual screen names.  🙄  

[muppy]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

What it seems you're implying is they didn't investigate the incident or found something but didn't care, just because of need and talent.  I'm saying they must have thoroughly investigated it because they were planning on using a lot of resources and because of what happened with Araiza and found nothing of merit, so they went ahead and drafted him.

I wouldn't call a civil lawsuit nothing. If they didn't see it coming and drafted him thinking it was no longer an issue well guess what SMH

 

Either way he is the bills problem now and there IS an issue. Clearly. it is not settled by a long shot

 

🍿

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

8 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

My sources date from 2022 when it was 100% the case that the NFL could not discipline a player for happenings prior to the draft.

I would assume yours supercede, being from 2023

Perhaps the NFL decided to change their policy after the Araiza happenings.

 

Yes, that's exactly what happened. And I'm sure it was a result of the Araiza situation:

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/maxwell-hairston-sexual-assault-lawsuit-could-eventually-result-in-league-discipline

 

Quote

There was a time when misconduct predating a player’s arrival to the NFL would not result in direct scrutiny under the Personal Conduct Policy. At most, pre-NFL behavior would be a factor in punishment for post-NFL misdeeds.

 

That changed in 2023.

 

The league revised the Personal Conduct Policy that year to include this statement: “Nothing in this Policy should be read to limit the league’s authority to investigate or discipline potential Policy violations alleged to have occurred before a player is under contract or Draft-eligible.”

 

So unfortunately, Maxwell Hairston COULD be suspended. But it wouldn't be until after the Civil Suit has been resolved, if there's a settlement or he was found liable in court.

Edited July 3 by BillsFanForever19