Keon drops 60 in Damar's celebrity basktball gam

[Slowcoach]

When I saw Keon drops 60 I thought it was a receiving stat. 

[Alphadawg7]

18 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Did you watch the video of Keon  playing basketball?  Josh Allen does play basketball but comparing his play to Keon's, again as I have already stated is an absurd reach.  And you comments that Allen could hurt his back on a swing or tear an ACL playing softball, all I can say is we are clearly not going to agree on this.  No I dont want them in bubble wrap just use some common sense.  This is why a lot of teams in their contracts explicitly detail what the players can not participate in.

 

You do know that stepping on someones foot, hard cuts and sudden stops in basketball are lot higher risk for a significant injury than just landing after a dunk right?  

 

My point isn't that softball or golf is that dangerous, its that dunking isn't this inflated risk its being portrayed as

[RoyBatty is alive]

15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You do know that stepping on someones foot, hard cuts and sudden stops in basketball are lot higher risk for a significant injury than just landing after a dunk right?  

 

My point isn't that softball or golf is that dangerous, its that dunking isn't this inflated risk its being portrayed as

I am not going to beat this into the ground, as I wrote we will disagree.

[Cray51]

27 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Glad you have family in the NFL and yes I understand the dynamics.  Robert Edwards career ended with a simple game of flag football, my point is these are million $ properties and I would strongly suggest toe Keon to safeguard his health.

There's a balance between letting a guy understand the risks of activities, and bubble wrapping players.  If we were the franchise that doesn't let our guys do anything fun during the offseason, we're a franchise no one wants to play for

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

There's a balance between letting a guy understand the risks of activities, and bubble wrapping players.  If we were the franchise that doesn't let our guys do anything fun during the offseason, we're a franchise no one wants to play for

Yes, that is EXACTLY what I was implying, I dont want our guys to have any fun during the offseason.  Nevermind

[Cray51]

2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Yes, that is EXACTLY what I was implying, I dont want our guys to have any fun during the offseason.  Nevermind

I didnt say you were implying that, I'm saying it's a balance...  Sorry to get you upset

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, stevewin said:

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2025/06/16/keon-coleman-basketball-60-points-damar-hamlin-celebrity-game-buffalo-bills-michigan-state/84222765007/

 

I hope he dunked on Diggs

[Augie]

59 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

A reach?  A guy who plays basketball his whole life dunking isn't some high probability injury situation, the over reaction IMO is a bit of a reach.  And guys have hurt their ankles rounding bases or chasing balls in softball plenty of times too.  Also not a high probability for risk, but definitely not an absurd comparison either.  

 

Point is - this wasn't that serious and nothing outside the ordinary of what professional athletes do in the offseason either.  On the risk factor scale on what they could be doing, this was pretty low.  

 

It was a charity basketball event. Other Bills were playing basketball too. Maybe the problem is that Keon is too athletic? Maybe if he played basketball without jumping so high? 🤷‍♂️

 

Life is dangerous. I don’t think it’s fair to say Keon is a space cadet and therefore he’s at greater risk playing the same game as everyone else….but better.  If you play, you play. One could argue that playing at half speed is just as dangerous, and it’s something you’d never want to do in football if you care for your wellbeing. 

 

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

A reach?  A guy who plays basketball his whole life dunking isn't some high probability injury situation, the over reaction IMO is a bit of a reach.  And guys have hurt their ankles rounding bases or chasing balls in softball plenty of times too.  Also not a high probability for risk, but definitely not an absurd comparison either.  

 

Point is - this wasn't that serious and nothing outside the ordinary of what professional athletes do in the offseason either.  On the risk factor scale on what they could be doing, this was pretty low.  

 

He didn't just play basketball his whole life.

 

The dude was a D1 basketball player.

 

How many dudes do we see in March sitting out the tournament because of a dunk? And this is Keon just dunking on air, not other real life humans playing defense 

[billieve420]

As much as the team would like to, you can't wrap these guys in bubble wrap. Injuries can happen anywhere from the weight room, guys training on their own, or playing in some recreational activity like a charity basketball game. However, if it is something that is not explicitly banned in their contract these guys are free to do whatever and you just have to hope for the best.

Edited Monday at 07:28 PM by billieve420

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, T.E. said:

He's clearly a bit of a space cadet. I like the guy and think he will be a decent WR, but it is what it is.

 

Pssssst.  The Bills have basketball hoops in their indoor training facility, and guys play some pickup half court after practices.   McDermott countenances it if not encourages it because he thinks it fosters competitive spirit.
 

When he was newer to the league, you used to see Josh Allen distracted by the hoop goings on during interviews - he would be answering questions with one ear and pining to be over there with the other.

 

1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

True BUT the poster has a legit point, doing windmill dunks so high in the air is taking it too far imo, he very easily could have hurt an ankle, comparing it to Josh Allen playing softball is an absurd reach. If I was McDermott i would not be very happy.  

 

Imagine watching 5'8" Cole Beasley doing windmill dunks after practice.

Edited Monday at 07:36 PM by Beck Water

[HansLanda]

If only NFL defenses were like what he was facing on the court. Were they the Washington Generals? 

[Mr. WEO]

yeah what was this?  there's no defender on his side of the court while he just dribbles up and dunks.  there's a lady MC on the court as everyone just watches him shoot, lol.

 

notice by the way, throwing down those dunks like he never actually had a wrist injury (wink, wink).....

[Buffalo716]

You could say whatever you want about his timed 40 time 

 

But he was the starting punt returner at Florida State... Schools like Florida State put their best athlete back there not guys who are in quicksand 

 

They put explosive guys who can break tackles and make people miss

 

Then you see his explosion in the basketball game and you could see he is a very good athlete... He has a lot of explosion which will help his football game 

 

He has a lot of room to grow and become a really good football player

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I mean you can say that about any of the guys on the team playing the softball game every year where they can get hurt as well, or these guys just working out in the offseason, or any extra curricular activity that other guys on the team do, including Josh, over each offseason.  

 

Yeah ask the RB (can't recall the name ) who tore his ACL on a jet ski 2 summers ago.  And if I remember right he wasn't even moving at the time?

[NeverOutNick]

2 hours ago, Slowcoach said:

When I saw Keon drops 60 I thought it was a receiving stat. 

If only 😆 

[Figster]

 

[Beck Water]

43 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You could say whatever you want about his timed 40 time 

 

Thank you Buff I shall avail myself of your kind permission. 

 

People IMHO get way too excited by 40 times, especially now a days when a good number of players train specifically for the 40 yd dash.  Some training that improves a 40 time is applicable to football, like sprints, plyo, deadlifts.  But a good bit of it is "pajama olympics", like training for the best acceleration out of a 3 point stance.

Josh Allen ran what? a 4.75 second 40?  Pat McAfee said to him his rookie year "I think you play faster than that" to which Josh replied "Thank you, I think I do too".  Allen's first couple years were notable for defenders taking bad angles to run him down because he was, in fact, faster (and more nimble) than he looked and than his 40 time led them to expect.  Those days are gone.

 

Explosion, cutting ability, and the ability to create deception with body cues are all at least equally relevant and while there is a correlation between fast 40 times and playing speed, it's just a correlation.

 

43 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

But he was the starting punt returner at Florida State... Schools like Florida State put their best athlete back there not guys who are in quicksand 

 

They put explosive guys who can break tackles and make people miss

 

Then you see his explosion in the basketball game and you could see he is a very good athlete... He has a lot of explosion which will help his football game 

 

He has a lot of room to grow and become a really good football player

 

I think you implied the problem fans have with Coleman in your last sentence there.  "He has a lot of room to grow and become a really good football player".  The problem fans have, is that being drafted with the Bills first pick, fans expected him to walk in and ALREADY BE a really good football player.

 

Instead, Coleman fits Beane's "type" for drafting at the end of the 1st round exactly - an athletic, high ceiling, low floor guy with a world of potential but also a lot of growth needed to realize it.  

Edited Monday at 08:51 PM by Beck Water

[Augie]

1 hour ago, HansLanda said:

If only NFL defenses were like what he was facing on the court. Were they the Washington Generals? 

 

It could have been the NBA All-Star game defense. But yeah, pretty much the same thing…

[Buffalo716]

27 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Thank you Buff I shall avail myself of your kind permission. 

 

People IMHO get way too excited by 40 times, especially now a days when a good number of players train specifically for the 40 yd dash.  Some training that improves a 40 time is applicable to football, like sprints, plyo, deadlifts.  But a good bit of it is "pajama olympics", like training for the best acceleration out of a 3 point stance.

Josh Allen ran what? a 4.75 second 40?  Pat McAfee said to him his rookie year "I think you play faster than that" to which Josh replied "Thank you, I think I do too".  Allen's first couple years were notable for defenders taking bad angles to run him down because he was, in fact, faster (and more nimble) than he looked and than his 40 time led them to expect.  Those days are gone.

 

Explosion, cutting ability, and the ability to create deception with body cues are all at least equally relevant and while there is a correlation between fast 40 times and playing speed, it's just a correlation.

 

 

I think you implied the problem fans have with Coleman in your last sentence there.  "He has a lot of room to grow and become a really good football player".  The problem fans have, is that being drafted with the Bills first pick, fans expected him to walk in and ALREADY BE a really good football player.

 

Instead, Coleman fits Beane's "type" for drafting at the end of the 1st round exactly - an athletic, high ceiling, low floor guy with a world of potential but also a lot of growth needed to realize it.  

It's tough because general managers have to balance what you already are, versus what you can or will become 

 

 the growth of all players is not the same... And some come into the league with their body and their skills closer to maxed.. which is good for instant production, but typically plateaus 

 

Then you get players, who have raw unrefined skills with talent ... And it might take those players till year 2-3 to physically catch up with the game but they have more potential 

 

Then obviously the players there's the few players who come in with the correct body, the right type of skills and athleticism with a high level of production.. and those guys don't get out of the top 5-10