FireChans Posted Monday at 04:50 PM Posted Monday at 04:50 PM https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-tight-end-rankings-top-32-ahead-of-2025-nfl-season I love PFF (for now). 1 2 5 Quote
Don Otreply Posted Monday at 05:02 PM Posted Monday at 05:02 PM It’s the off season, but they gotta pump out the “content” lol, Quote
YattaOkasan Posted Monday at 05:11 PM Posted Monday at 05:11 PM He was open a lot. Probably a good spot to start eating crow when i said mid-season that there wasnt anything wrong with the Allen-Kincaid connection. Clearly there was. Hopefully they get it resolved. He also had a really good rookie season. 1 Quote
Simon Posted Monday at 05:12 PM Posted Monday at 05:12 PM Damn, that list is a bit........ skinny. 2 11 3 1 Quote
Mikie2times Posted Monday at 05:19 PM Posted Monday at 05:19 PM Kincaid really added some muscle this year Quote
Xerx Posted Monday at 05:28 PM Posted Monday at 05:28 PM 16 minutes ago, Simon said: Damn, that list is a bit........ skinny. +1 Quality post 1 1 1 Quote
Kornfed Posted Monday at 06:15 PM Posted Monday at 06:15 PM Anyone putting any stock in anything PFF has to say is pissing into the wind. .. You’re welcome 1 Quote
dorquemada Posted Monday at 06:22 PM Posted Monday at 06:22 PM Lmao. In what universe does anybody put Kincaid in the top 10? I hope he can get there someday but there's exactly nothing in his existing body of work for him to be in the top 1/3 1 1 Quote
Gunsgoodtime Posted Monday at 06:45 PM Posted Monday at 06:45 PM 1 hour ago, Simon said: Damn, that list is a bit........ skinny. They clearly did not see the pic of him looking like skelator 🤣 Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted Monday at 06:51 PM Posted Monday at 06:51 PM 23 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Lmao. In what universe does anybody put Kincaid in the top 10? I hope he can get there someday but there's exactly nothing in his existing body of work for him to be in the top 1/3 While i mostly agree that he was not very good last year, there are things... we as fans don't see. How often he was open and should've been targeted, his performance as a blocker on run and pass plays, etc. 1 Quote
buffaloboyinATL Posted Monday at 06:55 PM Posted Monday at 06:55 PM 2 hours ago, FireChans said: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-tight-end-rankings-top-32-ahead-of-2025-nfl-season I love PFF (for now). Way to go, you skinny bastard! Quote
dorquemada Posted Monday at 06:58 PM Posted Monday at 06:58 PM 5 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: While i mostly agree that he was not very good last year, there are things... we as fans don't see. How often he was open and should've been targeted, his performance as a blocker on run and pass plays, etc. Dude, that's like listening to incomprehensible jazz, and having some guy in a black beret and goatee tell you "you have to listen to the notes they're not playing" This isn't 12th dimensional chess. He's not top 10, full stop. 1 1 1 Quote
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted Monday at 07:00 PM Posted Monday at 07:00 PM (edited) Kincaid seems to be this year's TBD whipping boy. I remember last summer people complaining about Dion Dawkins being too fat (who oddly enough went on to have the best season of his career.) Now this summer it's Dalton Kincaid being too skinny. I put no stock into any of this especially 3+ months before the regular season. We see professional fighters make weight in much lesser time than this. There are millions of dollars at stake. These guys know what they're doing and if they don't then they have loads of resources to help them out. These rankings are obviously BS, but I'm not as down on DK as much of the posters here. I think part of the problem is him being lost in the shuffle. I wonder if there's even been an MVP QB without a 1000 yard receiver before? That stat alone should tell you how much the Bills love to spread the ball around. I think Kincaid would fare much better in an offense that makes him more of the focal point. Slight regression from his rookie year. The other problem is his inexperience and the difficulty of the position itself. There's a reason why elite TE's don't grow on trees. Not only do you have to be a great receiver, but also a great blocker or at least not a complete liability. 2 years is not all that long. Antonio Gates didn't break 1k until year 3, Tony G took 4, Kelce 4 years, etc. The best comparison to Kincaid is former Panther Greg Olsen who didn't really become a premier player until he turned 29, but did have very decent production leading up to it. I think this is what Beane is (realistically) aiming for. The best option to me is still Knox because of his blocking. I really wish Buffalo would go back and watch old Patriots film to learn how to correctly run a 2 TE passing game. Edited Monday at 07:02 PM by ChronicAndKnuckles 4 Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted Monday at 07:02 PM Posted Monday at 07:02 PM Just now, dorquemada said: Dude, that's like listening to incomprehensible jazz, and having some guy in a black beret and goatee tell you "you have to listen to the notes they're not playing" This isn't 12th dimensional chess. He's not top 10, full stop. I agree, i just think there's more to player evaluation than when the ball is explicitly given to him. Quote
dorquemada Posted Monday at 07:27 PM Posted Monday at 07:27 PM 25 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: I agree, i just think there's more to player evaluation than when the ball is explicitly given to him. We can agree on that though I trust Allen generally speaking on who he throws the ball to. Gabe Davis excepted. Quote
blacklabel Posted Monday at 07:37 PM Posted Monday at 07:37 PM Based on things said by some teammates, it sounds like the injury was a lot more limiting than what they let on. I think some even said they were quite surprised he was even able to finish the season. I'd assume that impacted game planning to a degree. There may have been certain routes they didn't bother to dial up for him just because he wasn't able to run them as he usually would. They definitely have stuff in the playbook for him and Knox. Second half of the season it seemed like Knox got open on a down field crosser for 25-35 yards like once a game. While it was nice to see Knox getting those looks, it made me wonder if those plays are usually for Kincaid. The dude has talent and yeah I'm just gonna assume the injury really slowed him down this year. Dude set the Bills rookie record for receptions in '23, I don't think he's just gonna fade into oblivion after a bit of a sophomore slump. That said.... I rrrrreally wish he would've caught that ball at the end of the KC game. Yeah it was off target but Josh was lucky to even get that ball to him, dude was running for his life as soon as he got the ball. Bah! 1 1 Quote
dorquemada Posted Monday at 07:50 PM Posted Monday at 07:50 PM I want to see more Knox. Bring Kincaid along as slowly as necessary but Knox is a baller 1 Quote
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