Tush Push vote failed. Still a thing

[cle23]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

A player should not receive assistance (pulling or pushing) from a teammate to gain yardage -- PERIOD.  It's a stupid play and should have never been allowed.

 

 

Should defenders not be allowed to gang tackle then? 

[wjag]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

The pull is already banned, it’s just not being consistently enforced.

 

The whole thing is stupid.  

 

 

True but this would have brought attention to it front and center.

[SoonerBillsFan]

Here is what cracks me up. Dolphins,  Jets, Pats...3 teams that Josh kicks their asses with the Sbow Plow... all voted to keep it.  

 

Morons are gonna moron.

[wjag]

I really don't get McD's vote to ban it.   Buffalo clearly used it to great effect.  Let's vote to take away a high percentage play to get first downs and TDs.  👀

[BullBuchanan]

3 hours ago, eball said:

Friggin' Travis Jason Kelce was there lobbying for the play.  Ridiculous.

 

It's not a football play and hopefully it's out next year.

 

It might be THE definitive football play. A giant scrum is as old-school as football gets. I love it.

The only I issue I have is they need to let defensive players defend it to the point that there's a risk with running it.

[WideNine]

It was interesting to hear Jerry Ostrosky's take on the tush push having played in the NFL as an O-lineman.

He basically went back to football's rugby roots and said pushing the pile is just part of the game and should remain. When it came to player safety, he felt the scrutiny should land more on how the league wants to expand to more games and how they currently feature more games outside the traditional Sunday/Monday cadence which often end up creating short weeks and not enough down time for player recovery.

Mentioned that if the league wants to expand to more off-schedule games and more games in general they should also seriously consider expanding rosters to better accommodate that format (assuming he meant more player rotation bench strength and room on the roster for those PUP scenarios).

Edited 7 hours ago by WideNine

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

A player should not receive assistance (pulling or pushing) from a teammate to gain yardage -- PERIOD.  It's a stupid play and should have never been allowed.

 

Another outright horrible take.

[eball]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Another outright horrible take.

 

You can disagree, but the take isn't horrible and had 22 of 32 votes.  When I look back at NFL Films highlights and history, the story isn't replete with ball carriers being pushed and pulled to victory.

 

[BullBuchanan]

6 minutes ago, eball said:

 

You can disagree, but the take isn't horrible and had 22 of 32 votes.  When I look back at NFL Films highlights and history, the story isn't replete with ball carriers being pushed and pulled to victory.

 

It depends how far back you look because it's been a viable tactic for the last 34 years, a period which many would argue includes the best eras of the sport. It was also legal in the beginning of the game, only becoming a foul during the era of the forward pass.

Edited 7 hours ago by BullBuchanan

[JerseyBills]

 

Bills voted for the ban....interesting 

All other AFC East teams voting against 

[WideNine]

8 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

 

Bills voted for the ban....interesting 

All other AFC East teams voting against 

 

It is interesting considering how much success we had running that play for short yardage.

I am sure it is related to protecting Allen, but he usually does not play like a guy trying to protect himself - although he did take more steps to avoid unnecessary collisions last season with more slides.




 

 

[eball]

17 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

It depends how far back you look because it's been a viable tactic for the last 34 years, a period which many would argue includes the best eras of the sport. It was also legal in the beginning of the game, only becoming a foul during the era of the forward pass.

 

 

I beg to differ.

 

[davefan66]

One of my concerns is calling penalties if they outlawed every aspect of “assistance”. Holding is bad enough…don’t need a guy near the ball holder getting flagged for no reason.

[Simon]

Looks like it was an interesting meeting

[LABILLBACKER]

29 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

 

Bills voted for the ban....interesting 

All other AFC East teams voting against 

Bills voted to ban it because they realized they were inconsistent running it. The remaining AFCE teams are just too stupid to realize the benefit of banning it. It will definitely be banned next season so enjoy your last year of the rugby tush push.

[Simon]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

The reason people want it banned isn't because it's not a football play or leads to more injuries (it doesn't); it's because it's basically unstoppable if you have the personnel.

 

I think there are also some folks (read: me) who don't necessarily want it banned, don't care that it's unstoppable but still don't like it because it's just boring and predictable.

3rd/short used to be an interesting down; now I look at it as a chance to change the channel or go to the fridge.

A league that emphasizes revenue over all else might be wise to consider that side effect.

[MJS]

I'm glad. We don't need more officiating, we need less.

[JerseyBills]

18 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Bills voted to ban it because they realized they were inconsistent running it. The remaining AFCE teams are just too stupid to realize the benefit of banning it. It will definitely be banned next season so enjoy your last year of the rugby tush push.

Bills were dominant running it minus 1 game... lol 

38 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

It is interesting considering how much success we had running that play for short yardage.

I am sure it is related to protecting Allen, but he usually does not play like a guy trying to protect himself - although he did take more steps to avoid unnecessary collisions last season with more slides.




 

 

Ya exactly my thoughts,  they dominated that play . It never looked like Josh took much damage either, ya it could happen but overall seems very safe and effective 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

27 minutes ago, Simon said:

Looks like it was an interesting meeting

This Jeff Lurie sounds like a total weirdo. I saw he was from Boston and a patriots fan originally, which explains a lot. 

[Alphadawg7]

48 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Bills are easily 2nd best at it. Ppl just remember the KC game, other than that it has been automatic these last 2 years

 

What they did in the KC game sadly wasn't the Tush Push...had they done the real tush push we go to the Super Bowl most likely.