Purdy and 49’ers extension. 5 years 265 million

[Kirby Jackson]

3 hours ago, CoudyBills said:

Probably wise to put that in the original post.  I know it is more fun to bait responses and come in and tell people why they are so dumb, but it is much easier to just add the reason to the first comment.  

Appreciate the advice on how to navigate this place!! I’m learning.

 

I assumed it was self explanatory. As soon as @BillsFan130 asked, I elaborated. Maybe it wasn’t clear. It’s in the first response located on page 2. The question was asked 14 minutes after the initial post. That was responded to 22 minutes later. 

[Mister Defense]

2 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

I just view Goff as a bus rider, not a bus driver.

 

He’s not a bad QB by any means and can look really good in the right environment.

 

Every QB is essential to a teams’ success. Tua is essential to the Dolphins’ success. When he plays very well, they are a playoff team.

 

But Tua, like Goff, has some pretty big flaws in their game that rear their ugly heads and ultimately cost their team.

 

Really, the point is that your painting of Goff’s 5 pick game and stealing a win as evidence of his personal ability is the complete antithesis of what I believe it demonstrates. I watched that whole game. That was not a marvelous comeback orchestrated by Goff. It was Goff CONSISTENTLY trying to give the game away, and his defense keeping them alive to win on a field goal. 
 

Allowing 10 points on 5 picks is a historic team achievement, not a QB achievement, imo.

 

And when it came to the postseason, bad Jared came out to play and his defense couldn’t save the day, and they got embarrassed and sent home early.
 

Up 7-3, he fumbles. Washington scores.

 

Down 3, Jared throws a pick six. 
 

Down 10 going in to the half, another pick.

 

And the Lions could never catch up.

That’s Jared Goff. 

 

 

Okay, thanks for the info, clarification.

 

But for that one game I am not saying the comeback was the result of a remarkable performance by Goff, only that the one game should never be used as a seminal example to define a player.  Even great, HOF quality quarterbacks have those kind of games, as Kelly did. 

 

And it was clearly not a  common thing for Goff last year, or over the last several years. He has not had a lot of interceptions and has one of the lowest int % rates in NFL history. And the rest of his stats clearly speak for themselves.

 

It would be like taking one of Michael Jordan's worst games statistically, and making the case that he is not that good, over payed, and using that one awful game to make the case.  Almost no one would do that because it would be completely illogical, a red herring.

 

 

(I would never define your career by your worst game, fumbling the ball on a punt return against the Browns in 2009 to just hand the Browns that game, 6-3.  As your fumble allowed the Browns to kick a short filed goal to win. But I was really PO'd at you, I have to admit! Almost over it now though.)

 

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Mister Defense

[K D]

Brock Purdy 2024 base salary - $985,000

 

That's quite the raise! I wish I could figure out how to get my boss to pay me an extra $52 million

[BullBuchanan]

On 5/17/2025 at 1:31 PM, Mister Defense said:

But I'm really surprised to see you put Goff in that group!   He is in a completely different category, has led his team to a Super Bowl

Goff "led" his team to the Super Bowl the same way Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson led their teams to the Super Bowl. He's a little better than those guys, but he's absolutely the weak link on that team. There's at least 10 QBs that would be a marked upgrade for the Lions. He single-handedly lost the game for the Lions against the Commanders in the playoffs, and he was one of the worst players on the field during their SB loss to the Patriots. The Lions had an elite team the last couple years and they've disappointed.

He's a middle of the road game manager who will never be good enough to win with, but he'll bait teams into keeping him because he's so much better than the unknown. He's a less talented Kirk Cousins. Put Purdy in the same camp as those two.

Edited 13 hours ago by BullBuchanan

[Mike in Horseheads]

1 hour ago, K D said:

Brock Purdy 2024 base salary - $985,000

 

That's quite the raise! I wish I could figure out how to get my boss to pay me an extra $52 million

Start low like 26m and work the number up

[Mister Defense]

50 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Goff "led" his team to the Super Bowl the same way Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson led their teams to the Super Bowl. He's a little better than those guys, but he's absolutely the weak link on that team. There's at least 10 QBs that would be a marked upgrade for the Lions. He single-handedly lost the game for the Lions against the Commanders in the playoffs, and he was one of the worst players on the field during their SB loss to the Patriots. The Lions had an elite team the last couple years and they've disappointed.

He's a middle of the road game manager who will never be good enough to win with, but he'll bait teams into keeping him because he's so much better than the unknown. He's a less talented Kirk Cousins. Put Purdy in the same camp as those two.

 

Whoa!!!

 

What an awful comparison! I read it a few times to see if there was a sign it was tongue in cheek. It is not.

 

Comparing Goff to Dilfer!? 

 

Extremely different roles in their teams, with Goff clearly a seminal leader of his team, his yards and TDS as a QB a significant reason the Lions have been so successful.

 

In Dilfer's SB year, 2019, he played 10 games for Tampa and threw for 1600 yards, with 11 TDS and 11 INts.

 

Again, here are Goff's stats the last three years:

 

2022: 65% CP,  4438 yards, 7.6 YPA, and 29 TDS and & 7 INTs

 

2023:   67%, 4575 yards, 7.6, YPA, and 30 TDs and 12 INTs

 

2024:  72%,  4,629 yards, 8,6 YPA, and 37 TDs and 12 INTs

 

I would guess you have not seen Goff play much and the same could be said for Trent Dilfer?  Goff has thrown for 96 TDS, ninety six, the last three years. Trent Dilfer threw for 113 TDS in his entire 13 year career.

 

Goff is an extremely significant part of the Lions' success--just a quick look at his stats, his yards and TDs alone should stop anyone from making such a bad comparison.

 

Hope you don't analyze or evaluate our Bills in such a crazy way!

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Mister Defense

[mikemac2001]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Appreciate the advice on how to navigate this place!! I’m learning.

 

I assumed it was self explanatory. As soon as @BillsFan130 asked, I elaborated. Maybe it wasn’t clear. It’s in the first response located on page 2. The question was asked 14 minutes after the initial post. That was responded to 22 minutes later. 

Learn how to message board bro 

[PonyBoy]

On 5/16/2025 at 3:10 PM, DJB said:

 

 

Crazy!

No Superbowl winning QB's on that list 😳

[Mike in Horseheads]

59 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

Whoa!!!

 

What an awful comparison! I read it a few times to see if there was a sign it was tongue in cheek. It is not.

 

Comparing Goff to Dilfer!? 

 

Extremely different roles in their teams, with Goff clearly a seminal leader of his team, his yards and TDS as a QB a significant reason the Lions have been so successful.

 

In Dilfer's SB year, 2019, he played 10 games for Tampa and threw for 1600 yards, with 11 TDS and 11 INts.

 

Again, here are Goff's stats the last three years:

 

2022: 65% CP,  4438 yards, 7.6 YPA, and 29 TDS and & 7 INTs

 

2023:   67%, 4575 yards, 7.6, YPA, and 30 TDs and 12 INTs

 

2024:  72%,  4,629 yards, 8,6 YPA, and 37 TDs and 12 INTs

 

I would guess you have not seen Goff play much and the same could be said for Trent Dilfer?  Goff has thrown for 96 TDS, ninety six, the last three years. Trent Dilfer threw for 113 TDS in his entire 13 year career.

 

Goff is an extremely significant part of the Lions' success--just a quick look at his stats, his yards and TDs alone should stop anyone from making such a bad comparison.

 

Hope you don't analyze or evaluate our Bills in such a crazy way!

 

 

Goff has been a FF point dream

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Goff has been a FF point dream

 

Because the team around him is sick.  Best RB tandem in the league, great receivers, great TE's, excellent o line with aggressive offensive coaching.  Wouldn't be a shock if they won it all in this upcoming season.

[nosejob]

On 5/16/2025 at 5:28 PM, BullBuchanan said:

When you have Goff, Lawrence, Tua, and Love all making the same money as Allen and Burrow, it starts to look like union rate for a starting QB. Prescott is just lol.

I'm willing to bet right now, that Milton leads the Cowboys to a wild card, possibly threatens for the NFCE title and Jerry Jones will be waving his Johnson at the naysayers.

Note...not a Jones or Coboys fan, just wouldn't be surprised.

[CoudyBills]

6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Appreciate the advice on how to navigate this place!! I’m learning.

 

I assumed it was self explanatory. As soon as @BillsFan130 asked, I elaborated. Maybe it wasn’t clear. It’s in the first response located on page 2. The question was asked 14 minutes after the initial post. That was responded to 22 minutes later. 

Hahaha.  Well done, grasshopper.  

[Sierra Foothills]

This might be helpful (or not): Mike Sando's QB tiers. Whether you agree with Sando's rankings is irrelevant. The moral of the story is that QBs aren't only good or bad. There's a bit more to it than that.

 

Tier 1 A Tier 1 quarterback can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure-passing situations. He has no real holes in his game: Mahomes, Burrow, Allen

Tier 2 A Tier 2 quarterback can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure-passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game: Lamar, Herbert, Rodgers, Stafford, Stroud, Dak, Goff, Hurts, Purdy, Cousins, Love

Tier 3 A Tier 3 quarterback is a legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defensive component to win. A lower-volume dropback passing offense suits him best: Tua, Trevor, Kyler, Deshaun, Baker, Carr, Geno, Russ

Tier 4: A Tier 4 quarterback could be an unproven player (not enough information for voters to classify) or a veteran who ideally would not start all 17 games: Jones, Fields, Minshew, Richardson, Levis, Young, Darnold, Brisset

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Sierra Foothills

[Mister Defense]

5 hours ago, nosejob said:

I'm willing to bet right now, that Milton leads the Cowboys to a wild card, possibly threatens for the NFCE title and Jerry Jones will be waving his Johnson at the naysayers.

Note...not a Jones or Coboys fan, just wouldn't be surprised.

 

At first I did not get this, the Cowboys getting to the playoffs, or possibly winning the division!? 

 

I was thinking Milton was a defensive player they got in free agency.

 

But then realized it was their backup QB! I had not read a lot of this thread, so that is likely why I didn't get it at first.

 

If Milton does start, and if he looks like he did against the Bills, and I had never seen a better rookie first game my entire life, then the Cowboys may actually have an outside chance to make the playoffs.

 

But with Jones' leadership, his obvious lack of ability as a GM and team leader, and his huge desire for the spotlight, any real leap this year is much less likely. But Milton may end up being his best move, a low risk shot worth taking.  As Dak will never lead a Cowboys' team to consistent playoff victories or the promised land. A different kind of bad leader than Jones, but not a leader of men either.  I cannot think of one supposedly good, long term starting quarterback who has looked more confused, out of touch, and out of his league when playing good teams, good defenses, than Prescott.

 

Thank our lucky stars the Bills have significantly better leaders at every level  of their organization.  This is a vital part of the Bills' success, and the opposite is true for the Cowboys.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Mister Defense

[DapperCam]

I think Purdy is good, and he will probably play "good" not great on this deal. I think he can win a SB, and is a little bit above a pure game manager. But he can't elevate his team like the best QBs. Not even close.

[Richard Noggin]

9 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Goff "led" his team to the Super Bowl the same way Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson led their teams to the Super Bowl. He's a little better than those guys, but he's absolutely the weak link on that team. There's at least 10 QBs that would be a marked upgrade for the Lions. He single-handedly lost the game for the Lions against the Commanders in the playoffs, and he was one of the worst players on the field during their SB loss to the Patriots. The Lions had an elite team the last couple years and they've disappointed.

He's a middle of the road game manager who will never be good enough to win with, but he'll bait teams into keeping him because he's so much better than the unknown. He's a less talented Kirk Cousins. Put Purdy in the same camp as those two.

 

I don't think Goff's documented production or his tape supports such a dismissive assessment of his ability. "A less talented Kirk Cousins" is a crazy claim. #1 overall pick with a better athletic profile and college pedigree who's had SO MUCH more NFL success...it's just not close. I get that they're both pocket guys who throw a nice intermediate in-breaker, but come on!

[RoscoeParrish]

10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Appreciate the advice on how to navigate this place!! I’m learning.

 

I assumed it was self explanatory. As soon as @BillsFan130 asked, I elaborated. Maybe it wasn’t clear. It’s in the first response located on page 2. The question was asked 14 minutes after the initial post. That was responded to 22 minutes later. 

You needed advice because you said you weren’t sure if Purdy is better than Fields which is why you got jumped on. 
 

Everyone is sure that Purdy is better than Fields.

10 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

 

 

Okay, thanks for the info, clarification.

 

But for that one game I am not saying the comeback was the result of a remarkable performance by Goff, only that the one game should never be used as a seminal example to define a player.  Even great, HOF quality quarterbacks have those kind of games, as Kelly did. 

 

And it was clearly not a  common thing for Goff last year, or over the last several years. He has not had a lot of interceptions and has one of the lowest int % rates in NFL history. And the rest of his stats clearly speak for themselves.

 

It would be like taking one of Michael Jordan's worst games statistically, and making the case that he is not that good, over payed, and using that one awful game to make the case.  Almost no one would do that because it would be completely illogical, a red herring.

 

 

(I would never define your career by your worst game, fumbling the ball on a punt return against the Browns in 2009 to just hand the Browns that game, 6-3.  As your fumble allowed the Browns to kick a short filed goal to win. But I was really PO'd at you, I have to admit! Almost over it now though.)

 

 

 

So here’s the thing.

 

I’m mot saying Goff is terrible. If I was defining him by a 5 pick game, he wouldn’t be a pretty good QB. He would be another Peterman.

 

what I am saying is it exemplified the kind of QB Goff is. A QB that can be very good in a good situation with a good team. A QB who can unfortunately meltdown not uncommonly. And a QB who looks better than he is because he has a very good team around him, good enough to beat a playoff team despite their QB actively trying to lose it.

[Doc Brown]

12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Appreciate the advice on how to navigate this place!! I’m learning.

 

I assumed it was self explanatory. As soon as @BillsFan130 asked, I elaborated. Maybe it wasn’t clear. It’s in the first response located on page 2. The question was asked 14 minutes after the initial post. That was responded to 22 minutes later. 

I knew what you were saying the first time but kind of knew you were about to get blasted by those who didn't.  If Justin Fields starts for a team in the 2026 season, I pledge not to eat wings for two weeks.

Edited 2 hours ago by Doc Brown