Dalton Kincaid Still Skinny

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, Pete said:

How many of those catches were more than 5 yards? What good is a first round pick who only catches 4 yard passes and gets taken down by the first defender?  I’m so sick of the bubble screens to Kincaid that go nowhere.  Lots of excuse makers who are Dalton enablers.  Dude is in his third year and 26 years old.  When is the light going to turn on for Dalton?  If he sucks ass again, cut him loose, no fifth year option.  Get us a better TE

 

10th most yards for a rookie TE in NFL history...did you miss that part too?

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

10th most yards for a rookie TE in NFL history...did you miss that part too?

 

He seems deliberately obtuse here, and it’s getting old. 

[Billsfed1]

I don’t think his size matters really.  If he’s staying on the lighter side perhaps that means he’s emphasizing the receiving portion of his game.

 

Didn’t lamar jackson and tua do this last year?

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

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You are correct, lol,

[Pete]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

10th most yards for a rookie TE in NFL history...did you miss that part too?

10th most yards for TE rookie is grasping at straws.  Bowers had 112 catches for 1,194 yards, 5 TDs. In two years Dalton has 117 catches for 1121 yards and 4 TDS.  In other words- Bowers has better numbers in one year, then Dalton in 2.  Not the production I want from a first round TE

[oldmanfan]

17 minutes ago, Pete said:

10th most yards for TE rookie is grasping at straws.  Bowers had 112 catches for 1,194 yards, 5 TDs. In two years Dalton has 117 catches for 1121 yards and 4 TDS.  In other words- Bowers has better numbers in one year, then Dalton in 2.  Not the production I want from a first round TE

Are you saying that the only thing that will suit you is to have a guy that sets records like Bowers did?  

[Augie]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Are you saying that the only thing that will suit you is to have a guy that sets records like Bowers did?  

 

That sounds like his unreasonable way of seeing things. I’m glad he’s not my father. My kid was never valedictorian, but I’m still very proud of all he’s accomplished. 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

10th most yards for TE rookie is grasping at straws.  Bowers had 112 catches for 1,194 yards, 5 TDs. In two years Dalton has 117 catches for 1121 yards and 4 TDS.  In other words- Bowers has better numbers in one year, then Dalton in 2.  Not the production I want from a first round TE

Bowers was also the focal point of the Raiders offense unlike Kincaid. Toss in the Raiders WR beyond Meyers are who? 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

10th most yards for TE rookie is grasping at straws.  Bowers had 112 catches for 1,194 yards, 5 TDs. In two years Dalton has 117 catches for 1121 yards and 4 TDS.  In other words- Bowers has better numbers in one year, then Dalton in 2.  Not the production I want from a first round TE

LMAO - so your baseline expectation is the greatest rookie season TE maybe ever?  Got it.  
 

Bowers is a generational talent, and for his stats it sure helps that he also plays on a team without a lot of other weapons so he gets featured.  

 

And in Daltons second year he missed games and played hurt. 
 

You're just being ridiculous at this point.  Dalton has plenty to prove still, but you’re again being way over the top dramatic to just be dramatic.

FYI:  Prepare to remain disappointed.  Not only will Kincaid not put those numbers up here for a season, no TE will in this system because we spread the ball around.  Bowers himself would not get enough targets to replicate those numbers here.  

[mannc]

3 hours ago, Billsfed1 said:

I don’t think his size matters really.  If he’s staying on the lighter side perhaps that means he’s emphasizing the receiving portion of his game.

 

The point is, he’s often hurt.  Being undersized is likely one reason for that.  He’s not built like an NFL TE.

[Big Turk]

On 5/10/2025 at 1:47 PM, mannc said:

The point is, he’s often hurt.  Being undersized is likely one reason for that.  He’s not built like an NFL TE.

 

To be fair most of the time he missed last year happened due to a bad Josh Allen overthrow on what should have been a wide open TD where there literally wasn't even a defender in the screen that forced him to try and awkwardly dive for it which injured his PCL.

 

Think he missed one other game with a concussion which has no relevancy to his size and weight.

 

Really neither of those injuries did.

[uticaclub]

On 5/10/2025 at 1:02 PM, The Jokeman said:

Bowers was also the focal point of the Raiders offense unlike Kincaid. Toss in the Raiders WR beyond Meyers are who? 

That was the Bills; Daltons first year. You had Diggs and then no one. Dont say Gabe Davis who got released after 1 year with his new teams

[Pete]

On 5/6/2025 at 12:17 PM, JPL7 said:

 The idea was he needed to bulk up to handle the physicality of the nfl. He looks so skinny. Did he even look at the weight room since the season ended??

Sean McDermott, the coach of the Buffalo Bills, has spoken about Dalton Kincaid's need to improve his physical presence to "set himself apart" and remain healthy throughout the season. McDermott emphasized the importance of Dalton's strength and health, stating his confidence in Dalton's ability to make those crucial plays. The quote suggests a focus on physical development to ensure Kincaid can contribute consistently and remain available for the full season
 

McDermott has spoken at length about Dalton needs to put on size to help him be a better player and to stay healthy the whole season.  
 

Dalton looks skinnier than last year.  I know, he hurt his knee.  Dalton can still train upper body, and he has top trainers that can train around knee issue, and to strengthen knees.  Getting thicker would definitely make Dalton more effective and durable.  Is he a hard gainer?  Coaches say he trains hard.  I have no clue why Dalton cannot put on muscle, or why he is nowhere near the TE advertised when we traded up and over drafted him.

[Heitz]

On 5/10/2025 at 9:15 AM, Augie said:

 

He seems deliberately obtuse here, and it’s getting old. 

“Deliberately Obtuse” would be a great username for several posters…  

[Pete]

On 5/10/2025 at 1:38 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

LMAO - so your baseline expectation is the greatest rookie season TE maybe ever?  Got it.  
 

Bowers is a generational talent, and for his stats it sure helps that he also plays on a team without a lot of other weapons so he gets featured.  

 

And in Daltons second year he missed games and played hurt. 
 

You're just being ridiculous at this point.  Dalton has plenty to prove still, but you’re again being way over the top dramatic to just be dramatic.

FYI:  Prepare to remain disappointed.  Not only will Kincaid not put those numbers up here for a season, no TE will in this system because we spread the ball around.  Bowers himself would not get enough targets to replicate those numbers here.  

Trey Mcbride 75.7% catch percentage, 2% drop rate 111 catches 1146 yards

 

George Kittle 83% catch percentage, 2.1% drop rate 78 receptions 1106 8 TDs

FF ranked Kittle as the highest-graded tight end in the 2024 season, with a receiving grade of 92.4 and a run-blocking grade of 70.8

 

TJ Hockinson 1.6% drop rate, 73.3% contested catch win rate(Keon has a 37.5%  contested catch rate for comparison), 41 catches 455 yards in 10 games after returning from torn ACL.

 

Njuku  8.2% drop rate, 66% catch rate 64 catches, 505 yards 5 TDs in 11 games

 

Jonnu Smith 2.7% drop rate, 79.3% catch rate, 88 catches, 884 yards, 8 TDs

 

Mark Andrews 2.4% drop rate, 79.7% catch rate,  55 catches., 673 yards 11 TDs

 

Sam LaPorta  1.2 % drop rate 79.7% catch rate 60 catches, 726 yards 7 TDs

 

Tucker Kraft 3.8% drop rate, 77.5% catch rate 50 catches, 707 yards, 7 TDs

 

Pat Friermuth  .36% drop rate, 83.3% catch rate, 65 catches, 653 yards, 7 TDs

 

Isiah Likely 5% drop rate, 72.4% catch rate, 42 catches, 472 yards, 6 TDs

 

Noah Gray 88.5% catch rate, 40 catches, 437 yards, 4 TDs

 

Mike Gesicki 3.6% drop rate 78.3 catch rate, 65 catches, 665 yards, 2 TDs

 

Cole Kmet 1.8% drop rate, 85.5% catch rate, 47 catches, 474 yards, 4 TDs

 

Dalton Kincaid 4.2% drop rate, 44 catches 448 yards 58.7 catch rate,  2 TDs 

 

Dalton Kincaid's drop rate in the 2024 NFL season was 4.2%. This is a slight decrease from his 5.6% drop rate in 2023. His drop rate in the 2024 season was third-worst among tight ends who were targeted at least 80 times

 

I didn't mention Bowers, or Kelce. I bet all of the above are so super impressed with the 10th best rookie TE participation trophy.  Above are numbers real TEs put up.  Most every TE above blocks as well.  Real actual TEs, not TE slot receivers

Edited Sunday at 10:18 PM by Pete

[Alphadawg7]

21 hours ago, Pete said:

Trey Mcbride 75.7% catch percentage, 2% drop rate 111 catches 1146 yards

 

George Kittle 83% catch percentage, 2.1% drop rate 78 receptions 1106 8 TDs

FF ranked Kittle as the highest-graded tight end in the 2024 season, with a receiving grade of 92.4 and a run-blocking grade of 70.8

 

TJ Hockinson 1.6% drop rate, 73.3% contested catch win rate(Keon has a 37.5%  contested catch rate for comparison), 41 catches 455 yards in 10 games after returning from torn ACL.

 

Njuku  8.2% drop rate, 66% catch rate 64 catches, 505 yards 5 TDs in 11 games

 

Jonnu Smith 2.7% drop rate, 79.3% catch rate, 88 catches, 884 yards, 8 TDs

 

Mark Andrews 2.4% drop rate, 79.7% catch rate,  55 catches., 673 yards 11 TDs

 

Sam LaPorta  1.2 % drop rate 79.7% catch rate 60 catches, 726 yards 7 TDs

 

Tucker Kraft 3.8% drop rate, 77.5% catch rate 50 catches, 707 yards, 7 TDs

 

Pat Friermuth  .36% drop rate, 83.3% catch rate, 65 catches, 653 yards, 7 TDs

 

Isiah Likely 5% drop rate, 72.4% catch rate, 42 catches, 472 yards, 6 TDs

 

Noah Gray 88.5% catch rate, 40 catches, 437 yards, 4 TDs

 

Mike Gesicki 3.6% drop rate 78.3 catch rate, 65 catches, 665 yards, 2 TDs

 

Cole Kmet 1.8% drop rate, 85.5% catch rate, 47 catches, 474 yards, 4 TDs

 

Dalton Kincaid 4.2% drop rate, 44 catches 448 yards 58.7 catch rate,  2 TDs 

 

Dalton Kincaid's drop rate in the 2024 NFL season was 4.2%. This is a slight decrease from his 5.6% drop rate in 2023. His drop rate in the 2024 season was third-worst among tight ends who were targeted at least 80 times

 

I didn't mention Bowers, or Kelce. I bet all of the above are so super impressed with the 10th best rookie TE participation trophy.  Above are numbers real TEs put up.  Most every TE above blocks as well.  Real actual TEs, not TE slot receivers

What are you talking about?  Maybe you should sroll back…You literally specifically brought Bowers up to me when I reminded you Kincaid had a pretty good rookie season.  You can’t even keep your rants straight now apparently.  
 

Plus, you are back to just completely over looking he was hurt, missed games, and played hurt most the 2024 season again.
 

You need to go outside and get some sun or something dude.  You’ve just been rage posting for months and now just want to piss and moan about Kincaid the way you’ve been beating that WR dead horse all offseason.  
 

 

Edited Monday at 04:53 PM by Alphadawg7

[Jim]

On 5/10/2025 at 11:21 AM, oldmanfan said:

Are you saying that the only thing that will suit you is to have a guy that sets records like Bowers did?  

 

I know for me one big thing would be making big catches with the biggest games on the line. We know he hasn't done that.

[Doc]

On 5/10/2025 at 11:03 AM, Pete said:

10th most yards for TE rookie is grasping at straws.  Bowers had 112 catches for 1,194 yards, 5 TDs. In two years Dalton has 117 catches for 1121 yards and 4 TDS.  In other words- Bowers has better numbers in one year, then Dalton in 2.  Not the production I want from a first round TE

 

Yeah but Bowers is just 230#...

[oldmanfan]

25 minutes ago, Jim said:

 

I know for me one big thing would be making big catches with the biggest games on the line. We know he hasn't done that.

He should have caught that desperation throw from Josh, but one pass does not make a career.

[Low Positive]

I never want to hear someone here cite the number of catches and yards without the number of targets. Bowers was the ONLY receiving option in LV last year. He was 4th in the league and first amongst TEs in targets with 153 targets. Kincaid had 75. The great Bowers had 1.8 more yards per target than that bum bust Kincaid. And the most important stat? The Raiders won 4 games. The Bills won 13.