Insane stat--if true

[ngbills]

Its the players not McD...

[Einstein]

Just now, MJS said:

KC has this uncanny ability to find a way to win even when they are being outplayed for large portions of a game

It's coaching. And that's not a knock on our coaching. Both staffs are good - there's is just better.

Example: The defensive blitz that Spags called on 4th down was absolutely masterful. Listening to Fitz and Allen and others say that he set the Bills offense up ALL GAME and ALL YEAR for just that *one call* is incredible. He had been showing that same look, over and over and over and over again, for months. But never end blitzed out of it. Because he knew that he would switch it up at the exact moment he needed to.

Contrast that to Joe Brady ... who went back to the well and called the same 4th down concept he has run all year (and KC was prepared for).

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, billsfan714 said:

I saw this on reddit, if its true it truly is insane.

 

I have not checked the stats myself, but I have seen this multiple times and saw some prominent sports media people discuss this before, so I think it is accurate.  

 

Here are some stats that I know are true that certainly support these numbers as well:  In the Bills 4 playoff losses to KC:

1. KC averages 36 PPG against the Bills in the playoffs making 9 total tops over 4 games pretty plausible.
2. KC went on to lose the very next game 3 times in the postseason. 
3. Those 3 seasons, KC scored 35 PPG against Bills just to average 17 PPG in their very next game, all losses.  
4. KC did not score over 30 in any game the entire season and postseason except against the Bills with 32.  
5. KC was down 34-0 in the 3rd quarter, so certainly suggests 9 straight stops in the SB.  

So yeah, I am going to go with almost certainly true, or at the very worst, very close to accurate.

 

But hey...lets not get distracted by facts, stats, and logic, I mean who cares about that stuff right...boring.  Lets get back on track and get back to sensationalism and beating that dead horse yelling about WR's some more  😂

Edited 11 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[billsfan714]

With 3 FA signing on D, 6 draft picks, eventually Sean is going to have to do more with more.   If the season in 25-26 ends the same way, I dont wont to hear about injuries or the usual excuse, well theyre young guys, takes time, etc.  Ive heard it before, its tired and old.   You cant keep milking that excuse bull.  Young guys, dont want to hear it, how many young guys did Spags play the season after 13 seconds?   Injuries, every team has injuries.

[MJS]

16 minutes ago, Einstein said:

It's coaching. And that's not a knock on our coaching. Both staffs are good - there's is just better.

Example: The defensive blitz that Spags called on 4th down was absolutely masterful. Listening to Fitz and Allen and others say that he set the Bills offense up ALL GAME and ALL YEAR for just that *one call* is incredible. He had been showing that same look, over and over and over and over again, for months. But never end blitzed out of it. Because he knew that he would switch it up at the exact moment he needed to.

Contrast that to Joe Brady ... who went back to the well and called the same 4th down concept he has run all year (and KC was prepared for).

I agree to a certain extent, but I think the players fail to execute in those big moments as well. Especially the dline. Rousseau is a good player, but how many impact plays has he managed against KC in the playoffs? Ed Oliver? It isn't just coaching. The players don't meet the moment either.

 

But I do agree on the coaching. That plays a big part. So, the players and their talent need to bridge that gap, because we are never going to have better coaches than them. They are the best. The PLAYERS need to find a way, just like the Eagles did with their superior talent. The Eagles defense didn't do anything crazy schematically. They rushed four and let their super talented defensive line get pressure.

Edited 11 hours ago by MJS

[Prospector]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

It often seems like when one team tries to copy someone else.. in this case the Bills trying to duplicate what the Eagles did to Mahomes, it fails.

 

In large part because Mahomes/Reid will come up with new schemes to offset what the Eagles did.  And we don't have the same personnel no matter how it looks on paper.

 

 

I wouldn't say we are are copying... just improving a glaring deficiency. 

[MJS]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

It often seems like when one team tries to copy someone else.. in this case the Bills trying to duplicate what the Eagles did to Mahomes, it fails.

 

In large part because Mahomes/Reid will come up with new schemes to offset what the Eagles did.  And we don't have the same personnel no matter how it looks on paper.

By copying them, you mean adding more talent and athleticism to the defense, particularly the defensive line? That isn't an Eagles tactic. That is an NFL necessity.

[billsfan714]

22 minutes ago, MJS said:

By copying them, you mean adding more talent and athleticism to the defense, particularly the defensive line? That isn't an Eagles tactic. That is an NFL necessity.

Totally, agree this isn't copying the Eagles, its always been true, see the Giants vs the Pats, etc.

Edited 10 hours ago by billsfan714

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

2 hours ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Didn't we already have top defenses with Josh as our Qb?  These top defenses are included in the (only) 9 stops right?  So yeah last year was bad but what's  the excuse when we were statistically better? Coaching?

Feeding off lesser teams padding stats? We were all there...... we talked about it over and over after every failed season. 

idk but while I have hop for the season I'm also cautious as to believing we're going to be the next eagles on D. 

Yes we have.

 

Beane has reloaded the defense several times in McD's 10 year tenure.

 

So maybe its not the players and McD's scheme ?

 

When we say "Defense" we should be talking about the players and the scheme.  But McD gets a free pass and everyone thinks its just the players.

 

McD gets outcoached every year in the playoffs by Reid and I don't think getting new players will change anything this season.

 

Thats why many of us wanted to upgrade the #1 WR.

Because if we're stuck with McD, then lets see if we can outscore them at least.

[BigAl2526]

I think we all knew Buffalo has struggled to contain KC's offense in the post season.  We had to get bigger and create more pressure up front while getting DBs who can cover on the back end.  I think Buffalo had one decent defensive back in the post season in 2025 (Christian Benford).  The Bills may like Taylor Rapp, but he's always going to have some vulnerabilities that great safeties don't.  And he is the better of the two incumbent starters.  I'm hoping Bishop develops enough to win a starting job It's probably too much to hope that either Darrick Forrest or Jordan Hancock can win the other starting spot at safety.  I'm counting on Hairston to nail down the #2 outside corner spot.

[mannc]

4 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Yes we have.

 

Beane has reloaded the defense several times in McD's 10 year tenure.

 

So maybe its not the players and McD's scheme ?

 

When we say "Defense" we should be talking about the players and the scheme.  But McD gets a free pass and everyone thinks its just the players.

 

McD gets outcoached every year in the playoffs by Reid and I don't think getting new players will change anything this season.

 

Thats why many of us wanted to upgrade the #1 WR.

Because if we're stuck with McD, then lets see if we can outscore them at least.

It is my (admittedly speculative) theory that there is something about the McDermott scheme that leads to our defensive players sustaining far more than the average number of injuries.  I'm not exactly sure what the cause is--perhaps its the reliance on undersized front seven (or front six) players--but it's undeniable that our defense gets ravaged with injuries every year, usually just as the playoffs are getting underway.    

[NastyNateSoldiers]

5 hours ago, mannc said:

To my knowledge, neither plays defense.
 

 And it’s not exactly a newsflash that the Eagles’ defense is better than Buffalo’s.

In a way it is a newsflash considering the Eagles D was 31st in NFL in 2023.

[mannc]

1 minute ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

In a way it is a newsflash considering the Eagles D was 31st in NFL in 2023.

but we were talking about the Eagles' 2024 defense...

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

5 hours ago, billsfan714 said:

I saw this on reddit, if its true it truly is insane.

 

I'll go on a fact checking mission.

 

1st loss

Chiefs had 9 possessions

5 TDs

1 FG

1 Punt

2 end of half

 

2nd loss

Chiefs had 11 possessions

5 TDs

3 FGs

1 missed FG

2 Punts

 

3rd loss

Chiefs had 9 possessions

3 TDs

2 FGs

1 Punt

1 Fumble

2 end of half

 

4th loss

Chiefs had 10 possessions

4 TDs

1 FG

2 Punts

1 Fumble

2 end of half

 

By my count that's only 8 stops by the Bills DEF and not 9 showing in the screenshot. Maybe they are counting the missed FG in game 2 as a defensive stop, or the muffed punt that we recovered in the 1st game. Those are both ST plays so I don't think they should count as DEF stops. I'm not counting any 'end of half' possession as a stop since those were all kneel-downs. 

 

In the SB on the Chiefs first 9 drives they had 6 punts, 2 INTs, and a failed 4th down. 

[DrDawkinstein]

58 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Its the players not McD...

 

It's both.

 

We've had some subpar performances by individual players that have killed us. And we've had some big misses by the coaches which have killed us.

 

Unfortunately, only one can change/improve. So we've drafted a bunch of new players.

[GolfandBills]

But we need a mid round WR!! Waaaa waaaa

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 hours ago, billsfan714 said:

Personally, I think it's an indictment of Sean.   I was all in going hard on defense in the draft.    Have we had massive injuries all 4 times?  D is supposed to be his wheelhouse, I haven't seen when it counts most.  The superbowl also showed it can be done, don't want to hear about excuses.

Careful. You can't criticize McDermott on this board

[WeckMonster]

41 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Yes we have.

 

Beane has reloaded the defense several times in McD's 10 year tenure.

 

So maybe its not the players and McD's scheme ?

 

When we say "Defense" we should be talking about the players and the scheme.  But McD gets a free pass and everyone thinks its just the players.

 

McD gets outcoached every year in the playoffs by Reid and I don't think getting new players will change anything this season.

 

 

It's both. McD is super predictable.  Beane reloads but with versions of the same guy every year.  Big, slow, stiff DEs that don't have the bend or speed to create pressure when it counts (Epenesa, Basham, Rousseau, now Jackson).  Small DTs that get swallowed by power run teams (Oliver, Carter, now Sanders).

 

I'm sure it's partially because it's what McD wants for his scheme.  But these prototypes range from busts to JAGs to 2nd contract but not pro-bowlers.

[shane nelson]

Let's face it, turnovers are the Bills defense's best defense. 

 

[OldNMBillsFan]

Since 2019 the Bills have played 9 playoff games that were not against KC, allowing only 19.2 points per game and having a record of 7-2. Since 2019 the Bills have played 4 playoff games against KC allowing a whopping 35 Points per game and an 0-4 record. The problem with the Defense is against only 1 team. It's significant, over a 15.8 point game swing. It makes me wonder if KC doesn't have someone in the Bills locker room.