The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

[dayman]

Bottom line, we should have taken Worthy even with the injury risk he could have given us that element we’ve been missing ever since John Brown left. However, our guy is ok he’s not a complete bust and should continue to get better.

[NewEra]

16 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

No, it’s not silly. You never hand your rival the exact asset they want. Your comparison to business is not applicable. This isn’t the paper industry where there’s an endless supply of vendors, and it isn’t tech where you can source talent and resources worldwide.

 

The NFL is a closed league with a VERY limited number of assets. Every elite player is scarce, and every opportunity matters. You don’t give that advantage away to your direct rival.

 

And I’ll take it a step further: I will bet you any dollar amount you want, that Beane will never trade with the Chiefs ever again during his Bills tenure. I truly believe he learned his lesson. 

So KC shouldn’t trade with us either….

 

we wanted a 3rd round pick.  They gave it to us.  It’s a two way street

[RobbRiddick]

The thing I hate about this discussion is, every time Worthy gets injured or drops a pass or fumbles we get the "haha, see, we were right to let them have the pick, Coleman is better", then every time he makes any kind of catch the other group come here talking about how he's the greatest wideout alive. 

 

 

[Einstein]

12 minutes ago, NewEra said:

we wanted a 3rd round pick.  They gave it to us.  It’s a two way street

 

It’s a two way street that never should have been ventured down.

 

KC is happy to trade with us because they know they win those trades.

[NewEra]

27 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

It’s a two way street that never should have been ventured down.

 

KC is happy to trade with us because they know they win those trades.

That’s just a ridiculous statement.  It all comes down to the particular players that are eventually drafted and if your FO scouts them correctly.  Beane and his staff isn’t thinking that the Chiefs are better than them are in that respect.   They have confidence in what they are doing.  If not, they shouldn’t and wouldn’t be there.  

 

when the bills were in the clock, they wanted to trade down and get more picks.  If KC is the only team offering us what WE WANT, then you make the deal.  Not trading with a rival because you are giving them what they want is such a weak decision.  It’s all about your team and getting what you want for your team. Have confidence or gtfo

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, ShakAttack said:

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/patrick-mahomes-it-was-huge-to-have-xavier-worthy-back-out-there
 

This was tough to read on so many levels, but most specifically, that we are responsible for the Chiefs having the player that fixed their offense (and morale).

 

So yes, that’s why a Chiefs article is in the Bills forum, because it is unfortunately “Bills related”

Remind me - what did Keon Coleman do against the Ravens?  

[cale]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

That’s just a ridiculous statement.  It all comes down to the particular players that are eventually drafted and if your FO scouts them correctly.  Beane and his staff isn’t thinking that the Chiefs are better than them are in that respect.   They have confidence in what they are doing.  If not, they shouldn’t and wouldn’t be there.  

 

when the bills were in the clock, they wanted to trade down and get more picks.  If KC is the only team offering us what WE WANT, then you make the deal.  Not trading with a rival because you are giving them what they want is such a weak decision.  It’s all about your team and getting what you want for your team. Have confidence or gtfo

And with this logic that is how we've lost to them every single time when it counts. Worthy wiped the floor with us. What do you think that says about our scouting/drafting division of our FO? Their inability to self scout is atrocious. Instead the GM thinks it's a good look to call a radio station and rant. Not saying he isn't the best GM we've had in eons. But until you win against your arch nemesis, sit down and stfu. Spend that time becoming better at your job. It's a game of inches. Work like it.

[PastaJoe]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Remind me - what did Keon Coleman do against the Ravens?  

He’s had less yards combined (91) in the last 3 games than he had against the Ravens. Is he not capable of being a consistent contributor or don’t the coaches believe he can? 🤔

[jkeerie]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Remind me - what did Keon Coleman do against the Ravens?  

Thank you....and Ravens D was at full strength.

[Rochesterfan]

4 minutes ago, PastaJoe said:

He’s had less yards combined (91) in the last 3 games than he had against the Ravens. Is he not capable of being a consistent contributor or don’t the coaches believe he can? 🤔

 

Remind me of what Worthy had in their other 3 games?

[90sBills]

2 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Unless I’m getting my threads confused the post I was replying to was massively dooming about the chiefs. It is a typical spread yes that is kinda my point lol. The betting world does not believe the chiefs are some unstoppable juggernaut based on one game against an absolutely terrible defense. Jags are fine they are on the very low end of good if anything.   

 

I wish I bet more I coulda retired after yesterday lol chiefs over ravens is free money I was saying it all week 

Yeah agreed. You’re not gonna find unstoppable juggernauts in today’s NFL. Any team can be beaten.

 

KC was a great value bet this weekend. 

[Offside Number 76]

4 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Remind me of what Worthy had in their other 3 games?

 

Oh come on.  Like this is anything close to an honest attempt at a discussion.

Edited Monday at 05:08 PM by Offside Number 76

[4merper4mer]

11 minutes ago, PastaJoe said:

He’s had less yards combined (91) in the last 3 games than he had against the Ravens. Is he not capable of being a consistent contributor or don’t the coaches believe he can? 🤔

While pipsqueak Worthy was recovering from an injury.

[sunshynman]

13 minutes ago, PastaJoe said:

He’s had less yards combined (91) in the last 3 games than he had against the Ravens. Is he not capable of being a consistent contributor or don’t the coaches believe he can? 🤔

Everyone eats! Ever since we had to force feed Diggs to keep him happy, the Coaches decide to not play that game anymore!

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, PastaJoe said:

He’s had less yards combined (91) in the last 3 games than he had against the Ravens. Is he not capable of being a consistent contributor or don’t the coaches believe he can? 🤔

 

How many yards does Worthy have this year outside the one Ravens game?  So why are you not going apples to apples and comparing his 1 game to the 1 game Keon played against the same bad defense?

 

Also:

• What OL does KC have and who are the RB's?  Are they as good as James Cook and our OL?  
• What other weapons does KC have compared to the Bills?  

All you are doing is cherry picking something to exaggerate it out to feed a bias.  Worthy has very little target competition in KC right now and a weak running game behind a mediocre OL - meanwhile Buffalo has a dominant running game, has an offense where Josh Allen FREQUENTLY completes passes to 8-9 different targets and runs an offense that literally is rooted in taking the easy underneath stuff by design.  

 

The two situations are not remotely comparable.  If Keon was a Chief, he would probably average 8+ targets a game.  You cant catch the ball when you aren't targeted because your RB in on a tear and leading the NFL and your QB throws to everyone on the team, including even our 3rd string blocking specialist TE.  

 

There is a completely false pretense that because Keon (or insert any WR/TE name here on this team) isn't getting X number of catches per week, they must not be playing well or be open.  But the reality is so many people here still don't understand at all what our offense is, how its being run, etc despite the fact Josh talks about verbatim after almost every game.  Keon and Palmer have been open plenty of times when not getting the ball, but our offense is designed where we run a lot of routes for the intent on getting someone else open and if that guy isn't there Josh checks it down and takes the easy throw.  And Josh has said he is going to keep doing that until they find a way to take that away.  

 

And the only time where we really needed to go away from that, thanks to our bad defense in week 1, we started airing it out and Keon went off - and against the same team and he (and Palmer for that matter) was a critical reason why we won that game.  

 

But Worthy, who was injured again (part of the concerns on him was his slight frame and lack of strength) comes in and has one good game against the same team Keon did and suddenly its all about Worthy again.  Chiefs are looking up at the division and the 1 seed right now, and Worthy not being on the field the first 3 weeks while their actual best WR is suspended didn't help their cause.  Meanwhile, Keon had a big game week 1 and helped set the tone for the season and Bills cease a commanding lead on the 1 seed.  And Josh and Keon were playing pitch and catch out there yesterday, but we just don't call enough of that unfortunately and my bigger concern is how Brady is calling games in critical situations and how long he lets the offense sputter before letting the dogs out of their cages.  

 

[Kirby Jackson]

Man, this conversation will never end. Yes, Worthy is a better player than Keon. He has also gotten dinged and doesn’t have Coleman’s frame. Coleman doesn’t look like a bust. He does look like “a” guy and not “the” guy. Worthy looks like a dynamic playmaker with a frame that is concerning (think prime Desean Jackson).

 

The reality of the 2024 NFL Draft is that the Bills desperately need a WR in a great WR draft. They needed a dude and got a guy. Yes, they would have been better with Worthy or Ladd. They also could have done worse with Legette or AD Mitchell. There is no reason to continue beating this dead horse. They could have done better. They could have done worse. 

[Rocky Landing]

On 9/14/2025 at 3:24 AM, unbillievable said:

Coleman had a 70% contested catch rate in college. It was the reason he was drafted. Obviously the guy isn't going to outrun many in the NFL.  If we're hoping that he develops into a route runner, McConkey or Pearsal would have been a better choice. 

 

Last year he was charted at 36% rate. After week 1? 

 

Yes, I'm happy he had a good game, but he's not doing what he was drafted to do, which is catch the ball when he (and everyone else) is covered. I'm just tired of watching balls bounce off this guy, especially in the redzone where Josh is guaranteed to give Coleman a shot at a 50/50 ball.

 

He's young. He has time. 

 

 

What I'm excited to see him do more... 0m32s, 1m21s, 1m37s, 4m47s (TD), 6m49s, 7m16s (jumpball TD). 

It's unrealistic to expect Coleman to have anywhere near the contested catch rate he had in college. To my eyes, the biggest improvement we've seen from Keon is his ability to get open, and get separation-- something some on here have said he would never do. Four games into the season, he has a 77.3% completion rate on 22 targets. Comparing that to his '24 rate of 43.9%, I'd say he's made some serious improvements in his game.

[Success]

1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said:

The thing I hate about this discussion is, every time Worthy gets injured or drops a pass or fumbles we get the "haha, see, we were right to let them have the pick, Coleman is better", then every time he makes any kind of catch the other group come here talking about how he's the greatest wideout alive. 

 

 

 

This whole discussion is an excellent microcosm of what the sports commentary world has become.  We almost need a better term than "hot take" - saying a take is hot still implies that there is any thought involved.

 

I don't think this thread will ever go away.  It will get bumped according to what you wrote above - from people on both sides of the question, depending on how Sunday went for both players.

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

21 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Man, this conversation will never end. Yes, Worthy is a better player than Keon. He has also gotten dinged and doesn’t have Coleman’s frame. Coleman doesn’t look like a bust. He does look like “a” guy and not “the” guy. Worthy looks like a dynamic playmaker with a frame that is concerning (think prime Desean Jackson).

 

The reality of the 2024 NFL Draft is that the Bills desperately need a WR in a great WR draft. They needed a dude and got a guy. Yes, they would have been better with Worthy or Ladd. They also could have done worse with Legette or AD Mitchell. There is no reason to continue beating this dead horse. They could have done better. They could have done worse. 

 

To be fair to coleman... he has more yards and catches on fewer targets than ladd so far this year.  Ladd's also 3rd on his team in targets despite leading all Chargers pass catchers in snaps.  His statistical impact may be affected by sharing slot snaps with keenan allen. 

 

There will be some movement there, and i still expect he leads his team in targets, catches, and yards by the end of the year - but the thought that he was a superstar WR might be overblown.  

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

To be fair to coleman... he has more yards and catches on fewer targets than ladd so far this year.  Ladd's also 3rd on his team in targets despite leading all Chargers pass catchers in snaps.  His statistical impact may be affected by sharing slot snaps with keenan allen. 

 

There will be some movement there, and i still expect he leads his team in targets, catches, and yards by the end of the year - but the thought that he was a superstar WR might be overblown.  

It’s more of a function of Johnston looking like the 1st rounder than a JAG. Ladd may never be a star but can be a rich man’s Edelman. He’s much more explosive than most slots. To your point though, he hasn’t done much yet this year.