The Worthy Trade Keeps Looking Worse and Worse

[corta765]

15 hours ago, Billl said:

Not sure I follow.  He played over 900 snaps last season, and now they’re talking about having him return punts as well.  Nothing about that strikes me as a team being afraid to use him. What am I missing?

Bills fans being nut jobs, nothing out of the norm move along lol

[MJS]

14 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Let’s be honest, it’s not just Bills fans that dump on the Bills Coaching and FO decision making. Extremely poor day 1 drafting (except JA) and critical play calls have crushed championship runs.  Bills fans want for JA (and tbenselves) what the Chiefs and Eagles have. 

No, it is pretty much just Bills fans.

[nedboy7]

Yeah I think with Worthy we would win the SB every year. 

[Albany,n.y.]

13 hours ago, The Red King said:

 

You made my point.  I was never down on Josh.  I saw the same flashes.  But, onto your memory, do you remember these forums that year, calling him "Wrong Josh" and a bust?

 

The point to my reply was that a year is nowhere near enough time to fully evaluate a draft pick.

It may not be enough for fans, but often it is enough for the team's management who see the guy in practice every day.  Arizona couldn't wait to dump Josh Rosen after his rookie year.  I'm guessing the thing that got Kingsbury the HC job was he wanted to install an offense that wasn't suited to Josh Rosen (although it turned out no NFL offense was).  Marrone was basically done with EJ after his rookie year & quit as soon as Orton did instead of coaching EJ another season.   

[NoSaint]

53 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Right. So the reason he wasn’t returning punts last year was because of injury concerns as those other two weren’t around. It really isn’t that complicated. 

with him having 900 snaps and very limited depth remaining at WR

[90sBills]

25 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

with him having 900 snaps and very limited depth remaining at WR

Yes. So they’d risk more exposure if they had put him on punt returns. This season they can afford to do that because of other guys returning. 
 

That was my original point of the coaching staff not wanting him to return punts last year because they couldn’t afford to lose him. And how would they potentially lose him if he returned punts? Injury concerns. 

 

Why are we still going round and round on this? 

[Billl]

1 hour ago, corta765 said:

Bills fans being nut jobs, nothing out of the norm move along lol

Well I’m just glad that Chiefs fans are immune to that. 😀

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, 90sBills said:

Yes. So they’d risk more exposure if they had put him on punt returns. This season they can afford to do that because of other guys returning. 
 

That was my original point of the coaching staff not wanting him to return punts last year because they couldn’t afford to lose him. And how would they potentially lose him if he returned punts? Injury concerns. 

 

Why are we still going round and round on this? 

I think it’s just a matter of is he an injury risk in a unique way, or is it just basic risk management of it being a huge drop off 

 

Josh isn’t an injury risk, in general but you protect him because of the drop 

 

in this case I don’t think the worry was hugely worthys injury risk so much as the room being depleted and only putting so much on a young guys plate 

[90sBills]

22 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I think it’s just a matter of is he an injury risk in a unique way, or is it just basic risk management of it being a huge drop off 

 

Josh isn’t an injury risk, in general but you protect him because of the drop 

 

in this case I don’t think the worry was hugely worthys injury risk so much as the room being depleted and only putting so much on a young guys plate 

I agree with this. Is this all of it? That’s where I differ. Him being 160lbs is a factor in my imo. It (injury) hasn’t happened doesn’t mean it can’t and won’t. Just from a logical standpoint a guy that’s 190lb could take more of a hit than a slighter guy at 160lb.

 

I do think he could be electric as a punt returner with his speed. It’ll be interesting to see what happens. 

[90sBills]

4 hours ago, corta765 said:

Bills fans being nut jobs, nothing out of the norm move along lol

Or Chiefs fans being overly sensitive at even the slightest suggestion that Worthy is a small guy that could get hurt. 

[SoTier]

4 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

It may not be enough for fans, but often it is enough for the team's management who see the guy in practice every day.  Arizona couldn't wait to dump Josh Rosen after his rookie year.  I'm guessing the thing that got Kingsbury the HC job was he wanted to install an offense that wasn't suited to Josh Rosen (although it turned out no NFL offense was).  Marrone was basically done with EJ after his rookie year & quit as soon as Orton did instead of coaching EJ another season.   

 

I don't think that I would hold up the Arizona FO and coaching staff or the pre-McDermott/Beane Bills FO and coaches as organizations to copy.  In fact, doing just opposite -- giving draft picks, especially high draft picks, time to develop -- is a hallmark of good organizations.

[YoloinOhio]

This seems very much like it should be left in 2024

[Albany,n.y.]

39 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

I don't think that I would hold up the Arizona FO and coaching staff or the pre-McDermott/Beane Bills FO and coaches as organizations to copy.  In fact, doing just opposite -- giving draft picks, especially high draft picks, time to develop -- is a hallmark of good organizations.

They had horrible scouts & it didn't take the coaching staffs long to figure they had drafted a QB bust.  You can't develop a guy who sucks, and it's usually the coaching staff that sees the guy more than anyone else, practicing all week, that realizes the guy has nothing long before the fans who see him once a week, at best, do.  Even the worst coaches know a player who has nothing.   

[TheWeatherMan]

12 hours ago, MJS said:

No, it is pretty much just Bills fans.

Do a quick google search, you might be surprised what the world looks like from underneath that rock.

5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

This seems very much like it should be left in 2024

Like the Mahomes talk should have ended in 2017.