Is it time to move on from McDermott?

[Billsfanatic8989]

4 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

He is the luckiest man in sports. Walked his way into the best QB of this generation and possibly top 5 of all time.
 

Not bad for a defensive minded head coach who only loses the big games because the defense absolutely craps all over another stellar Allen performance. Without Josh, McD was a two-three season NFL head coach. 
 

And don’t even bring up the fact that he made the playoffs with Tyrod. If not for a freak Andy Dalton Miracle, that season also ends with an audible thud. 
 

Sure, he’s a “nice guy.” And at my company, if that’s all someone can say about you, it’s time to sharpen up the resume. 

You are making him sound worse than he is. He is a good HC. Great QB or not, he helped change the culture. 

 

I'm definitely not against a change. But they can't get desperate and hire an inexperienced guy. The only HC I thought suited the Bills best was Belichick. But he's in North Carolina.

 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 03:02 AM by Billsfanatic8989

[DaVinci]

 Babich and MCD

[FireChans]

10 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

No way. Then we'd have his JAGoff son calling our defense, and that young nurse of his running our front office.

What is the worst that could happen?

 

Still have far and away the best HC/QB combo in the division and win 11+ games and not win a Super Bowl?

 

Feels like that’s where we are now

[OldNMBillsFan]

I have posted this before. I will again. Since 2019 the Bills have played 9 playoff games that were not against KC, allowing only 19.2 points per game and having a record of 7-2. Since 2019 the Bills have played 4 playoff games against KC allowing a whopping 35 Points per game and an 0-4 record. The problem with the Defense is against only 1 team. It's significant, over a 15.8 point game swing. 

[DJB]

26 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Who would be the new HC? Harbaugh went to the Chargers. Payton is in Denver. Ben Johnson in Chicago. None of those guys are getting fired. 

 

Belichick is never returning to the league. 

 

Options are limited.

 

 

Promote Brady and pick a new d coordinator 

 

We need an offensive HC that can stick with Josh and a competent defensive coordinator 

[GASabresIUFan]

Wow!  So we should fire McD because the team is 4-0?  

 

How many people calling for McD to be fired also wanted Cook traded and argued Davis was just a good?  

 

Who are you going to replace McD with?  I hear Rex Ryan and Doug Marrone are looking for work.

 

I'm not sure that there are many coaches who would be undefeated with nearly 50% of their starting D injured or suspended.   

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, OldNMBillsFan said:

I have posted this before. I will again. Since 2019 the Bills have played 9 playoff games that were not against KC, allowing only 19.2 points per game and having a record of 7-2. Since 2019 the Bills have played 4 playoff games against KC allowing a whopping 35 Points per game and an 0-4 record. The problem with the Defense is against only 1 team. It's significant, over a 15.8 point game swing. 

And like keeps being said when we were 0-2 against KC and 0-3 against KC and 0-4 against KC, KC isn’t going anywhere.

1 minute ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Wow!  So we should fire McD because the team is 4-0?  

 

How many people calling for McD to be fired also wanted Cook traded and argued Davis was just a good?  

 

Who are you going to replace McD with?  I hear Rex Ryan and Doug Marrone are looking for work.

 

I'm not sure that there are many coaches who would be undefeated with nearly 50% of their starting D injured or suspended.   

We are missing 2 starters. Oliver and Milano.

 

Hairston didn’t beat out Tre for the starting CB spot.

the suspended players aren’t going to be full time starters.

 

Unless we somehow start 6 DL players, this take makes no sense. 

[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, OldNMBillsFan said:

I have posted this before. I will again. Since 2019 the Bills have played 9 playoff games that were not against KC, allowing only 19.2 points per game and having a record of 7-2. Since 2019 the Bills have played 4 playoff games against KC allowing a whopping 35 Points per game and an 0-4 record. The problem with the Defense is against only 1 team. It's significant, over a 15.8 point game swing. 

Horrible take. We perform well defensively against Mac Jones, Skyler Thompson, Mason Rudolph, Bo Nix etc. 

 

QB’s in the wild card round. We fail against any offense that has a pulse. Bengals, Colts, Ravens, Chiefs. It’s not just a Chiefs issue. 

[nedboy7]

Is it time for me to buy a 2 million dollar home?

[folz]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

And like keeps being said when we were 0-2 against KC and 0-3 against KC and 0-4 against KC, KC isn’t going anywhere.

We are missing 2 starters. Oliver and Milano.

 

Hairston didn’t beat out Tre for the starting CB spot.

the suspended players aren’t going to be full time starters.

 

Unless we somehow start 6 DL players, this take makes no sense. 

 

You're right, players (rookies and 2nd year guys) never improve with more experience and more reps. Defenses never improve as the year goes on. Adding decent players to the rotations won't add anything. Yeah, let's write off our first round pick already...I mean he hasn't even seen the field yet this year (Bust). And yeah, it's only two players out, shouldn't make a difference. Oliver and Milano don't bring anything special to the game. This defense sucks and it always will, there is no hope for improvement ever. Coaches and players don't learn and get better. Other top coaches never, ever make mistakes---but McD would throw away every single game with piles of mistakes if Josh didn't bail him out every single time. All these Homer fans with their excuses.

 

I can't ever forgive McD for 13 seconds. I don't care that he's 16th in win % of all coaches who have ever coached in the league, or that it's the best win % ever by a Bills Head Coach.  I don't care that we held our last three opponents to an average of 16.6 points (when the league average for points per game surrendered is 22 points) and that we won each of those games by double digits (despite almost 60% of NFL games being one-score games). I mean, if I was coaching, we'd win by like 40 points each week and we'd have like 10 Super Bowls already. I mean that's how good Josh Allen is (even though he's only played 7 years). I mean, how can a coach not win with an MVP-caliber QB, maybe McD should try to learn a little from John Harbaugh.

 

I mean if you're not willing to fire your coach after a 4-0 start, after going 13-4 with an AFC Championship game appearance (that the refs screwed us in), and winning your division and making the playoffs each of the last 5 years, then you're just some pie-in-the-sky homer that can't see reality, that can't see the facts of the situation.

[Bookie Man]

McD is a good leader of men and I think he's a quality HC. But he needs to get a Jim Schwartz type hire and be hands off. We need to get bigger and more physical on D. Pretty much any team can run at will on us if they commit to it. They rely too much on turnovers. Can't get any heat with front 4. Maybe we're overreacting. Saints only put up 19. Not terrible. But the defense just isn't passing the eye test at this point. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Absolutely not , you guys are ridiculous

 

 

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

Horrible take. We perform well defensively against Mac Jones, Skyler Thompson, Mason Rudolph, Bo Nix etc. 

 

QB’s in the wild card round. We fail against any offense that has a pulse. Bengals, Colts, Ravens, Chiefs. It’s not just a Chiefs issue. 

Yep. 

[Big Blitz]

I see nothing but personnel problems.  
 

Slow.  No CB2.  Taron has lost a step.  We stink against the run.  Our safeties feature a solid 22 year old athlete still learning, and an average slow vet who at least knows what he’s doing he’s just slow.   
 

The D line is a case of quantity is not better then quality.  And it’s unfair to ask 2 rookies to make a significant impact at least now.  Daquan is not as good.  And AJ is just Chris Kelsey.   
 

Bosa is still awesome.  Rousseau is solid.  Ed is important.  
 

And that’s that.  Against good olines and QBs we look below average to bad.  Good enough to win 11-13 regular season games means nothing to me when we go into the playoffs and all I’ll be thinking is Josh needs to be Superman or team that has the ball last wins.  
 

 

Currently this unit isn’t close to the 2019-2023 defenses McD had.  Not fast.  Not physical.  And we’ve poured a lot of draft capital into it since 2022.   
 

What it does have is a good collective IQ - TB, CB, Tre, Rousseau, Rapp, Bishop, and Milano - all high football IQ guys.    

[FireChans]

6 hours ago, folz said:

 

You're right, players (rookies and 2nd year guys) never improve with more experience and more reps. Defenses never improve as the year goes on. Adding decent players to the rotations won't add anything. Yeah, let's write off our first round pick already...I mean he hasn't even seen the field yet this year (Bust). And yeah, it's only two players out, shouldn't make a difference. Oliver and Milano don't bring anything special to the game. This defense sucks and it always will, there is no hope for improvement ever. Coaches and players don't learn and get better. Other top coaches never, ever make mistakes---but McD would throw away every single game with piles of mistakes if Josh didn't bail him out every single time. All these Homer fans with their excuses.

 

I can't ever forgive McD for 13 seconds. I don't care that he's 16th in win % of all coaches who have ever coached in the league, or that it's the best win % ever by a Bills Head Coach.  I don't care that we held our last three opponents to an average of 16.6 points (when the league average for points per game surrendered is 22 points) and that we won each of those games by double digits (despite almost 60% of NFL games being one-score games). I mean, if I was coaching, we'd win by like 40 points each week and we'd have like 10 Super Bowls already. I mean that's how good Josh Allen is (even though he's only played 7 years). I mean, how can a coach not win with an MVP-caliber QB, maybe McD should try to learn a little from John Harbaugh.

 

I mean if you're not willing to fire your coach after a 4-0 start, after going 13-4 with an AFC Championship game appearance (that the refs screwed us in), and winning your division and making the playoffs each of the last 5 years, then you're just some pie-in-the-sky homer that can't see reality, that can't see the facts of the situation.

Folz around January 30th

 

”who could believe that the Bills would fall to 0-5 vs the Chiefs in the postseason and the defense would get shredded again, maybe a few more 90% defensive offseasons with McD’s right hand man picking all the players he wants will change it!”

[GaryPinC]

6 hours ago, folz said:

 

You're right, players (rookies and 2nd year guys) never improve with more experience and more reps. Defenses never improve as the year goes on. Adding decent players to the rotations won't add anything. Yeah, let's write off our first round pick already...I mean he hasn't even seen the field yet this year (Bust). And yeah, it's only two players out, shouldn't make a difference. Oliver and Milano don't bring anything special to the game. This defense sucks and it always will, there is no hope for improvement ever. Coaches and players don't learn and get better. Other top coaches never, ever make mistakes---but McD would throw away every single game with piles of mistakes if Josh didn't bail him out every single time. All these Homer fans with their excuses.

 

I can't ever forgive McD for 13 seconds. I don't care that he's 16th in win % of all coaches who have ever coached in the league, or that it's the best win % ever by a Bills Head Coach.  I don't care that we held our last three opponents to an average of 16.6 points (when the league average for points per game surrendered is 22 points) and that we won each of those games by double digits (despite almost 60% of NFL games being one-score games). I mean, if I was coaching, we'd win by like 40 points each week and we'd have like 10 Super Bowls already. I mean that's how good Josh Allen is (even though he's only played 7 years). I mean, how can a coach not win with an MVP-caliber QB, maybe McD should try to learn a little from John Harbaugh.

 

I mean if you're not willing to fire your coach after a 4-0 start, after going 13-4 with an AFC Championship game appearance (that the refs screwed us in), and winning your division and making the playoffs each of the last 5 years, then you're just some pie-in-the-sky homer that can't see reality, that can't see the facts of the situation.

All or none.  So many want to only look at it this way.

 

McDermott has needed to change his approach to defense.  Too many marginal starters entrenched until the backup shows out in practice.   An inflexible defensive system that can't adjust to Pat Mahomes end-arounds in the AFCCG.

 

Let's be patient with McDermott. 

McDermott warned us before the season the D would be a work in progress early season due to all the rookies and inexperienced playing.  Rookie D-linemen typically take 2-3 years to develop.   I think anyone can see Deone Walker's development needs to be pushed as he will be a difference maker for us.

 

According to McDermott, he sat Codrington and gave Strong (Benford's backup) some game reps instead of Tre this week, even letting Tre know in advance.  Said he wanted to give the backups a chance to compete,  make sure the starter is still our best option.

 

This is the type of continuous improvement I want to see out of McDermott. 

 

When our suspended D-linemen come back, does Walker continue to get significant snaps?  He damn well better,  push his development to be a difference maker in the playoffs. 

 

As the D settles in, does he get creative with stunts and blitzes in big moments of close games?

 

If he does all this and our D fails, then we point the finger at Beane and the scouts.  But I'm very happy to see the changes this season already with McD.

[HIT BY SPIKES]

I have been ready to move on long ago.

 

By far he is THE biggest question mark to the Bills winning the Super Bowl.

 

I want to apologize right now if the above offends anyone who owns and wears a pair of McD's pjs.

[TH3]

8 hours ago, FireChans said:

What is the worst that could happen?

 

Still have far and away the best HC/QB combo in the division and win 11+ games and not win a Super Bowl?

 

Feels like that’s where we are now

Living up to your user name

[Mark80]

10 hours ago, DJB said:

McDermott continues to have the same issues over and over and over again. Incapable of building and having a championship D despite most of our resources year after year being poured into the D

 

How can a supposed defensive mastermind go through coordinators faster than grandma changes her wet underwear and yet still continues to yield poor results? 
 

We still can’t tackle or stop the run every single season . We can’t stop 3rd and long . 
 

The D simply isn’t good enough and that falls on McDermott. 
 

For having a supposed defensive HC why don’t we get any benefits on the defensive side of the ball?

And don’t get me started on the timeouts and challenges . 
 

Make it make sense for me

 

If it wasn’t for Josh Allen bailing him out every single week there would be a much stronger drum beat to fire McDermott. Josh saves Mcdermotts butt constantly 

 

Less than 300 yards allowed the last 3 games.  Lol.  10, 21, 19 points allowed the last 3 games.  I mean, you could post this crap after the Ravens game, sure, but now is not the time.  We are the only undefeated team in the conference.  2 games clear of the Chiefs and 4 games clear of the Ravens.  How people can be complaining at this time is beyond me.  The Chargers just lost to the Giants, the GIANTS, without Nabors, and they are supposed to be a contender as well.  Fire Harbaugh I guess, he hasn't won a SuperBowl.

Edited Monday at 11:49 AM by Mark80

[T.E.]

8 hours ago, DJB said:

Promote Brady and pick a new d coordinator 

Brady is probably a bigger problem than McDermott, to be honest.