GunnerBill Posted Tuesday at 01:02 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:02 PM 1 hour ago, PoundingDog said: A lot of it is on coaching. Ed's role is penetrating at 3-tech. The Ravens said, go ahead and penetrate, but we'll wham block you with their 300 lb FB while Henry runs right by on the other side of the FB. It happened over and over again. Yep. Their entire gameplan was about neutralising the Bills Dline. Sometimes you just have to applaud the other team and say - excellent gameplan, executed excellently. And the Ravens did that on Sunday. They neutralised what on paper looked like our advantage and maximised what on paper looked like theirs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted Tuesday at 01:03 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:03 PM 19 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Oliver was a top 10 pick. Metcalf was a second round pick. It was Cody Ford over DK Metcalf and not Oliver over DK Metcalf. I wanted the Bills to get Jeffrey Simmons in that draft. I thought the Bills could move back, get more draft capital and still get Simmons due to his injury. Definitely wanted Metcalf. Remember he couldn't run the route tree??😎😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted Tuesday at 01:08 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:08 PM 1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said: I wanted the Bills to get Jeffrey Simmons in that draft. I thought the Bills could move back, get more draft capital and still get Simmons due to his injury. Definitely wanted Metcalf. Remember he couldn't run the route tree??😎😂 I mean.... he still can't. He runs 3 routes. Now he is outstanding in those situations. But the lack of a route tree knock on him was totally legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted Tuesday at 01:09 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:09 PM 4 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: He was getting wham blocked all night. Can you imagine Ed Oliver in a spy? Sometimes I think you just comment without watching the game I was talking about on passing downs. And he was executing a coaching directive by working a contain role for almost the entire first half. The Bills staff didn't adjust until almost the end of the second quarter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted Tuesday at 01:11 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:11 PM 19 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Agreed. Ed has always been an up and down guy. To be fair where has Rousseau been since his 3 sack game to start the year?? Henry ran right past him as he was blocked by the RT on the 87 yard TD. Greg is doing his typical dance. Start the year strong and then disappear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted Tuesday at 01:13 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:13 PM 2 minutes ago, Simon said: I was talking about on passing downs. And he was executing a coaching directive by working a contain role for almost the entire first half. The Bills staff didn't adjust until almost the end of the second quarter. This coaching staff definitely failed the team for sure, 100%! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted Tuesday at 01:19 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:19 PM 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I mean.... he still can't. He runs 3 routes. Now he is outstanding in those situations. But the lack of a route tree knock on him was totally legit. It's the over analyzing that's the problem!! Those 3 routes that he do run are 3 that the Bills are missing. His size and speed at WR was what the Bills needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoundingDog Posted Tuesday at 02:47 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:47 PM 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Their entire gameplan was about neutralising the Bills Dline On that first Henry TD, they let Oliver in wham blocked to inside. Rousseau probably had the responsibility of edge containment in case Henry or Lamar goes outside. Dorian saw the hole but was taken by the tackle and the Guard sealed off Baylon. The WR came up blocked Rapp who tried to firing into the hole. The free guys are Douglas and Damar. Douglas is probably the biggest culprit not wanting to getting in there directly in Henry's path; Damar just took a bad angle. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted Tuesday at 02:52 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:52 PM 3 minutes ago, PoundingDog said: On that first Henry TD, they let Oliver in wham blocked to inside. Rousseau probably had the responsibility of edge containment in case Henry or Lamar goes outside. Dorian saw the hole but was taken by the tackle and the Guard sealed off Baylon. The WR came up blocked Rapp who tried to firing into the hole. The free guys are Douglas and Damar. Douglas is probably the biggest culprit not wanting to getting in there directly in Henry's path; Damar just took a bad angle. Yea it was pretty consistent all day. They used the Bills aggressiveness against them and got OL players to the send level onto our backup linebackers. That wasn't accidental. It was very well planned. The Ravens outcoached us and outplayed us. The offensive plan, especially first half, was masterful from Todd Monken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted Tuesday at 03:00 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:00 PM 19 hours ago, JohnNord said: He wasn’t always in a spy role. Don’t be fooled Oliver had a bad game, as did DaQuan and the rest of the DL. Here he gets blasted out of the picture on this wham block. Reminds me of the Indy game from a few years back. Oliver did get taken out by the Wham block, but Dorian Williams was the main issue on that play. He got sucked in by the trap movement to his right and vacated the hole Henry ran through. (A Wham run to the offense’s right looks a lot like a Trap run to their left.) I’ll look at Oliver’s play when I can stomach the All22 so I don’t know what it was like yet, but this was a weird play to call him out for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted Tuesday at 03:01 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:01 PM 1 hour ago, Simon said: I was talking about on passing downs. And he was executing a coaching directive by working a contain role for almost the entire first half. The Bills staff didn't adjust until almost the end of the second quarter. Adjusting the D late in the 2nd quarter may be a first for McD. He usually never adjusts defensively until halftime, that's one of my biggest gripes with him. It worked vs Arizona because the game wasn't out of hand, but in games like this week it's too little-too late. Why not make adjustments on the fly, like every other defensive coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted Tuesday at 03:01 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:01 PM Maybe Ol T-Rex arms just isn't good enough. Definitely not worth his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted Tuesday at 03:06 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:06 PM Every game where we face a "beat up O-Line" we consistently put up putrid numbers. It's like clockwork. It's not just Oliver, everyone on the line was bad Sunday night. I don't know if there's much to glean from it really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoundingDog Posted Tuesday at 05:07 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:07 PM 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: but Dorian Williams was the main issue on that pla Not sure he's main culprit. Once Ed "successfully" penetrated (The Raven probably allowed that), Williams actually diagnosed correctly that it's a run and stepped forward. But the Ravens had plan for him - an O-lineman shot thru the gap Ed vacated and waited for Williams. If Williams beat the O-Lineman, it would be a play "above the scheme". I don't know any Bills LB of the last 10 years is capable of semi-consistent "above the scheme" play to be honest, but I do admit Bernard and Milano occasionally able to use quickness to beat the lineman to the hole. On the other side of the hole, The Ravens had one receiver facing Douglas and Rapp and he correctly chose to engage Rapp. So a scheme play here should be Douglas going into the hole to interfere Henry if not tackling him down outright, until the help, Damar, joining in. The result, based on the scheme, would be a good play for the Ravens like 10 yard or so. But neither Douglas nor Damar laid a hand on Henry. This is not unique to Bills. I've said we need some guys who can play "above the scheme" and right now there is none on defense. If Chiefs Chris Jones were in Rousseau's position, one-on-one against an O-lineman, he might've tossed the guy aside and made the play directly on Henry. So everything could've gone wrong like we saw for the Bills on this play but one guy capable going above the scheme play saves all. That, my man, is the difference between the Chiefs and the Bills of the last few years in my opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted Tuesday at 05:11 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:11 PM (edited) 21 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: 🎵Bonanza🎶 If anyone fights any one of us He's gonna fight with me Hoss and Joe and Ed all know Every rock and pine No one works, fights, or eats Like those boys of mine Here we stand in the middle of a grand - 🎵Bonanza🎶 Edited Tuesday at 05:20 PM by Ridgewaycynic2013 Added the 'Bonanza' song. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted Tuesday at 07:03 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:03 PM On 9/30/2024 at 1:17 PM, ProcessImproverMan said: To think we could have had Metcalf in that draft. Imagine Allen with an actual stud like him.... After an All-Pro season, we lose one game, with the coaching and every single defensive player and O -lineman playing like sissy’s, you start talking about who we should have drafted 5 years ago?. People lose interest in forums like this because of these posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted Tuesday at 07:37 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 07:37 PM 33 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: People lose interest in forums like this because of these posts. See ya! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted Tuesday at 08:19 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:19 PM 5 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Oliver did get taken out by the Wham block, but Dorian Williams was the main issue on that play. He got sucked in by the trap movement to his right and vacated the hole Henry ran through. (A Wham run to the offense’s right looks a lot like a Trap run to their left.) I’ll look at Oliver’s play when I can stomach the All22 so I don’t know what it was like yet, but this was a weird play to call him out for. There’s a few issues on this play and Oliver is only part of it - I think the bigger problem is that he has a way of just disappearing in big games. Far too often he’s had a stat line on 0’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted Tuesday at 08:21 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:21 PM 7 hours ago, Simon said: I was talking about on passing downs. And he was executing a coaching directive by working a contain role for almost the entire first half. The Bills staff didn't adjust until almost the end of the second quarter. Not that I'm doubting you but how would you know this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted Tuesday at 09:33 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:33 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, JohnNord said: There’s a few issues on this play and Oliver is only part of it - I think the bigger problem is that he has a way of just disappearing in big games. Far too often he’s had a stat line on 0’s Oliver seems to have developed into an above average player overall, but he’s limited in the run game. He’s undersized and uses quickness to get by OLmen. It is what it is. Again, I don’t think this play was on him. I think it was on Williams and/or the safety (Hamlin?). Edited Tuesday at 09:35 PM by BarleyNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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