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3 minutes ago, Pete said:

$120 million Von blew out his knee.  That could happen to Aiuk.  I don’t like being against the cap, nor does Beane.  Give me two WR from the greatest WR draft ever.  Many sub 4.4 guys, big guys, great hands- whatever flavor WR you like is available.  Give me 2 WR from all time greatest class.  4 year rookie contracts.  Then we have $ to sign free agents, without giving up precious assets 

Using that logic no team should ever make a trade. 

 

However 

 

If the Bills want to trade up early in the 2nd Round to draft two of 

 

Xavier Worthy

Adonai Mitchell

Xaiver Legette

Keon Coleman

Ladd McConkey

Troy Franklin

 

maybe

 

Ja'Lynn Polk

Roman Wilson

 

 

With their 28 and early 2nd round pick. I'm all for that as well.

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5 hours ago, TonyBeets said:

We need a 1, not a 2.  Slim pickings I know, I'd rather take our chances drafting one.

 

I'm not saying whether the Bills should pursue him or not but Aiyuk's definitely a number one... he relegated Deebo Samuel to number 2 and his already huge numbers from last year (75 receptions 1341 yards 17.6 YPR 7 TDs) would explode if he were to transition to Josh Allen from Brock Purdy.

 

Those who closely watch the Niners and the NFL know without a doubt that Aiyuk is a number one receiver.

 

He's just not yet a household name.

 

5 hours ago, Kaenon said:

Aiyuk is a beast and is a #1.

 

Undoubtedly.

 

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6 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

I'm not saying whether the Bills should pursue him or not but Aiyuk's definitely a number one... he relegated Deebo Samuel to number 2 and his already huge numbers from last year (75 receptions 1341 yards 17.6 YPR 7 TDs) would explode if he were to transition to Josh Allen from Brock Purdy.

 

Those who closely watch the Niners and the NFL know without a doubt that Aiyuk is a number one receiver.

 

He's just not yet a household name.

 

 

Undoubtedly.

 

He’s a number 1 for sure. Dude is incredible. Projecting how he fits into our office is tough though coming from the much better Shanahan scheme where everyone is open every single play. But I’d give up a 1st for him now and not think twice. Tired of Josh not having weapons to work with. 

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5 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I don't think the Bills would have to pay him big money right away.  It's part of what makes Aiyuk attractive, his first year here would be a reasonable salary.  The Bills could structure it for a multi-year contract with guaranteed money for later years.  The real benefit is the reduction of risk in the 2024 season.

 

I think the FO would really have to figure out Aiyuk's fit here though - culture/diva wise.  It's not a good look forcing his way out of SF and we just went through it.

 

Getting Rookies and penciling them in as pretty much WR1-ish is riskier than we have seen out of Beane in the past.  But if the Bills can do it and go with rookies it really transitions this team to a Josh lead juggernaut.  Getting the likes of McConkey/K Coleman/T Franklin/Legette would solidify Josh as the leader of this team and get the team with an offense that has a core that will be together for multiple years (Kincaid/Cook/Shakir/rookie WR).

 

Based on the things Aiyuk himself has said, I think the bolded is incorrect.

 

He wants to be paid big money, now. 

 

5 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

It will be 80-100 million more expensive for next 4 years of Aiyuk though 

 

It'll be expensive for sure.

 

4 hours ago, Mat68 said:

His contract is why he is available.  That would be part of the deal and possibly how they lower compensation.  His yard per catch and target are very high.  Would be a #1 on this offense and has big play ability.  

 

Yes. If he was happy with his contract he wouldn't be rumored to be going elsewhere.

 

2 hours ago, HaldimandBills said:

You've been gifted a ton of cap space. Do something with it while 8 of your 11 offensive players are cost controlled. Knox can be released in 2026 and there is more money.

 

IM DONE WASTING ALLENS PRIME YEARS. That's all we did with Diggs. we surrounded him with subpar talent and it got us nowhere. You have a chance to load up the offensive roster. Freaking do it. 

 

How were the Bills gifted a ton of cap space?

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Based on the things Aiyuk himself has said, I think the bolded is incorrect.

 

He wants to be paid big money, now. 

 

 

It'll be expensive for sure.

 

 

Yes. If he was happy with his contract he wouldn't be rumored to be going elsewhere.

 

 

How were the Bills gifted a ton of cap space?

 

 

Gifted was the wrong word but Diggs now being gone and Von being released = 45 million in cap space in 2025. That's space most teams with a Josh Allen dont have. Besides Knox, what bad contract do the Bills have moving forward? 

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1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Based on the things Aiyuk himself has said, I think the bolded is incorrect.

 

He wants to be paid big money, now. 

 

 

It'll be expensive for sure.

 

 

Yes. If he was happy with his contract he wouldn't be rumored to be going elsewhere.

 

 

How were the Bills gifted a ton of cap space?

 

 

Listen, if everyone read more, posted less, and kept within the bounds of reason, this place would be a ghost town.

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6 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

His salary is 7m this year. They can make room for that. Then the next three seasons we get almost 90mil back from Diggs being off the book.

 

 

Aiyuk’s salary is $14.1M this year. 

 

Would love to have him here and would support him getting paid, but it’s not feasible this year. 

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8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

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His YPC was an insane 17.9  this year.   How much is the system / how much is him?


If it's mostly his pure talent,  he could put up huge numbers here with more targets

 

I think he's a very talented player, It isn't like the 49ers are known for inflating QB stats. Last year they entered the year with Jimmy G and the QB position got so hurt they ended up with Purdy who was a 7th round rookie. This past season he excelled with Purdy a good not great QB who also had 3 other major targets to get the ball to (CMC out the backfield, Debo at WR and Kittle at TE) and Aiyuk still put up a career year. 

 

That all being said I think Aiyuk is not in play. Even if the Bills were willing to give up the draft picks I don't see how they can manage the cap hit. I think McBeane is retooling this team in 2024 they have 11 draft picks and likely are using a high pick on a WR. If they feel like that won't work they can make a in season trade or a trade/signing next year when Diggs is off the books and so is a lot of other dead cap. 

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its pretty clear the team wants young affordable and controllable talent at the money positions. 

 

trading for a wr that needs a contract and has played through his rookie deal would not make sense.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

its pretty clear the team wants young affordable and controllable talent at the money positions. 

 

trading for a wr that needs a contract and has played through his rookie deal would not make sense.

 

 

It does when you just ripped 1900 receiving yds from your Franchise QB and have no outside receivers

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4 minutes ago, drummernut74 said:

It does when you just ripped 1900 receiving yds from your Franchise QB and have no outside receivers

by the time training camp starts they will have players capable of playing outside.  

 

This diggs trade is going to turn out great for buffalo.  Training camp is going to be so much fun.   No more drama and nothing but upside from young players all over the offense.   Whoever they draft does not have to replace Diggs that is the big misconception here.  The team is going to have all kinds of weapons.

 

I have always said this and will always say this, WR are not what wins you championships, being a physically and mentally tough football team  that can win on the road is what wins games.  The defense is what is and has been holding up this team in the post season.   I am not sure they have improved that this offseason and I am not sure McDermott is capable of it.

 

I have zero worries about the offense.  WR do not determine championships, if they did Steve Largent, Chris Carter, Tim Brown, Randy Moss, Julio Jones, Larry fitzgerald etc....would have the trophy case that Tom Brady, Bill Walsh, Chuck knoll etc... have.  The bills just need a good young player who fits in with the team and will do his job and be a part of the team.  I am already sick of hearing about replacing diggs production.

 

 

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Some severe underrating of Aiyuk in this thread. He almost had 1400 yards last year. In my opinion it's an upgrade from Diggs. Hes just hitting his prime. He's a top 10 wr in the NFL right now.

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Rather have two young WRs than paying another big name at this point. I like Samuel and Shakir, just add more cheap potential at this point. D is different, no sense wasting money on big names if these guys can’t get the job done at this point either. 

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I think Beane is going to try to address this with rookie(s) not another high priced player.  Though they can probably sign some higher priced guys next year given they are clearing dead cap this year.

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Sign Beckham as a 1 yr incentive type deal/ veteran bandaid and draft two so they don't have to be completely thrown into fire. Or just throw em in. Cost controlled youth movement guy here🖐️ lol. Next year use the Diggs money for one of the top free agent pass rushers and this train keeps rolling just fine. 

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People are soon to forget what happened with Sammy Watkins. We only moved up only 5 spots and gave up the following year’s 1st and a 4th. And he was basically a bust. Everyone panned Whaley for this move. Now, fast forward to 2024 and we are talking about trading an even higher number of picks for an unproven player. We can’t afford to experiment. Go after a proven player. 

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Just now, Saint Doug said:

People are soon to forget what happened with Sammy Watkins. We only moved up only 5 spots and gave up the following year’s 1st and a 4th. And he was basically a bust. Everyone panned Whaley for this move. Now, fast forward to 2024 and we are talking about trading an even higher number of picks for an unproven player. We can’t afford to experiment. Go after a proven player. 

 

Maybe if DOUG had done more homework he would have discovered some red flags about Sammy 

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2 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

People are soon to forget what happened with Sammy Watkins. We only moved up only 5 spots and gave up the following year’s 1st and a 4th. And he was basically a bust. Everyone panned Whaley for this move. Now, fast forward to 2024 and we are talking about trading an even higher number of picks for an unproven player. We can’t afford to experiment. Go after a proven player. 

 

Proven players cost $$$. Do the Bills have the money to spend. I know they are trying to fix their cap situation, but I thought it would be next offseason where they will have money to spend not this one.

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1 hour ago, Saint Doug said:

People are soon to forget what happened with Sammy Watkins. We only moved up only 5 spots and gave up the following year’s 1st and a 4th. And he was basically a bust. Everyone panned Whaley for this move. Now, fast forward to 2024 and we are talking about trading an even higher number of picks for an unproven player. We can’t afford to experiment. Go after a proven player. 

The Watkins situation is ancient history. It’s not pertinent to the current one at all. Besides, imagine if we had Josh when we drafted him. Probably a very different result.

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