CincyBillsFan Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Beck Water said: I agree, of course, that Von Miller is not a good comparison. The only stats Diggs was top 7 in were targets and receptions. Top 13? Receptions/G 9th. 10th in 1D. 12th in TD. 13th in total yards. But "Every receiving category"? Bzzzt. Y/G? 17th. Y/R? 67th Y/T? 69th Catch %? 111th. Success %? 48th. YBC? 15th YAC? 31st Passer rating when targeted? 111th. Of 29 receivers with >1000 yds, he was 23 in drop % and 25th in broken tackles. I'm not trying to say Diggs was horrid, but he was getting paid like a top-5 WR, and his performance, viewed from that lens, wasn't good ROI. On the other hand, for the Texans as maybe the 18th paid WR, he slots in as reasonable ROI if he has a similar season. I think the best logic that's been used on this deal is the chap who pointed out what other, comparable age and performance WR received in trade - which was....wait for it...comparable. And when you throw in his yearly disappearing act in the playoffs................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 So it's a one year deal with Houston paying him more this year and tearing up the final 3 years of his deal? What am I missing? Houston traded a potentially Top 40 pick next year for a couple Day 3 picks and a rental?.. And Diggs wants to test FA at his age 32 season? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Just now, SCBills said: So it's a one year deal with Houston paying him more this year and tearing up the final 3 years of his deal? What am I missing? Houston traded a potentially Top 40 pick next year for a couple Day 3 picks and a rental?.. And Diggs wants to test FA at his age 32 season? I just heard that! He's going to Dallas in 2025. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: Is this Stefon's most memorable moment as a Bill? It's the one I'll remember. This and him standing alone while KC celebrates the AFC championship, flossing and Valentine's Day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: You could have just looked up the stats of his contemporaries. He was never elite even in his day. What got him to Canton was 4 SBs and an extremely long career (16 seasons) with high aggregate stats. During his career his was never higher than 5th in receiving and hit that mark only twice (89 & 94). He was over 1300 yards both of those seasons , but his next two highest are just over 1100 and just over 1k. He was never top 5 in TDs in a season. Andre Rison was a far better play who isnt in the HoF. So is Sterling Sharpe. Henry Ellard was arguably even better. And you can't just look at stats to prove a point. Diggs has been our main "target hog", since arriving. Yes, Beasley for a couple seasons to take target share. But we've never had a consistent run game, until this season. Diggs had WAY more targets, of course his stats will look better. Reed had a much stronger supporting cast, an MVP/HOF RB in Thurman who also ate alot of targets/attempts (rightfully so). Not to mention that Reed was one of the best YAC receivers of his era. Diggs is obviously great, in his own era/time with us too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 54 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Yeah, that game left us with much to think about. KC's EZ fumble, Wide Right, etc. That's an interesting game to look at. It's somewhat of a conundrum. We ran 78 plays to their 47. We averaged 4.7 YPP which is low, as in bottom-dwellingly low. They averaged 7.7. Time of Possession 37 to 23 us. It's befuddling to be sure. But what was the case is that there was no shortage of short-yardage plays in that game, McD's "complimentary football" on display. Our longest completed pass on that day was 15 yards to Diggs. Murray also caught one for 15 but that was a short pass that he ran the rest for. That's Brady football as directed by McD's "complimentary football" approach. They obviously deliberately did that. It was similar the week prior vs. Pittsburgh. In both games our above-average offense managed only to match the average YPP allowed on the season by both defenses. One would think that a top-ranked offense would do better than what the opponent had allowed on average. Miami averaged the same, the Ravens 6.3 YPP. Either way, get used to that approach, because whether fans realize it or not, that's what McD wants. That's what he means when he says "complimentary football." We know that he's not wise in the ways of offense, so the issue that many of us have with that is that, again, it's not even remotely using Allen to maximize his contributions other than his rushing. Allen posted 189 and 186 yards passing in those two games. I'm not sure what anyone expects in terms of WR production when there's an average of 34 attempts in both games, and an average of 23 total completions. That's not a lot of balls for receivers to gain the kind of yardage from that everyone's critical of us not getting. Under Brady, in 6 of 9 games Allen hasn't exceeded 240 yards passing. He's averaged 33 attempts/game, for a bottom-dwelling 60.7% under Brady, his worst for any significant stretch of games since 2019. That was with receivers he's known and played with for several seasons. He's going to get worn out playing like that. Averaging 9 carries/game under Brady he'd average about 150 carries on the season. If he doesn't do that, who's going to run the ball on 3rd-downs? He took more 3rd-down carries than the rest of the team combined with 43. Those are typically the toughest yards to get. Cook had 4, all season. Murray had the second most with 20, but averaged a mere 2.0 on those. Is he still with us? Anyway, that's how we played under Brady. IMO it's not sustainable over an entire season to have your QB run that much, and now, particularly since our receivers won't exactly be inducing fear in the minds of the DCs and defenses that we face. It's easy to say that we'll adjust by doing [such and such] but it's more difficult in practice. McD isn't for being a great Adjustments coach, and will he even try to adjust from something that he's forcing to begin with is the question. We'll see if the Draft changes anything, but as of now the only significant picks that we have that even realistically sniff at a hint of making a rookie impact are 28th and 60th. The rest are day-2 fodder picks. On top of that, Beane's track record with rookie production isn't great. Kincaid did better but still didn't match the hype. Torrence was good too, but we need WRs now. To be fair Allen launched three deep balls which on most weekends in the NFL would have been caught. Both the WR's that couldn't make those catches are gone. If they catch 2 of those 3 shots we win that game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 23 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: You could have just looked up the stats of his contemporaries. He was never elite even in his day. What got him to Canton was 4 SBs and an extremely long career (16 seasons) with high aggregate stats. During his career his was never higher than 5th in receiving and hit that mark only twice (89 & 94). He was over 1300 yards both of those seasons , but his next two highest are just over 1100 and just over 1k. He was never top 5 in TDs in a season. Andre Rison was a far better play who isnt in the HoF. So is Sterling Sharpe. Henry Ellard was arguably even better. Dude. Does the phrase "over the middle" have meaning for you? Do you actually understand what routes Reed ran and what his role was, on the team? Hint: James Lofton was the boundary. You sure are super selective about how you look at stats. Edited April 4 by Beck Water 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: So it's a one year deal with Houston paying him more this year and tearing up the final 3 years of his deal? What am I missing? Houston traded a potentially Top 40 pick next year for a couple Day 3 picks and a rental?.. And Diggs wants to test FA at his age 32 season? Beane playing 3D chess and bringing Diggs back on vet minimum in 2025 😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) Adam shefter just said on NFL live that Huston has agreed to void the final years of Diggs contract, making him a free agent next year. Can’t believe the Texans gave up a 2nd for a 1 year rental!! Diggs is 100% going to Dallas next year, I guess they will get a comp pick back but won’t be more than a 5th probably based on Diggs being 32 next year and only really negotiating with one team for his next contract. Edited April 4 by 0017 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 3 hours ago, Returntoglory said: This video says it all, as far as I'm concerned. https://youtu.be/JdyG_pPfSIU?si=sIzIch0Q1wSJVqt- I am not able to re-watch our PO losses, and I don't have good memory, so I forgot about this. Man it is painful to watch 😢 Edited April 4 by No_Matter_What 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 9 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I would love to be a fly on the wall and know whether that was the plan all along, dating from the post-season player performance review, or if something else has happened. One example of this kind of long term thinking would be when the Bills moved on from Marcell Dareus. There the Bills were, 6 games into the 2017 season. It was obvious that McDermott and Beane were not long-term fans, but he was playing. He'd missed a game when injured, came back, was back up to 57% of the snaps and seemed (to me) to make a difference in gap integrity on run defense. They'd inherited him on a 6 year, $60 million contract extension signed in 2015, so they were on Year 3 of it. All of a sudden, he was off to Jax for a conditional 6th that turned into a 5th round pick while the Bills ate a chunk of dead cap. He played all season for Jax AND arguably helped them beat us in the playoffs (yeah, he had 4 tackles, but that wasn't his job). Beane and McDermott even alluded after the season that McDermott had not necessarily agreed with the decision to trade Dareus when we did - it didn't make our defense better - but "understood the reasoning" after they talked. I do believe, and this is just my speculation, that there was something said to Diggs in the exit interview about potentially moving on. I remember after the season he was on an interview and said something to the effect of being "prepared for whatever happened" when asked about his future in Buffalo. Of course, this could also be where Diggs asked to move on and was told "we'll see". Again, speculation but I think it fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Dude. Does the phrase "over the middle" have meaning for you? Do you actually understand what routes Reed ran and what his role was, on the team? Hint: James Lofton was the boundary. You sure are super selective about how you look at stats. Of course it does, but he was a role player, and a very good one, just not some all-time elite player that folks make him out to be. He wasn't a top player when he played and he wasn't anywhere near Diggs level. I'm not the one that started this argument but all the folks who insist on turning it into a good thing that our #1 WR is now Curtis Samuel insist on digging the hole deeper. We'll survive without Diggs, but the narrative and agenda being created here is WILD. The whole thing is a joke honestly. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 4 minutes ago, 0017 said: Can’t believe the Texans gave up a 2nd for a 1 year rental!! Diggs is 100% going to Dallas next year, I guess they will get a comp pick back but won’t be more than a 5th probably based on Diggs being 32 next year and only really negotiating with one team for his next contract. Diggs is signed through next year as well. If he goes to Dallas it would be by way of trade or that he's cut. If he's released, he would not be eligible for the comp pick formula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 4 minutes ago, 0017 said: Can’t believe the Texans gave up a 2nd for a 1 year rental!! Diggs is 100% going to Dallas next year, I guess they will get a comp pick back but won’t be more than a 5th probably based on Diggs being 32 next year and only really negotiating with one team for his next contract. I can cause Houston is going all in to win this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Just now, BuffaloBillyG said: Diggs is signed through next year as well. If he goes to Dallas it would be by way of trade or that he's cut. If he's released, he would not be eligible for the comp pick formula Texans just announced they voided the final years of his contact 😱 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Diggs is signed through next year as well. If he goes to Dallas it would be by way of trade or that he's cut. If he's released, he would not be eligible for the comp pick formula Diggs has 4 years left on his contract.... this really isn't a rental situation. HOU can cut/trade him at any time with no dead cap Edited April 4 by DabillsDaBillsDaBills I was wrong, HOU voided the final 3 years of his contract 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 9 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: And when you throw in his yearly disappearing act in the playoffs................ To me, that's the clincher. In 2020, he was AMAZEBALLS in the playoffs. Deadly. Lights out. In 2021, he was OK against NE but 3 of 6 for 7 yards in the "13 seconds" game. In 2022, when he slumped in the 2nd half of the season, 4 of 10 for 35 yds in the Bengals debacle. In 2023, similar 2nd half slump, 3 of 8 for 21 yards in the KC loss. Once is an occurance, twice could be a coincidence, three times is a pattern. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 Just now, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Diggs has 4 years left on his contract.... this really isn't a rental situation. HOU can cut/trade him at any time with no dead cap [ESPN] Sources: Texans wipe out final three seasons on Stefon Diggs' deal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Diggs has 4 years left on his contract.... this really isn't a rental situation. HOU can cut/trade him at any time with no dead cap Not quite correct. He is due $19M in roster, workout, and salary. His $18.5M salary is fully guaranteed. So if Houston cuts him this season, they owe him $18.5M or whatever fraction of $18.5M he has not yet been paid in per-game salary checks. 1 minute ago, syhuang said: [ESPN] Sources: Texans wipe out final three seasons on Stefon Diggs' deal All right, scratch that. If Houston cuts him this season, they owe him $22.5M or whatever fraction of $22.5M he has not yet been paid in per-game salary checks. Okay, Then. Edited April 4 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 (edited) If I'm a Houston fan.. I'm not exactly loving this deal now. Even at 18M or whatever per year, they had control of Diggs for multiple years on what essentially becomes team options given the lack of guaranteed money. Now it's a rental.. for the Vikings '25 RD2 pick with some Day 3 picks in return. Steep price. Edited April 4 by SCBills 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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