TBBills Fan Posted August 15 Posted August 15 17 hours ago, HappyDays said: This is speculation on my part but if the NFL and Rice been unable to reach an agreement and the next step is Sue Robinson arbitrating the case, that indicates to me that the NFL is seeking a particularly long suspension and Rice of course doesn't want to accept it. Now the Sept 30.date makes sense Quote
GunnerBill Posted August 15 Posted August 15 24 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I get the conspiracy theories about Chiefs favoritism but that's really not what's happening here. The media has done a poor job of explaining the facts. Or worse, deliberately misconstruing the facts to get clicks. The NFL's personal conduct policy is a lot more nebulous than other polices that allow suspensions. The substance abuse policy for example is clearly written into the CBA and there is not much players can do to appeal those. In Rice's case however there is no set policy for what he did. So in his case his appeal must be heard by a neutral arbitrator and Sue Robinson is the federal judge the NFL has appointed to that job. Like any federal judge her schedule is booked out for months, so the first date she has available on her calendar is September 30. Under the rules of the current CBA there is simply nothing the NFL can do to expedite the process unless they agree to a settlement with Rice. The fact that the NFL is NOT reaching a settlement with Rice's side indicates to me they are actually trying to bring the hammer down and set an example. If it was just a 4 game suspension they were offering I believe he would have already accepted it. Dragging the suspension into the middle of the season may in fact be the worse outcome for Rice and the Chiefs. It likely will even help us since he will probably miss our game. This, for sure, is correct. I think people would be less bothered about the delay until 30 September if this hadn't already dragged on so long. It is largely out of the league's hands though as they always wait for the conclusion of the legal process first and that only concluded last month. 1 Quote
HappyDays Posted August 15 Posted August 15 (edited) That's what I figured. They want to bring the hammer down, make an example out of him. In the video he says the NFL wanted 10+ games... If the hearing still happens on September 30 and he loses his appeal, he could conceivably be suspended for the rest of the regular season. Edited August 15 by HappyDays 5 Quote
Delete_Delete_Delete Posted August 15 Posted August 15 Devil’s advocate here, but why should it really matter? If the NFL actually cared about anything other than printing dollarbucks that would be one thing, but it’s just a corporate entity only concerned with the optics and PR of the situation, not rehabilitating Rashee Rice as a person or the safety of the community. Unless it has an impact on the actual integrity of the game (betting, PEDs, spygate, SA and even then they let Watson back, etc), why not just let the law handle the legal stuff? As a fan, I just want to watch the best players on the field on Sundays, if they veer into the wrong lanes in their private lives then shouldn’t whatever punishment they receive through due process be sufficient? I mean if Ed Oliver crashed his horse and fled the scene, I think we’d all be feeling the same way… 2 1 1 Quote
Beck Water Posted August 16 Posted August 16 11 hours ago, HappyDays said: I get the conspiracy theories about Chiefs favoritism but that's really not what's happening here. The media has done a poor job of explaining the facts. Or worse, deliberately misconstruing the facts to get clicks. The NFL's personal conduct policy is a lot more nebulous than other polices that allow suspensions. The substance abuse policy for example is clearly written into the CBA and there is not much players can do to appeal those. In Rice's case however there is no set policy for what he did. So in his case his appeal must be heard by a neutral arbitrator and Sue Robinson is the federal judge the NFL has appointed to that job. Like any federal judge her schedule is booked out for months, so the first date she has available on her calendar is September 30. Under the rules of the current CBA there is simply nothing the NFL can do to expedite the process unless they agree to a settlement with Rice. The fact that the NFL is NOT reaching a settlement with Rice's side indicates to me they are actually trying to bring the hammer down and set an example. If it was just a 4 game suspension they were offering I believe he would have already accepted it. Dragging the suspension into the middle of the season may in fact be the worse outcome for Rice and the Chiefs. It likely will even help us since he will probably miss our game. I hope you're right, @HappyDays 2 Quote
Wayne Cubed Posted August 16 Posted August 16 22 hours ago, HappyDays said: I get the conspiracy theories about Chiefs favoritism but that's really not what's happening here. The media has done a poor job of explaining the facts. Or worse, deliberately misconstruing the facts to get clicks. The NFL's personal conduct policy is a lot more nebulous than other polices that allow suspensions. The substance abuse policy for example is clearly written into the CBA and there is not much players can do to appeal those. In Rice's case however there is no set policy for what he did. So in his case his appeal must be heard by a neutral arbitrator and Sue Robinson is the federal judge the NFL has appointed to that job. Like any federal judge her schedule is booked out for months, so the first date she has available on her calendar is September 30. Under the rules of the current CBA there is simply nothing the NFL can do to expedite the process unless they agree to a settlement with Rice. The fact that the NFL is NOT reaching a settlement with Rice's side indicates to me they are actually trying to bring the hammer down and set an example. If it was just a 4 game suspension they were offering I believe he would have already accepted it. Dragging the suspension into the middle of the season may in fact be the worse outcome for Rice and the Chiefs. It likely will even help us since he will probably miss our game. Agreed. It’s just coincidental that those games happen to fall when they do. It’s not like every big Chiefs game falls in the first 5 weeks(they are all big games), they play the Giants and Jags as well. And they still have the Lions, Chargers(again), our Bills and the Commanders the rest of the season. Plus the Texans. Rice could be suspended for all those games. And I think and agree the fact there has been no settlement means the NFL wants to drop the hammer. Quote
NoSaint Posted August 16 Posted August 16 12 hours ago, Delete_Delete_Delete said: Devil’s advocate here, but why should it really matter? If the NFL actually cared about anything other than printing dollarbucks that would be one thing, but it’s just a corporate entity only concerned with the optics and PR of the situation, not rehabilitating Rashee Rice as a person or the safety of the community. Unless it has an impact on the actual integrity of the game (betting, PEDs, spygate, SA and even then they let Watson back, etc), why not just let the law handle the legal stuff? As a fan, I just want to watch the best players on the field on Sundays, if they veer into the wrong lanes in their private lives then shouldn’t whatever punishment they receive through due process be sufficient? I mean if Ed Oliver crashed his horse and fled the scene, I think we’d all be feeling the same way… ever since that run of bengals players going bananas everyone very eagerly looks to the nfl to dole out punishment as an employer for things the legal system should generally cover. It often puts them in weird no win positions. I’ve admittedly been back and forth. If a semi violent head case doesn’t belong in the nfl, where in society, outside the prison system, do we really want him? But no one wants to watch that jerk cash weekly checks larger than I make in 5 years. 1 1 Quote
boyst Posted August 16 Posted August 16 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: ever since that run of bengals players going bananas everyone very eagerly looks to the nfl to dole out punishment as an employer for things the legal system should generally cover. It often puts them in weird no win positions. I’ve admittedly been back and forth. If a semi violent head case doesn’t belong in the nfl, where in society, outside the prison system, do we really want him? But no one wants to watch that jerk cash weekly checks larger than I make in 5 years. Unless it's for our team, of course. It's sad that we accept such realities. People who want Rice suspended can be labeled as bad guys by certain groups, too. It's outstandingly absurd. The guy did something atupid, he should pay the penalty for it. He is rich, famous, and has the ability to do things we cannot. In the same breath it is fair for the justice system to work this way it's just too bad we all can't afford it to exploit it the same way. The NFL, however, should hold itself to a higher standard than the common man, law, and more. Quote
H2o Posted August 16 Posted August 16 15 hours ago, HappyDays said: That's what I figured. They want to bring the hammer down, make an example out of him. In the video he says the NFL wanted 10+ games... If the hearing still happens on September 30 and he loses his appeal, he could conceivably be suspended for the rest of the regular season. That would actually be justice, but I'll believe it when I see that outcome. I have no faith in the NFL to handle situations like this without any sort of bias. Quote
RiotAct Posted August 16 Posted August 16 On 8/15/2025 at 6:52 PM, HappyDays said: That's what I figured. They want to bring the hammer down, make an example out of him. In the video he says the NFL wanted 10+ games... If the hearing still happens on September 30 and he loses his appeal, he could conceivably be suspended for the rest of the regular season. not a snowball’s chance in Hades that’s what ends up happening. Quote
Richard Noggin Posted August 17 Posted August 17 6 hours ago, RiotAct said: not a snowball’s chance in Hades that’s what ends up happening. Somehow we're all still being subjected to a delayed ruling on Rice, despite the obvious calling for him to miss considerable time. The league should be smarter than allowing a derelict Rice to be available for KC's most difficult early slate of games, otherwise there's no tangible penalty for stretching the rules/cheating/being a criminal. No one else would be granted such lenience and patience. 1 Quote
RoscoeParrish Posted August 17 Posted August 17 1 hour ago, Richard Noggin said: Somehow we're all still being subjected to a delayed ruling on Rice, despite the obvious calling for him to miss considerable time. The league should be smarter than allowing a derelict Rice to be available for KC's most difficult early slate of games, otherwise there's no tangible penalty for stretching the rules/cheating/being a criminal. No one else would be granted such lenience and patience. Von Miller had a warrant out for his arrest in November of 2023. He didn’t serve a suspension until October of 2024. Quote
GunnerBill Posted August 17 Posted August 17 5 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: Somehow we're all still being subjected to a delayed ruling on Rice, despite the obvious calling for him to miss considerable time. The league should be smarter than allowing a derelict Rice to be available for KC's most difficult early slate of games, otherwise there's no tangible penalty for stretching the rules/cheating/being a criminal. No one else would be granted such lenience and patience. The league always waits for the outcome of the legal process first. That only concluded in July and then they have been trying to find a date their selected High Court judge was available. I dunno if its the same in 'merica but in the UK your chances of finding a high court judge working in August is close to nil. It is frustrating it has dragged so long (and not only this case other cases too) but I don't see the NFL changing its position on legal process first league discipline second any time soon. Quote
Lost Posted August 17 Posted August 17 34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The league always waits for the outcome of the legal process first. That only concluded in July and then they have been trying to find a date their selected High Court judge was available. I dunno if its the same in 'merica but in the UK your chances of finding a high court judge working in August is close to nil. It is frustrating it has dragged so long (and not only this case other cases too) but I don't see the NFL changing its position on legal process first league discipline second any time soon. Did they wait for legal outcome for Von Miller and his domestic violence charge? 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted August 17 Posted August 17 1 hour ago, Lost said: Did they wait for legal outcome for Von Miller and his domestic violence charge? Yes. Dallas police had cleared him before the NFL imposed their discipline. 1 Quote
zow2 Posted August 17 Posted August 17 I'm not concerned with the legal timing as much as I am having Rice eventually be punished severely. I mean this guy did something so reckless, and illegal by racing 120 mph on a public road. It's just complete disregard for the lives of other human beings. There's actually two crimes here. The recklessness of course and then secondly he injured a driver, a mother and her child...he could've killed them, and this dude flees from the scene without even showing remorse or checking on their well being?! The victims suffered brain trauma, internal bleeding, facial lacerations, disfigurement and other injuries. If this guy was WR3 on the Jaguars he would've been released a while ago and justice would served fairly quickly imo. The fact he's the best WR on the Superbowl Chiefs is keeping him around as we all know. 1 1 Quote
ROCBillsBeliever Posted August 17 Posted August 17 2 hours ago, zow2 said: If this guy was WR3 on the Jaguars he would've been released a while ago and justice would served fairly quickly imo. The fact he's the best WR on the Superbowl Chiefs is keeping him around as we all know. This! This! Ten billion times, THIS!!! Unless you lived under a rock (or in New England) during the 17 year drought, you know how the NFL looks the other way, when a member of their chosen team clearly breaks the rules... Things haven't changed... 1 Quote
RoscoeParrish Posted August 17 Posted August 17 3 minutes ago, ROCBillsBeliever said: This! This! Ten billion times, THIS!!! Unless you lived under a rock (or in New England) during the 17 year drought, you know how the NFL looks the other way, when a member of their chosen team clearly breaks the rules... Things haven't changed... I mean sure, if he was a much worse player, he would’ve probably been cut. but he isn’t. if Josh got a DUI tomorrow night, we wouldn’t cut him either. Quote
ROCBillsBeliever Posted August 17 Posted August 17 2 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said: I mean sure, if he was a much worse player, he would’ve probably been cut. but he isn’t. if Josh got a DUI tomorrow night, we wouldn’t cut him either. My commentary was directed towards the NFL's clear favortism... Here's the definition, in case you weren't sure of it: Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more fa·vor·it·ism /ˈfāv(ə)rəˌtiz(ə)m/ noun the practice of giving unfair preferential treatment to one person or group at the expense of another. Have you or have you not witnessed that for the Pat*****s or Cheats? I rest my case. Quote
RoscoeParrish Posted August 17 Posted August 17 Just now, ROCBillsBeliever said: My commentary was directed towards the NFL's clear favortism... Here's the definition, in case you weren't sure of it: Dictionary Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more fa·vor·it·ism /ˈfāv(ə)rəˌtiz(ə)m/ noun the practice of giving unfair preferential treatment to one person or group at the expense of another. Have you or have you not witnessed that for the Pat*****s or Cheats? I rest my case. Not in this instance, no. your case is very flawed. No one is “looking the other way.” The NFL is trying to throw the book at Rice, and needs to go to arbitration to do so. Quote
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