njbuff Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dillenger4 said: Our pick is DE: Latu. Moving up to get him. I'm all in. How many times are the Bills gonna invest top picks on defense with terrible results when it matters most? Get Josh Allen help. Period. End of story. Edited March 28 by njbuff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillenger4 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Just now, njbuff said: How many times are the Bills gonna invest top picks on defense with terrible results when it matters most? Get Josh Allen help. Period. End of story. I agree with you. get Josh that DE (Latu) so our D can actually make a stop in the 4th Q in a meaningful game. Josh gets us the lead and our D lets the opposition march right down and score every time. Get that Pass rusher! Move up to do it. Also - Curtis Samuel says hi! Get wrecked! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 When you have a great QB, you ought to supply him with dynamic weapons (i.e. receivers) and mauling bodyguards (i.e. OL). I'm happy with either. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 25 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said: I agree with you. get Josh that DE (Latu) so our D can actually make a stop in the 4th Q in a meaningful game. Josh gets us the lead and our D lets the opposition march right down and score every time. Get that Pass rusher! Move up to do it. Also - Curtis Samuel says hi! Get wrecked! Curtis Samuel is a number 3 or 4 WR. The Bills need to find their #2 WR for 2024 in this draft, with the potential to be the number one WR in 2025 and beyond. This the year to get that WR in the first round. Worry about the rest of the team with the boatload of picks they have on day 3. I'm sure they can find a few players for the D later in this draft (developmental players anyway). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 5 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said: I would not expect an IOL with the first round pick, the value of the player could be there but the value of the position makes it tough. Last year people mocked Torrence to the Bills in the first and they got him in the second. I fully expect DE, DT or WR with the first pick. If it were OL, I would think an OT that fell would be more likely than anything inside. I wouldn't mind an OT at all. Put your best 5 out there, and if Dawkins moves to guard so be it. I would rather have Josh more comfortable in the pocket at this point in his career. I think that's our best bet to win the superbowl. We have enough guys that can catch the ball now. I could get behind IOL in the second too, let McBeane figure out what to do with the leftovers if things get complicated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 46 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said: I agree with you. get Josh that DE (Latu) so our D can actually make a stop in the 4th Q in a meaningful game. Josh gets us the lead and our D lets the opposition march right down and score every time. Get that Pass rusher! Move up to do it. Also - Curtis Samuel says hi! Get wrecked! At 28, maybe, but I wouldn't move up for a player with his injury history. I'd rather not draft a DE in R1, though. I can understand the interest in finding an elite pass rusher, but ignoring the high bust rate, the odds of that outside the top 10 are poor. You're probably just going to find another guy who averages 6-8 sacks per season. Plus, they have quite a bit of cap space invested in Miller and Epenesa over the next 2 years, plus a contract extension likely for Rousseau in the same time frame. I think they'd be better off throwing a couple of those 4th and 5th rounders at the position (or adding a 30+ veteran after June 1st) and re-evaluate in the next offseason. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 1 minute ago, Brandon said: At 28, maybe, but I wouldn't move up for a player with his injury history. I'd rather not draft a DE in R1, though. I can understand the interest in finding an elite pass rusher, but ignoring the high bust rate, the odds of that outside the top 10 are poor. You're probably just going to find another guy who averages 6-8 sacks per season. Plus, they have quite a bit of cap space invested in Miller and Epenesa over the next 2 years, plus a contract extension likely for Rousseau in the same time frame. I think they'd be better off throwing a couple of those 4th and 5th rounders at the position (or adding a 30+ veteran after June 1st) and re-evaluate in the next offseason. I always thought with Von on the roster (as a teacher) and our DL rotation that we should have been able to convince a raw DE specimen or two to be on the practice squad. I've been disappointed we haven't been able to find guys like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 7 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: What if it turns out that McGovern actually makes a great Center? What if he was sitting there waiting for Morse to retire? Do we know that he isn’t? If you read the Athletic article by Tim Graham on McGovern (recognizing that it's behind a paywall), I think you'd be pretty convinced that it's the right move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 5 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: I always thought with Von on the roster (as a teacher) and our DL rotation that we should have been able to convince a raw DE specimen or two to be on the practice squad. I've been disappointed we haven't been able to find guys like that. They weren't counting on needing it. That miss on Basham really screwed up the depth. They'd likely have a mid round developmental guy or two on the roster from the last few drafts if not for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 41 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: I wouldn't mind an OT at all. Put your best 5 out there, and if Dawkins moves to guard so be it. I would rather have Josh more comfortable in the pocket at this point in his career. I think that's our best bet to win the superbowl. We have enough guys that can catch the ball now. I could get behind IOL in the second too, let McBeane figure out what to do with the leftovers if things get complicated. Brave putting the bolded on this forum :). I agree for the most part, I do want them to invest a 1 or 2 in a WR though, mostly for the future rather than this upcoming year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Latu/Newton then a trade up for Legette in rd2 is my preference but I won’t be upset with JPJ if those 2 defenders aren’t available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 8 hours ago, SoTier said: I'm in! I've already advocated drafting a center at #28 in a couple of other threads. Even if there's not a run on WRs, the fact is a great center will help Allen more than a good WR, and you're more likely to get a great IOLer than a great WR at #28 Who was the last great center drafted in the NFL? Not good. But great. Dermonti Dawson or Dwight Stephenson back in the 90's? There have been some good ones. Humphrey for KC is good. But he is not overly dominant. Mitch Morse is pretty good. We need some very good to great WR's. Josh Allen can escape most pressure, but he can't escape not having elite WR talent. And for those who were really not paying attention during the second half of last season, Stefan Diggs was not playing pro football at anywhere near an elite level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) 8 hours ago, Yantha said: We don't know the answer. But I'd argue that experimentation isn't really an option for a team that is not in "rebuild mode", but rather "championship push" mode. McGovern really surprised me at OG (I was a naysayer....when we brought him in...), and maybe he'd be a good center. Experimentation? McGovern was the #2 ranked center in the country coming to Penn State. He's been a center most of his football life. He didn't get moved from center because he wasn't great at it...........it's just the least valued position on the OL. It's much more important at the college and pro level to have your better interior blockers at the guard position. Because gone are the days of defense's regularly using a big 0 tech. Almost everybody uses a 1 tech now instead and that means the Center is basically a "help" blocker and finds himself blocking "air" in pass pro on 3rd downs a lot. I wouldn't be astonished if McGovern was the second or third best C in the AFC. Edited March 28 by BADOLBILZ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) Outside of the top 4 receivers I would be looking at a small trade back into the early 2nd round at this point. If Powers is available wouldn't mind that pick. Edited March 28 by billieve420 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 8 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: What if it turns out that McGovern actually makes a great Center? What if he was sitting there waiting for Morse to retire? Do we know that he isn’t? Asking that question means that you are just another one of the lemmings who think that maybe, just maybe, Beane and McDermott actually might know what they're doing. 5 hours ago, Sweats said: You know, for years i've always just wanted the big "splash" player in the drafts, but i saw an interview with The Hoodie a couple of years back and it completely changed my mindset. I can't remember the interview word for word, but it was basically about how a good OLineman can anchor the trenches for years, help protect the QB (arguably a teams biggest asset)....they are for the most part fairly cheap at re-negotiating contracts, no divas involved and can play the position for a long time. The interview actually made a lot of sense to me and completely changed my whole mindset. Watching Russ Brandon trade away All Pro LT Jason Peters and replacing him with waiver-wire refugees in 2009 convinced me of the importance of having a solid OL. I think it was 2 or 3 years before the Bills got around to even drafting an actual LT. 4 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Bills need WR and Edge in the worst way for 2024 but even more so for 2025. I don't hate taking a C in the first round but they can do that next year. This year getting younger better pass rush and planning for a life without Diggs is the priority. Prioritizing need over talent sets up a team for failure. A team like the Bills has to make its high draft picks count because the draft is the best place to find the difference makers they need. If there's a WR and/or DE as well as a C on the board that the Bills have graded as first round talents, they should take the one they think is likely to become a stud. If there's a first round C on the board but none of the WRs or DEs left are close to his quality, it's a no-brainer to take the C. 1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said: Who was the last great center drafted in the NFL? Not good. But great. Dermonti Dawson or Dwight Stephenson back in the 90's? There have been some good ones. Humphrey for KC is good. But he is not overly dominant. Mitch Morse is pretty good. We need some very good to great WR's. Josh Allen can escape most pressure, but he can't escape not having elite WR talent. And for those who were really not paying attention during the second half of last season, Stefan Diggs was not playing pro football at anywhere near an elite level. Maurkise Pouncey went to the Stillers at #18 in 2010. Nine times Pro Bowler, 2 time All Pro. He retired after the 2020 season. The only season he failed to make the Pro Bowl was the season he suffered a season-ending injury in the opening game of the season. He came back the next season to be selected All Pro a second time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 10 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: What if it turns out that McGovern actually makes a great Center? What if he was sitting there waiting for Morse to retire? Do we know that he isn’t? We do not know that. We also brought in Clapp. It’s possible the Bills take JPJ at 28 but unlikely. Barton the G is more likely of C/G. Yet both are probably not either available or where the Bills go. But I think DE becomes a possibility if Chop is around or someone falls. BB has done enough in FA that some of these positions certainly are way more possible than we thought 🤷🏻♂️DE, WR, DT remain most likely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 (edited) Gimme: Latu Legette Sweat Burton and/ or Walker M. Smith and do what you want after this.. Javon Solomon... Cedric Johnson J. Crumedy Feel free to throw in a couple Safeties and CBs. Edited March 28 by nosejob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 I'm all in on WR in round 1, but I'll NEVER be against investing in the O-line. It's not as exciting, but a better O-line lifts the entire offensive unit. As long as we're not continuing to ignore the offense, I'll be fine. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted March 28 Author Share Posted March 28 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: I wouldn't be astonished if McGovern was the second or third best C in the AFC. LOL. Sorry I disagree big time on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 3 hours ago, Brandon said: They weren't counting on needing it. That miss on Basham really screwed up the depth. They'd likely have a mid round developmental guy or two on the roster from the last few drafts if not for that. miss on Basham when they should have taken Humphrey. Drafting for need over BPA there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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