OldTimer1960 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 53 minutes ago, Toyo321 said: We need to go #1 WR and #2 S, Rd #3 or #4 WR. Anything else is a wash. We need to shed the 5th and 6th round picks to get back into 3rd round. Until this teams Coach and GM learns that you need to make big plays with your WR corps, when you have to have them consistently, they will never get to a SB with the retread of WR's currently on this team. You don't put on worn out tires on a formula 1 race car and expect to outrun your competition to the finish line for the checkered flag. This is McD and Beane's philosophy and they don't get it. Sad but true for 7 plus years now. Not going to happen (2 receivers in first 3 pick) unless there are at least half-decent vets in place for DT, DE, S. I do think round 1 will be wr if there is one who is close to BPA. After that, they need to fill holes. Don’t buy into the “they have 11 draft picks” narrative. After the first two picks, the combined value of the rest is about one 2nd round pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 21 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: I don't mind competition but what if Samuel wins? Then you could potentially stunt Shakir's growth and is worth it on Samuel who might not be here long term? It's a tough call either way. Exactly what I’ve been saying to everyone trying to replace Davis the last couple years. Edited March 12 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Exactly what I’ve been saying for everyone trying to replace Davis the last couple years. Davis is a good player, not the contract he got from the Jags gave him good. He just sometimes struggles with drops. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, OldTimer1960 said: Not going to happen (2 receivers in first 3 pick) unless there are at least half-decent vets in place for DT, DE, S. I do think round 1 will be wr if there is one who is close to BPA. After that, they need to fill holes. Don’t buy into the “they have 11 draft picks” narrative. After the first two picks, the combined value of the rest is about one 2nd round pick. I'm all for trading picks from next year as well as our later rds to move around this year. Beane can really ball out this year and I think he will. There are 5 teams with 2 second rd. picks and 5 teams with 2 in the 3rd....AZ. having 3. We need to hit on the first 4. BB gonna have to wheel and deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Quez Watkins makes a lot of sense as the 4th WR. Can double as a return guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 8 minutes ago, nosejob said: I'm all for trading picks from next year as well as our later rds to move around this year. Beane can really ball out this year and I think he will. There are 5 teams with 2 second rd. picks and 5 teams with 2 in the 3rd....AZ. having 3. We need to hit on the first 4. BB gonna have to wheel and deal. With the state of the defense, I think it is imprudent to trade next year’s picks. A future draft pick is usually devalued by a round in a trade, so next year’s 2nd is worth about the same as a 3rd this year. In addition, I think the Bills could be drafting earlier next year due to a step back on defense. If that happens, I would not want to be sitting at about the middle of the 2nd next year wishing we had a pick because we traded it for a late 3rd in the 2024 draft. Edited March 12 by OldTimer1960 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 22 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Not going to happen (2 receivers in first 3 pick) unless there are at least half-decent vets in place for DT, DE, S. I do think round 1 will be wr if there is one who is close to BPA. After that, they need to fill holes. Don’t buy into the “they have 11 draft picks” narrative. After the first two picks, the combined value of the rest is about one 2nd round pick. Not buying into anything. The fact is this team has zero cash on hand to bring in any elite WR talent that has prior NFL vet experience. Hell Gabe left for $13 Mil per year to Jacksonville. You are not signing any top WR in FA without forking over at least $10 Mil a year for a WR with actual NFL experience and a top 30 talent if there is even one available which right now there isn't, and for under $10 mil per yr. It's not going to happen this year, this team needs to reposition itself as a gunslinger mentality. We have a competent serviceable D that we can subsidize with the addition of players added in the draft. WR & S needs to be the top needs at this time in the top 3 picks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 20 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Quez Watkins makes a lot of sense as the 4th WR. Can double as a return guy. I like it. Basically could replace Harty and Sherfield with one guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonkillebrew Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Bills need to sign a FA WR - Samuel, Ridley - to upgrade from Harty, then get a top WR with rd 1 pick. Josh needs more weapons and Offense needs more speed to be able to attack defenses downfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Quez Watkins makes a lot of sense as the 4th WR. Can double as a return guy. He's amongst those that can fit the role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, harmonkillebrew said: Bills need to sign a FA WR - Samuel, Ridley - to upgrade from Harty, then get a top WR with rd 1 pick. Josh needs more weapons and Offense needs more speed to be able to attack defenses downfield This plan should push Shakir to the bench, how do you feel about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Trade for Sutton, sign Samuel and draft another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 20 minutes ago, Toyo321 said: Not buying into anything. The fact is this team has zero cash on hand to bring in any elite WR talent that has prior NFL vet experience. Hell Gabe left for $13 Mil per year to Jacksonville. You are not signing any top WR in FA without forking over at least $10 Mil a year for a WR with actual NFL experience and a top 30 talent if there is even one available which right now there isn't, and for under $10 mil per yr. It's not going to happen this year, this team needs to reposition itself as a gunslinger mentality. We have a competent serviceable D that we can subsidize with the addition of players added in the draft. WR & S needs to be the top needs at this time in the top 3 picks. Well OK then. I guess that is what they should do. I would just remind people that two teams with outstanding defenses were in the Super Bowl this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Trade for Sutton, sign Samuel and draft another And Shakir is benched. Shakir is the new Gabe Davis. Do we replace him or play him? Edited March 12 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 When you buy cheap you buy twice. See Harty & Sherfield. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: When you buy cheap you buy twice. See Harty & Sherfield. True, but I don’t think any team expects their 4th and 5th receivers will make much impact. I do agree that we need a bit more from those spots than we got last year (though Sherfield was fine on Special Teams). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 52 minutes ago, nosejob said: I'm all for trading picks from next year as well as our later rds to move around this year. Beane can really ball out this year and I think he will. There are 5 teams with 2 second rd. picks and 5 teams with 2 in the 3rd....AZ. having 3. We need to hit on the first 4. BB gonna have to wheel and deal. Lets say we stand pat @ 28… Do they give up 35 & 66/71? Probably not as they pick 27 anyway… Maybe Washington do 36 & 67 to get to 28? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: And Shakir is benched. Shakir is the new Gabe Davis. Do we replace him or play him? Shakir should be the 3rd or 4th WR option.. which, in the slot, is perfect for him. Gabe should have been 3rd WR option as well.. but we made him WR2. Unless we completely spaz out, Shakir is not entering next year in the Gabe Davis role of the past two years. Edited March 12 by SCBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 31 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: This plan should push Shakir to the bench, how do you feel about that? get as many weapons as possible and let them fight to get on the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: Shakir should be the 3rd or 4th WR option.. which, in the slot, is perfect for him. Gabe should have been 3rd WR option as well.. but we made him WR2. Unless we completely spaz out, Shakir is not entering next year in the Gabe Davis role of the past two years. Gabe was 3rd last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Gabe was 3rd last year. No, he very clearly was not. Dude plays almost every snap. Production-wise, obviously not, because he was a WR3 masquerading as a WR2, when we we didn't have a WR2 on the roster. Unless you count Diggs deciding to turn into that for half the season, then we didn't have a WR1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 23 hours ago, Mat68 said: Draft 2. Avoid vet wrs like the plague this offseason. Many receivers coming out of college are NFL ready or close too. Im good with drafting a couple. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: No, he very clearly was not. Dude plays almost every snap. Production-wise, obviously not, because he was a WR3 masquerading as a WR2, when we we didn't have a WR2 on the roster. Unless you count Diggs deciding to turn into that for half the season, then we didn't have a WR1. Davis was not the 2nd most targeted player on offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I would say, based on how things have gone, WR @ #28 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, Kaenon said: I would say, based on how things have gone, WR @ #28 WR at 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 17 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Gabe was 3rd last year. Shakir is being underestimated. The highest target to catch ratio.. so as a solid 2/3 he’s going to be a very important part of this O!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) In theory, the Bills could be fine or even improved from last season if the following happen: - Diggs returns to form (maybe he was injured) - Kincaid improves from his rookie year (likely) - Shakir maintains his effectiveness with increased targets. - Cook continues to improve as a pass catcher (he improved last year, why not again?) - Knox plays well when he’s on the field (hopefully he his fully healthy this year). Davis’ targets going to Kincaid, Shakir and Cook could be okay. With that being said, it feels like FA is shaping up for a 1st round WR and a couple depth vet FAs. Edited March 12 by DapperCam 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, DapperCam said: - Diggs returns to form (maybe he was injured) - Kincaid improves from his rookie year (likely) - Shakir maintains his effectiveness with increased targets. - Cook continues to improve as a pass catcher (he improved last year, why not again?) - Knox plays well when he’s on the field (hopefully he his fully healthy this year). I think the goal is all of the above happens and we add a 1st round receiver. Trading up for the 4th WR on our board. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Kaenon said: I would say, based on how things have gone, WR @ #28 I’m saying wr at #17, specifically Thomas if he’s still available. If he’s gone you stay at 28 and take your fav of worthy, Legette, Ladd, or Adonai. My preference is Ladd but I don’t think that’s buffalo preference. Adonai has buffalo written all over them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I feel like it's fairly likely we add a starter either Samuel, Hollywood or trade today or tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: I feel like it's fairly likely we add a starter either Samuel, Hollywood or trade today or tomorrow I don’t know now. If they took he whole Josh restructure I’m right with you. But leaving $8 million makes me think it’s not happening anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: I don’t know now. If they took he whole Josh restructure I’m right with you. But leaving $8 million makes me think it’s not happening anymore. Taron Johnson, Milano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Taron Johnson, Milano They can do it I just think there’s some budgeting going on. An internal limit on cash spending. Maybe I’m wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Glad we aren't jumping on this ridiculous WR market, and I hope Beane doesn't get desperate and buckle. People are freaking out about Noah Brown and Darnell Mooney. Last year the names were Jakobi Meyers and Parris Campbell. These guys are mediocre complimentary pieces who need to be 4th-5th in the target hierarchy. Maybe $2-3 million per year. Not $8-10 million. Stefon Diggs is our #1 target. Dalton Kincaid is #2. Khalil Shakir should be #3. We still have Dawson Knox and James Cook. I get the need to add another receiver. But everyone needs to calm down. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They can do it I just think there’s some budgeting going on. An internal limit on cash spending. Maybe I’m wrong. They just forked out massive cash payments to Dawkins and Allen. Edited March 12 by Warriorspikes51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: They just forked up massive cash payments to Dawkins and Allen Yes. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Yes. Exactly. What? you said you think they have a limit on cash spending? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Yes. Exactly. I love all this budgeting bull. If there was true budgeting none of this extensions or restructuring occur. Just cuz it wasn’t a full Allen restructure people think TP is being tight. It’s judicious cap management that’s happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: What? you said you think they have a limit on cash spending? Yes exactly! Give me your best reason why they didn’t take all the cap they could from Josh Allen? Remember that Josh Allen isn’t going anywhere in the next 10 years. Meaning they can push his cap hits for at least 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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