CaptnCoke11 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 17 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Dean Retweeted it that is the only reason I put it here. I dont know. Only put it here because Dean retweeted it. I tend to trust Dean but maybe he got caught with one. It’s BS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 13 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Something’s gotta be off with the cap calculation or there are still some more moves still coming because we can’t field a full team right now cap wise according to the cap numbers last updated in this thread. We wouldn’t even be able to sign any rookies, let alone fill out the rest of the roster. Yeah site have us just1 mill under the cap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I gotta' say that stressing about what the Bills exact cap number is at this moment is the definition of OCD. They've made most of the moves. Getting well past cap compliant was never going to be THAT difficult. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 15 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Beane does a lot of work after 8pm - check back at midnight! Going beyond midnight now the Jones deal announced after 1am. Beane After Dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Something’s gotta be off with the cap calculation or there are still some more moves still coming because we can’t field a full team right now cap wise according to the cap numbers last updated in this thread. We wouldn’t even be able to sign any rookies, let alone fill out the rest of the roster. We have to wait for all the details, but it looks like Beane is just under the cap with everything that happened up to now. Beane IMO is not going to restructure other player until he needs the money. All the future guys under $1M don't really count against the Top 51 and the rookies will total around $3M tops. Nothing to worry about there. I wasn't expecting any big FA signings but you never know with Beane but he will get Tre Whites $10M June 1st. So, we got a long wait until we see who is exactly coming to camp. I recommend patience! LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DanInUticaTampa Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 26 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Something’s gotta be off with the cap calculation or there are still some more moves still coming because we can’t field a full team right now cap wise according to the cap numbers last updated in this thread. We wouldn’t even be able to sign any rookies, let alone fill out the rest of the roster. Yeah, something ain't right. Hoping that it is just because the new signings weren't calculated right into the cap numbers, because we would probably have to shed another 5 million at minimum to last us until the June 1st when we get the tre white money. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Spotrac has AJE's 2024 cap hit at $3.9M. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/aj-epenesa-47649/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: Spotrac has AJE's 2024 cap hit at $3.9M. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/aj-epenesa-47649/ Yeah gonna be around there 100K difference in the two reports. Either way good deal when looking at the details of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 Given AJ’s contract, I figure the Bills are about 5.66 over the cap before factoring in Jones, Lewis, Dawkins and Knox. If Lewis is about 1.5 and Jones about 6, that puts us at 13.16 over. Most of that will probably be erased by the Dawkins extension and Knox pay cut, but it looks like there is still some work to do by tomorrow. My guess is an extension for Johnson and maybe a restructure for Oliver or Milano. I can also see Gilliam getting cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, GASabresIUFan said: Given AJ’s contract, I figure the Bills are about 5.66 over the cap before factoring in Jones, Lewis, Dawkins and Knox. If Lewis is about 1.5 and Jones about 6, that puts us at 13.16 over. Most of that will probably be erased by the Dawkins extension and Knox pay cut, but it looks like there is still some work to do by tomorrow. My guess is an extension for Johnson and maybe a restructure for Oliver or Milano. I can also see Gilliam getting cut. Right now SPOTRAC has Bills at -706K in space Not accounted for yet are D Jones and Cam Lewis No Numbers for Knox Cut and Dawkins extension. Allens restructure is accounted for. So does Knox and Dawkins wipe out Jones and Lewis (likely) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 (edited) 7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Right now SPOTRAC has Bills at -706K in space Not accounted for yet are D Jones and Cam Lewis No Numbers for Knox Cut and Dawkins extension. Allens restructure is accounted for. So does Knox and Dawkins wipe out Jones and Lewis (likely) Math seems weird. I thought they had us at 4 million over before accounting for AJ. Now they account for AJ and his 3.94 cap hit and the overage goes down by 3 million? Weird. I could have read it wrong. Maybe it was 4 million under. Edited March 12 by GASabresIUFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 10 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: Given AJ’s contract, I figure the Bills are about 5.66 over the cap before factoring in Jones, Lewis, Dawkins and Knox. If Lewis is about 1.5 and Jones about 6, that puts us at 13.16 over. Most of that will probably be erased by the Dawkins extension and Knox pay cut, but it looks like there is still some work to do by tomorrow. My guess is an extension for Johnson and maybe a restructure for Oliver or Milano. I can also see Gilliam getting cut. It’s closer to about 5 million over after estimating Jones and Lewis. They are around 500k-1million under right right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Right now SPOTRAC has Bills at -706K in space Not accounted for yet are D Jones and Cam Lewis No Numbers for Knox Cut and Dawkins extension. Allens restructure is accounted for. So does Knox and Dawkins wipe out Jones and Lewis (likely) That's for all the players. Top 51 is +$883k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, ColoradoBills said: That's for all the players. Top 51 is +$883k. Even better then 8 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: Math seems weird. I thought they had us at 4 million over before accounting for AJ. Now they account for AJ and his 3.94 cap hit and the overage goes down by 3 million? Weird. I could have read it wrong. Maybe it was 4 million under. Allen's Restructure hit. on their books as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Even better then Allen's Restructure hit. on their books as well That doesn’t work. If you were 4 million over add another 4 million and then removes 16.7, you should then be 8.7 to the good not just 800k. We are missing something else they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 45 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I gotta' say that stressing about what the Bills exact cap number is at this moment is the definition of OCD. They've made most of the moves. Getting well past cap compliant was never going to be THAT difficult. While I agree here, I think a lot of folks are interested in order to see them create enough space to add an "exciting" FA or two. However, your point still stands, because they will always make a cap move if needed for any new future signings. Edited March 12 by TPS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 47 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: We have to wait for all the details, but it looks like Beane is just under the cap with everything that happened up to now. Beane IMO is not going to restructure other player until he needs the money. All the future guys under $1M don't really count against the Top 51 and the rookies will total around $3M tops. Nothing to worry about there. I wasn't expecting any big FA signings but you never know with Beane but he will get Tre Whites $10M June 1st. So, we got a long wait until we see who is exactly coming to camp. I recommend patience! LOL. We can’t be done in FA though whether it’s now or later as we still have too many holes to fill that we aren’t filling with 11 draft picks, which is probably less than 11 as I expect Beane to makes some moves around the draft. So something has to be off on the latest numbers in the thread or something more coming because we don’t seem to have enough cap room to get through both FA and the draft right now, even with Tre’s $10M coming after June 1st. Or maybe I’m missing something. I’m just trying to figure out where the extra cap space is coming from since they seemed to have left some cap space on the table with Allens restructure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: We can’t be done in FA though whether it’s now or later as we still have too many holes to fill that we aren’t filling with 11 draft picks, which is probably less than 11 as I expect Beane to makes some moves around the draft. So something has to be off on the latest numbers in the thread or something more coming because we don’t seem to have enough cap room to get through both FA and the draft right now, even with Tre’s $10M coming after June 1st. Or maybe I’m missing something. I’m just trying to figure out where the extra cap space is coming from since they seemed to have left some cap space on the table with Allens restructure. Like I said, Beane will restructure the players he has left that are eligible when he needs it. He can agree to a contract with a FA player and do the restructure at the same time. He doesn't need to free the money up first. He did the same thing last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I dont see any smaller signings right now at WR. It doesnt make sense. You would lose one of your compensatory for a player that you dont think would contribute and you are going to draft over likely multiple times in a Once in a Generation WR draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 35 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Even better then Allen's Restructure hit. on their books as well I was annoyed at spotrac, so I did a cap calculation with 6 million allocated to Jones and 1.5 to Lewis, but without deducting for Dawkins and Knox and we are approximately 5 million over. Given that calculation and assuming Knox and Dawkins save us at least $6 million we are probably good unless we sign someone else. Spotrac estimates over 11 million for our draft picks, but only a 6.7 million cap hit in our top 51. Not sure when that cap has to be available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) I am hearing rumors that the next Bills cap move that will process is a Taron Johnson extension. 4 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: I was annoyed at spotrac, so I did a cap calculation with 6 million allocated to Jones and 1.5 to Lewis, but without deducting for Dawkins and Knox and we are approximately 5 million over. Given that calculation and assuming Knox and Dawkins save us at least $6 million we are probably good unless we sign someone else. Spotrac estimates over 11 million for our draft picks, but only a 6.7 million cap hit in our top 51. Not sure when that cap has to be available. Only matters when signing draft picks. So not needed until then (Same time Tres money frees up BTW). Also we are now at 53. So starting with the Next signing the Cap hit will have a discount to it of 800K as one falls off the top 51. calculations. Overthecap seems to have a better grasp this year, I am waiting on the official NFLPA numbers that will come out right before the real UFA period starts. Edited March 12 by MAJBobby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khlax3 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Something’s gotta be off with the cap calculation or there are still some more moves still coming because we can’t field a full team right now cap wise according to the cap numbers last updated in this thread. We wouldn’t even be able to sign any rookies, let alone fill out the rest of the roster. Rookies a moves for in season stuff will come from tre’s post 6/1 money. Agree we need to bring in several more free agents to fill out roster though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: I was annoyed at spotrac, so I did a cap calculation with 6 million allocated to Jones and 1.5 to Lewis, but without deducting for Dawkins and Knox and we are approximately 5 million over. Given that calculation and assuming Knox and Dawkins save us at least $6 million we are probably good unless we sign someone else. Spotrac estimates over 11 million for our draft picks, but only a 6.7 million cap hit in our top 51. Not sure when that cap has to be available. The $6.7M is the cap hit for the rookies. Each one will replace a guy already on the Top 51. Figure $0.9M for the top 4 picks. That's a total of $3.6M offset from the $6.7. The rookie class when the dust settles will cost a little less than $3M in new cap needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khlax3 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 15 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I dont see any smaller signings right now at WR. It doesnt make sense. You would lose one of your compensatory for a player that you dont think would contribute and you are going to draft over likely multiple times in a Once in a Generation WR draft. I don’t know if we will sign a WR (we should along with a draft pick) but I don’t think this is the year we are going to be able to worry about comp picks. With the number of guys we released we need to fill out the roster and we will likely need to sign more guys than we lose as FA. Not building a complete roster this year to potentially get a 5th round next year is not worth it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: It’s all BS clickbait Yeah comments give it away on X. Damn it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 9 minutes ago, khlax3 said: I don’t know if we will sign a WR (we should along with a draft pick) but I don’t think this is the year we are going to be able to worry about comp picks. With the number of guys we released we need to fill out the roster and we will likely need to sign more guys than we lose as FA. Not building a complete roster this year to potentially get a 5th round next year is not worth it Last year Beane signed a bunch of free agents at the $1.7M cost, which was under the amount that calculated out as FA gains for compensatory pick using the formula. I expect a number of those signing again this year. Beane still might go for a bigger $ FA, but only if it fits what he is doing. Edited March 12 by ColoradoBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 7 minutes ago, khlax3 said: I don’t know if we will sign a WR (we should along with a draft pick) but I don’t think this is the year we are going to be able to worry about comp picks. With the number of guys we released we need to fill out the roster and we will likely need to sign more guys than we lose as FA. Not building a complete roster this year to potentially get a 5th round next year is not worth it Where are the holes right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Where are the holes right now? WR2. WR3. FS. IOL depth. S depth. DT depth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, FireChans said: WR2. WR3. FS. IOL depth. S depth. DT depth. Draft Draft Draft Draft Draft Draft 11 picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, FireChans said: WR2. WR3. FS. IOL depth. S depth. DT depth. WR2 SS (I think they like Rapp more back deep) depth everywhere besides QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khlax3 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Where are the holes right now? based on the numbers they kept last year at each position they still need: 2 Safties 1-2 CB 1-2 LB 2 DT 1-2 DE 2 RB 1-2 OL 2-3 WR and they also don’t have a guy who could be KR/PR currently That is just to get to a 53 man roster. Your also going to need completion for guys like Doyle, Hamlin and other end of roster guys Edited March 12 by khlax3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Im not sure what else Beane is going to do, we are still over with the additions we have made. I guess he needs to restructure a couple more and maybe go ahead and tap into the 8 mill not used up on Allens contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I really want a safety but I'm not really sure how many more levers the Bills have to pull. Restructure Diggs? Extend Taron? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Dawkins bashing Jests again lol 20 minutes ago, FireChans said: WR2. WR3. FS. IOL depth. S depth. DT depth. WR2 or 3, Shakir plugs one of them, dude was phenomenal under Brady 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 14 minutes ago, khlax3 said: based on the numbers they kept last year at each position they still need: 2 Safties 1-2 CB 1-2 LB 2 DT 1-2 DE 2 RB 1-2 OL 2-3 WR and they also don’t have a guy who could be KR/PR currently That is just to get to a 53 man roster. Your also going to need completion for guys like Doyle, Hamlin and other end of roster guys Cool. Now were you one of the ones that also said we need a Mike last year? Because RIGHT now bill have 53 signed (11 Picks) Currently have 8 CBs 3 Safeties 4 LBers 4 DTs 4 DEs 3 RBs 10 OL 7 WRs and have 11 picks to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Dawkins bashing Jests again lol WR2 or 3, Shakir plugs one of them, dude was phenomenal under Brady Need a backup boundary WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 22 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Draft Draft Draft Draft Draft Draft 11 picks Yup Only had 14 the last 2 years combined. I'm sure we won't use all 11 but 6 draftees in 23 and 8 in 22. Probably come out of this draft with 8-10 rookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 26 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Draft Draft Draft Draft Draft Draft 11 picks I’m hopeful that we can walk away with 2 day 1 starters via the draft but it’s not always that simple. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 So question for the masses during a Lul. While I am sure it is something Front Offices think of, do you think that they obsess over things Like Compensatory Picks like the fans do. I am sure they have some level of consideration as they are building their off-season plans, but do you think it gets as much time in the NFL FOs as fans give to this program? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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