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Bills Cap Status - Approx $4.25 under cap 4/03/2024 (added roster change summary)


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13 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Something’s gotta be off with the cap calculation or there are still some more moves still coming because we can’t field a full team right now cap wise according to the cap numbers last updated in this thread.  We wouldn’t even be able to sign any rookies, let alone fill out the rest of the roster.  

Yeah site have us just1 mill under the cap

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I gotta' say that stressing about what the Bills exact cap number is at this moment is the definition of OCD. :lol:

 

They've made most of the moves.    Getting well past cap compliant was never going to be THAT difficult. 

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10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Something’s gotta be off with the cap calculation or there are still some more moves still coming because we can’t field a full team right now cap wise according to the cap numbers last updated in this thread.  We wouldn’t even be able to sign any rookies, let alone fill out the rest of the roster.  

 

We have to wait for all the details, but it looks like Beane is just under the cap with everything that happened up to now.

Beane IMO is not going to restructure other player until he needs the money.  All the future guys under $1M don't really count against

the Top 51 and the rookies will total around $3M tops.  Nothing to worry about there.

 

I wasn't expecting any big FA signings but you never know with Beane but he will get Tre Whites $10M June 1st.  So, we got a long wait until

we see who is exactly coming to camp.  I recommend patience!  LOL.

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26 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Something’s gotta be off with the cap calculation or there are still some more moves still coming because we can’t field a full team right now cap wise according to the cap numbers last updated in this thread.  We wouldn’t even be able to sign any rookies, let alone fill out the rest of the roster.  

Yeah, something ain't right. Hoping that it is just because the new signings weren't calculated right into the cap numbers,  because we would probably have to shed another 5 million at minimum to last us until the June 1st when we get the tre white money.

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Given AJ’s contract, I figure the Bills are about 5.66 over the cap before factoring in Jones, Lewis, Dawkins and Knox.  
 

If Lewis is about 1.5 and Jones about 6, that puts us at 13.16 over.  Most of that will probably be erased by the Dawkins extension and Knox pay cut, but it looks like there is still some work to do by tomorrow.  My guess is an extension for Johnson and maybe a restructure for Oliver or Milano. I can also see Gilliam getting cut.

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1 minute ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Given AJ’s contract, I figure the Bills are about 5.66 over the cap before factoring in Jones, Lewis, Dawkins and Knox.  
 

If Lewis is about 1.5 and Jones about 6, that puts us at 13.16 over.  Most of that will probably be erased by the Dawkins extension and Knox pay cut, but it looks like there is still some work to do by tomorrow.  My guess is an extension for Johnson and maybe a restructure for Oliver or Milano. I can also see Gilliam getting cut.

Right now SPOTRAC has Bills at -706K in space

 

Not accounted for yet are D Jones and Cam Lewis 

 

No Numbers for Knox Cut and Dawkins extension.

 

Allens restructure is accounted for.  So does Knox and Dawkins wipe out Jones and Lewis (likely)

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7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Right now SPOTRAC has Bills at -706K in space

 

Not accounted for yet are D Jones and Cam Lewis 

 

No Numbers for Knox Cut and Dawkins extension.

 

Allens restructure is accounted for.  So does Knox and Dawkins wipe out Jones and Lewis (likely)

Math seems weird.  I thought they had us at 4 million over before accounting for AJ.  Now they account for AJ and his 3.94 cap hit and the overage goes down by 3 million?  Weird.  I could have read it wrong.  Maybe it was 4 million under.  

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10 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Given AJ’s contract, I figure the Bills are about 5.66 over the cap before factoring in Jones, Lewis, Dawkins and Knox.  
 

If Lewis is about 1.5 and Jones about 6, that puts us at 13.16 over.  Most of that will probably be erased by the Dawkins extension and Knox pay cut, but it looks like there is still some work to do by tomorrow.  My guess is an extension for Johnson and maybe a restructure for Oliver or Milano. I can also see Gilliam getting cut.

It’s closer to about 5 million over after estimating Jones and Lewis.  They are around 500k-1million under right right 

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13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Right now SPOTRAC has Bills at -706K in space

 

Not accounted for yet are D Jones and Cam Lewis 

 

No Numbers for Knox Cut and Dawkins extension.

 

Allens restructure is accounted for.  So does Knox and Dawkins wipe out Jones and Lewis (likely)

 

That's for all the players.  Top 51 is +$883k.

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That's for all the players.  Top 51 is +$883k.

Even better then

8 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Math seems weird.  I thought they had us at 4 million over before accounting for AJ.  Now they account for AJ and his 3.94 cap hit and the overage goes down by 3 million?  Weird.  I could have read it wrong.  Maybe it was 4 million under.  

Allen's Restructure hit. on their books as well

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2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Even better then

Allen's Restructure hit. on their books as well

That doesn’t work.  If you were 4 million over add another 4 million and then removes 16.7, you should then be 8.7 to the good not just 800k. We are missing something else they did.

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45 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I gotta' say that stressing about what the Bills exact cap number is at this moment is the definition of OCD. :lol:

 

They've made most of the moves.    Getting well past cap compliant was never going to be THAT difficult. 

While I agree here, I think a lot of folks are interested in order to see them create enough space to add an "exciting" FA or two.  However, your point still stands, because they will always make a cap move if needed for any new future signings.

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47 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

We have to wait for all the details, but it looks like Beane is just under the cap with everything that happened up to now.

Beane IMO is not going to restructure other player until he needs the money.  All the future guys under $1M don't really count against

the Top 51 and the rookies will total around $3M tops.  Nothing to worry about there.

 

I wasn't expecting any big FA signings but you never know with Beane but he will get Tre Whites $10M June 1st.  So, we got a long wait until

we see who is exactly coming to camp.  I recommend patience!  LOL.


We can’t be done in FA though whether it’s now or later as we still have too many holes to fill that we aren’t filling with 11 draft picks, which is probably less than 11 as I expect Beane to makes some moves around the draft.  
 

So something has to be off on the latest numbers in the thread or something more coming because we don’t seem to have enough cap room to get through both FA and the draft right now, even with Tre’s $10M coming after June 1st.  
 

Or maybe I’m missing something.  I’m just trying to figure out where the extra cap space is coming from since they seemed to have left some cap space on the table with Allens restructure.  
 

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7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:


We can’t be done in FA though whether it’s now or later as we still have too many holes to fill that we aren’t filling with 11 draft picks, which is probably less than 11 as I expect Beane to makes some moves around the draft.  
 

So something has to be off on the latest numbers in the thread or something more coming because we don’t seem to have enough cap room to get through both FA and the draft right now, even with Tre’s $10M coming after June 1st.  
 

Or maybe I’m missing something.  I’m just trying to figure out where the extra cap space is coming from since they seemed to have left some cap space on the table with Allens restructure.  
 

 

Like I said, Beane will restructure the players he has left that are eligible when he needs it.  He can agree to a contract with a FA player

and do the restructure at the same time.  He doesn't need to free the money up first.  He did the same thing last season.

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I dont see any smaller signings right now at WR.  It doesnt make sense.  You would lose one of your compensatory for a player that you dont think would contribute and you are going to draft over likely multiple times in a Once in a Generation WR draft. 

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35 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Even better then

Allen's Restructure hit. on their books as well

I was annoyed at spotrac, so I did a cap calculation with 6 million allocated to Jones and 1.5 to Lewis, but without deducting for Dawkins and Knox and we are approximately 5 million over.  Given that calculation and assuming Knox and Dawkins save us at least $6 million we are probably good unless we sign someone else.  Spotrac estimates over 11 million for our draft picks, but only a 6.7 million cap hit in our top 51.  Not sure when that cap has to be available.  

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I am hearing rumors that the next Bills cap move that will process is a Taron Johnson extension.  

4 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

I was annoyed at spotrac, so I did a cap calculation with 6 million allocated to Jones and 1.5 to Lewis, but without deducting for Dawkins and Knox and we are approximately 5 million over.  Given that calculation and assuming Knox and Dawkins save us at least $6 million we are probably good unless we sign someone else.  Spotrac estimates over 11 million for our draft picks, but only a 6.7 million cap hit in our top 51.  Not sure when that cap has to be available.  

Only matters when signing draft picks.  So not needed until then (Same time Tres money frees up BTW).  Also we are now at 53.  So starting with the Next signing the Cap hit will have a discount to it of 800K as one falls off the top 51. calculations.  

 

Overthecap seems to have a better grasp this year, I am waiting on the official NFLPA numbers that will come out right before the real UFA period starts. 

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1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Something’s gotta be off with the cap calculation or there are still some more moves still coming because we can’t field a full team right now cap wise according to the cap numbers last updated in this thread.  We wouldn’t even be able to sign any rookies, let alone fill out the rest of the roster.  

Rookies a moves for in season stuff will come from tre’s post 6/1 money. Agree we need to bring in several more free agents to fill out roster though

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2 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

I was annoyed at spotrac, so I did a cap calculation with 6 million allocated to Jones and 1.5 to Lewis, but without deducting for Dawkins and Knox and we are approximately 5 million over.  Given that calculation and assuming Knox and Dawkins save us at least $6 million we are probably good unless we sign someone else.  Spotrac estimates over 11 million for our draft picks, but only a 6.7 million cap hit in our top 51.  Not sure when that cap has to be available.  

 

The $6.7M is the cap hit for the rookies.  Each one will replace a guy already on the Top 51.  Figure $0.9M for the top 4 picks.

That's a total of $3.6M offset from the $6.7.  The rookie class when the dust settles will cost a little less than $3M in new cap needed.

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15 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I dont see any smaller signings right now at WR.  It doesnt make sense.  You would lose one of your compensatory for a player that you dont think would contribute and you are going to draft over likely multiple times in a Once in a Generation WR draft. 

I don’t know if we will sign a WR (we should along with a draft pick) but I don’t think this is the year we are going to be able to worry about comp picks. With the number of guys we released we need to fill out the roster and we will likely need to sign more guys than we lose as FA. Not building a complete roster this year to potentially get a 5th round next year is not worth it

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9 minutes ago, khlax3 said:

I don’t know if we will sign a WR (we should along with a draft pick) but I don’t think this is the year we are going to be able to worry about comp picks. With the number of guys we released we need to fill out the roster and we will likely need to sign more guys than we lose as FA. Not building a complete roster this year to potentially get a 5th round next year is not worth it

 

Last year Beane signed a bunch of free agents at the $1.7M cost, which was under the amount that calculated out as FA gains for

compensatory pick using the formula.  I expect a number of those signing again this year.  Beane still might go for a bigger $ FA,

but only if it fits what he is doing.

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7 minutes ago, khlax3 said:

I don’t know if we will sign a WR (we should along with a draft pick) but I don’t think this is the year we are going to be able to worry about comp picks. With the number of guys we released we need to fill out the roster and we will likely need to sign more guys than we lose as FA. Not building a complete roster this year to potentially get a 5th round next year is not worth it

Where are the holes right now?

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8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Where are the holes right now?


based on the numbers they kept last year at each position they still need:

 

2 Safties

1-2 CB

1-2 LB

2 DT

1-2 DE

2 RB

1-2 OL

2-3 WR

 

and they also don’t have a guy who could be KR/PR currently


That is just to get to a 53 man roster. Your also going to need completion for guys like Doyle, Hamlin and other end of roster guys

 

 

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14 minutes ago, khlax3 said:


based on the numbers they kept last year at each position they still need:

 

2 Safties

1-2 CB

1-2 LB

2 DT

1-2 DE

2 RB

1-2 OL

2-3 WR

 

and they also don’t have a guy who could be KR/PR currently


That is just to get to a 53 man roster. Your also going to need completion for guys like Doyle, Hamlin and other end of roster guys

 

 

Cool.  Now were you one of the ones that also said we need a Mike last year?  

 

Because RIGHT now bill have 53 signed (11 Picks) 

 

Currently have 8 CBs 

3 Safeties 

4 LBers

4 DTs

4 DEs

3 RBs

10 OL

7 WRs

 

and have 11 picks to come. 

 

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22 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Draft

Draft

Draft

Draft

Draft

Draft

 

11 picks 

Yup

Only had 14 the last 2 years combined. I'm sure we won't use all 11 but 6 draftees in 23 and 8 in 22. 

Probably come out of this draft with 8-10 rookies. 

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So question for the masses during a Lul.

 

While I am sure it is something Front Offices think of, do you think that they obsess over things Like Compensatory Picks like the fans do. I am sure they have some level of consideration as they are building their off-season plans, but do you think it gets as much time in the NFL FOs as fans give to this program?

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