Mikie2times Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 I forget who it was but I recall reading an article last year that had a very good WR saying he was the most underrated WR in the NFL. Which I believe. Would be thrilled to have him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: We’re not moving diggs, nor should we I wish the speculation would stop!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: I wish the speculation would stop!! I'm in the same boat. I need to get better about it, honestly. It makes my blood boil and feel like i'm on crazy pills reading it. But ultimately, it doesn't matter. They can talk about it all they want. It's not going to happen. They're (oddly) just fantasizing and talking about something that only exists in their own heads. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 16 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I'm in the same boat. I need to get better about it, honestly. It makes my blood boil and feel like i'm on crazy pills reading it. But ultimately, it doesn't matter. They can talk about it all they want. It's not going to happen. They're (oddly) just fantasizing and talking about something that only exists in their own heads. what are you going to say IF he gets traded🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: what are you going to say IF he gets traded🤣 I don't have to worry about that. Some of the many things that you've posted about that had no chance of happening and didn't happen made more sense than this does. What are you going to say when he's here and especially if he has a great year for us? After you've spent the entire offseason arguing why he shouldn't be here and salivating over the idea of moving him in post after post? Edited February 21 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 29 is the tail end of a prime. If we want to win, we need 24 year old players on rookie deals outpacing guys like McLaurin. Then you add a couple guys like Terry on vet minimum deals chasing rings to be your 4th WR, not your #1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 20 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I don't have to worry about that. Some of the many things that you've posted about that had no chance of happening and didn't happen made more sense than this does. What are you going to say when he's here and especially if he has a great year for us? After you've spent the entire offseason arguing why he shouldn't be here and salivating over the idea of moving him in post after post? The only one being definitive is you lol. I haven’t seen a single person say that Diggs is definitely going to be moved this off-season. This is probably why you keep getting sucked into talking about it. Someone says, “it’s possible” and you fly off the handle a bit arguing about why it’s NOT POSSIBLE. In a fun “trade for Terry McLaurin” thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 18 minutes ago, FireChans said: The only one being definitive is you lol. I haven’t seen a single person say that Diggs is definitely going to be moved this off-season. This is probably why you keep getting sucked into talking about it. Someone says, “it’s possible” and you fly off the handle a bit arguing about why it’s NOT POSSIBLE. In a fun “trade for Terry McLaurin” thread. Anything is possible. It's physically possible someone offers us 7 1st Round Picks for Josh Allen. But the thing that has me riled up about Diggs is post after post after post around here, often from the same people, talking about it like it's extremely realistic - when it's simply not. I'm guilty of being annoyed by unrealistic talk and wanting to stay grounded in Offseason talk. In the shape we're in this season, financially and roster wise, it makes no sense to move him. If, as you say, there's no difference in saving between moving him later this offseason and moving him next offseason - what sense does it make to not have him here this year after we pay him 18.5m guaranteed vs. having him, moving on from him next year before more guarantees come in, and saving the same amount? Especially when we'll be replacing half of the WR core as is? Why would we choose to replace not 1, but both starters and create a scenario where Josh has just 1 WR on the roster (Shakir) that he's ever thrown a pass to - and hand over 18.5m in guarantees to do so? Edited February 21 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Was the Diggs trade not smart? The Jets and Dolphins crumbled because their QB’s ain’t it. The Rams won the Super Bowl with the top heaviest roster in NFL history. The Diggs trade is an interesting question. Was it smart? I suppose it would depend on a few variables to know for certain. First off, how would that pick have been spent? If it would have played out the way the draft did and we end up with Justin Jefferson on 5 years of cost controlled rookie contract...a case could be made. Also, what deems the trade that did happen a success? We have won a few AFCE titles. But that's not the goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 3 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Draft young, faster and cheaper WRs. 29 this year will be 30 by next, and isn’t that part of the concern with Diggs? I don’t like the idea of wasting money on any FA WRs this offseason. Shore up other positions as much as possible before the draft, otherwise round out the squad during the draft. Agreed, just draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 28 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Anything is possible. It's physically possible someone offers us 7 1st Round Picks for Josh Allen. But the thing that has me riled up about Diggs is post after post after post around here, often from the same people, talking about it like it's extremely realistic - when it's simply not. I'm guilty of being annoyed by unrealistic talk and wanting to stay grounded in Offseason talk. In the shape we're in this season, financially and roster wise, it makes no sense to move him. If, as you say, there's no difference in saving between moving him later this offseason and moving him next offseason - what sense does it make to not have him here this year after we pay him 18.5m guaranteed vs. having him, moving on from him next year before more guarantees come in, and saving the same amount? Especially when we'll be replacing half of the WR core as is? Why would we choose to replace not 1, but both starters and create a scenario where Josh has just 1 WR on the roster (Shakir) that he's ever thrown a pass to - and hand over 18.5m in guarantees to do so? there is a difference in 2024 money saved. Not 2025 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, FireChans said: McLaurin, if traded, is going to cost Washington $16.8M against their cap in dead money. I don’t think he is have a cap hit of $18.5M for the team trading for him. He could walk after 2025. Or demand out sooner, because he hates it there. Diggs got out of his first stop with more years on his deal. To be clear, if I was Washington, I wouldn’t trade him. But bad franchises gonna bad franchise. So, “they wouldn’t want to do that” doesn’t fly as an argument for me lol. Washington is under new ownership. Just because it was a disaster under Dan Snyder doesn’t have anything to do with Josh Harris and the people he has brought in. The dead cap that would hit Washington’s cap would be due to money that they already paid him. Every dollar that the Bills would pay him would hit their cap. That would be $18.5M in 2024 and $18M in 2025 - unless they renegotiated his contract with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 26 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: The Diggs trade is an interesting question. Was it smart? I suppose it would depend on a few variables to know for certain. First off, how would that pick have been spent? If it would have played out the way the draft did and we end up with Justin Jefferson on 5 years of cost controlled rookie contract...a case could be made. Also, what deems the trade that did happen a success? We have won a few AFCE titles. But that's not the goal. My barometer for “was this a good decision” is not “did we win a Super Bowl.” Because if that’s you’re barometer, then Clyde Edwards Helaire was a great draft pick and the Josh Allen pick was not a success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 I am not sure adding a rookie WR even if he is a first rounder is what this team needs to put it over the top. How is that even reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 I'd be okay with trading a 4th or later for him and giving him a 3/4 year extension. You don't want to pay these WRs into their mid 30s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 I would have guessed he was like 24 years old....doesn't seem like he's been around that long at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Think I’d offer a 3rd for him. Conditional to a 2nd if he has like 100rec, 1,000yrds, and 10TD. Something like that. If it’s before this draft I think a 3rd is as high as I’d go. Although maybe a 2nd and get something back. In this case, pick up McClaurin for a 2nd. Draft Sweat at DT in the first. A 3rd Rd WR or Safety is then a must. Oh, and I’m keeping Diggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 14 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I'll keep it 100 here with you. When it comes to intricacies of contracts, dead cap hits, cap hits - I'm not a capologist. I just go off what I'm told. Everyone has said next year is the earliest we should be looking at moving on from Diggs. That it's way better for us with his contract to do it then, then now. Posters will tweak numbers to a point that make their narrative work and swear it's the best to do it now. But I've heard no one besides people on this board say it makes any sense. Regardless, if we are to do it, we wouldn't wait until after his 18.5m salary becomes fully guaranteed. The bolded probably assumes no restructuring to create cap for 2024? Because when you do that, the 2025 numbers get worse. Anyway I am just assuming he is on the team for the foreseeable future. Sure they could move on but it seems like a low probability event because of the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 9 hours ago, Process said: I would have guessed he was like 24 years old....doesn't seem like he's been around that long at all He was an older rookie. He redshirted and then played all 4 years at OSU. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 13 hours ago, FireChans said: Was the Diggs trade not smart? The Jets and Dolphins crumbled because their QB’s ain’t it. The Rams won the Super Bowl with the top heaviest roster in NFL history. The Diggs trade was terrible. I mean, sure we got a quality WR who's definitely one of the best at the position, however, when you consider that we traded our pick to Minnesota to get Diggs, we also gave up the chance to draft Justin Jefferson, who Minnie selected with OUR pick, i might add. You give me the option of Diggs or Jefferson and i know who i'm picking alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll day long......and it ain't Diggs. Sorry.......not sorry. 9 hours ago, mrags said: Think I’d offer a 3rd for him. Conditional to a 2nd if he has like 100rec, 1,000yrds, and 10TD. Something like that. If it’s before this draft I think a 3rd is as high as I’d go. Although maybe a 2nd and get something back. In this case, pick up McClaurin for a 2nd. Draft Sweat at DT in the first. A 3rd Rd WR or Safety is then a must. Oh, and I’m keeping Diggs. Why thank you, sir.....i didn't even know i was in the running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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