Multiple people shot at KC parade.

[Bermuda Triangle]

14 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I'll save you the trouble of thinking about the difference between maintaining confidentiality when a fellow student, well known to many of his fellow students teachers and school admins, commits a heinous act vs. two juveniles who were likely anonymous to the people around them (and protected by "snitches get stitches" to those who do know them)

 

Nice username by the way.

 

 

Judging by the content of their posts, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the poster was an alumnus of the esteemed university of the same name 

[machine gun kelly]

CN someone send me the link to donate to whatever charity will help the families of the injured and the poor guy who died.  I looked through the first two pages, and the 21st.  I’d like to help, and I don’t care about anonymity.  Helping people in need always supersedes any petty fandom thing.  This is about people. That need help.

[nucci]

Just admit it's very easy to obtain guns in this country, legally or not.

[TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th]

Just to a look at the top donors of the gofundme for the lady that was shot and killed.  Taylor swift donated $100,000 and then after that I don't notice a single name.  None of these multi millionaire football players could muster up a few measley thousand dollars? Mahomes is worth like 100 million.  Him donating $10,000 is the equivalent of an average American who is worth $100,000 donating $10. 

 

I cant imagine the outreach and support if this happened to fellow bills mafia.

[KDIGGZ]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

Just admit it's very easy to obtain guns in this country, legally or not.

It's easy in every country. It's a triggering mechanism to a firing pin and a barrel. Very crude design that hasn't changed much in hundreds of years. You can 3D print one, make one yourself, or get one from where they are legal. You will never stop bad guys from having them. They don't follow laws.

[Chicken Boo]

On 2/15/2024 at 8:38 PM, Patrick Fitzryan said:

How do you explain the fact that in countries where redlining and segregation never took place, like Canada and England, they somehow still have the same issue with the same group committing a significantly disproportionate amount of crime?

 

How do you explain that black children raised in wealthy homes are more likely to go to prison than white children raised in poverty?

 

Many of the issues you mentioned, particularly food deserts and white flight, are self-imposed. People do not want to be around rampant criminality and will rightfully choose to avoid it.

 

The gall to claim I've been somehow propagandized by bad messengers while you spout off complete revisionist history about events like the Tulsa Race Riots (which started when black people killed whites) and their supposed "Black Wall Street" (it was a block with four or five small stores) is laughable.

 

I love your attempt at re-writing history without actually knowing much about it. 

 

At least you stand on your racism.  I'll give you that.

[nucci]

19 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

It's easy in every country. It's a triggering mechanism to a firing pin and a barrel. Very crude design that hasn't changed much in hundreds of years. You can 3D print one, make one yourself, or get one from where they are legal. You will never stop bad guys from having them. They don't follow laws.

so we don't do anything? We have more of these shooting in this country than those others.

[KDIGGZ]

7 minutes ago, nucci said:

so we don't do anything? We have more of these shooting in this country than those others.

What would you like to do? If you can solve this I think we would be all ears. This happens every day in every major city in America but it doesn't get reported on the news because it's typically one demographic using illegal weapons and we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

[BringBackFergy]

2 hours ago, nucci said:

Just admit it's very easy to obtain guns in this country, legally or not.

Here’s a thought. Although there’s a prevalence of guns (handguns, rifles etc) we are now put through a background check to purchase ammo. A firearm in the hands of a criminal is worthless without ammo. So at some point, these criminals will no longer be able to purchase ammo (if other states follow suit and restrict ammo purchases without a quick background check). Is there illegal ammo coming over the border? Probably. But steps could be taken to restrict ammo sales to those over 21 and those who pass a quick State Police “phone in” background check. 
 

I started reloading my own rifle ammo because it’s relaxing and interesting to try different powder charges at different distances. I doubt any criminals will be reloading their own ammo…especially not .22 rimfire rounds. 

[beebe]

1 hour ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

Just to a look at the top donors of the gofundme for the lady that was shot and killed.  Taylor swift donated $100,000 and then after that I don't notice a single name.  None of these multi millionaire football players could muster up a few measley thousand dollars? Mahomes is worth like 100 million.  Him donating $10,000 is the equivalent of an average American who is worth $100,000 donating $10. 

 

I cant imagine the outreach and support if this happened to fellow bills mafia.

 

Not every donation is being harnessed via GoFundMe. 

 

The Chiefs announced Friday that they, the Hunt Family Foundation and NFL have made a combined $200,000 donation to the #KCStrong Fund, a new endeavor created by the Chiefs and United Way Greater Kansas City.

 

In addition, the new fund-raising site showed Friday that Patrick and Brittany Mahomes — along with their “15 & the Mahomies Foundation” — also donated $50,000.

[Coach Tuesday]

^^^ definitely a racist ^^^

[SWATeam]

Does Patrick Fitzryan only have one confederate flag displayed at his house, or is there one affixed to his truck as well???

[Coach Tuesday]

First we were assured upthread that this was a product of mental illness run rampant.

 

Now we’re being told it’s due to the inherent violence of Black men.

 

One poster is telling everyone that only Jesus can fix this (although, inconsistently, apparently Jesus needs the help of some kind of fascist state committed to fundamentalist Christian values per the same poster).

 

The cause is always some “other.”

 

Never about us, our own accountability, our insane gun addiction as a society, among other structural dysfunctions.

 

Personal accountability is MIA in this country.  So much easier to blame other people for anything and everything.

Edited February 17 by Coach Tuesday

[Brand J]

11 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

What would you like to do? If you can solve this I think we would be all ears. This happens every day in every major city in America but it doesn't get reported on the news because it's typically one demographic using illegal weapons and we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

It’s not about hurting anyone’s feelings. If that demographic took those illegal guns, then infiltrated white communities and started killing those people at a rate they kill their own color, I do think there would be an immediate response.

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“Because of the kinds of communities that are primarily impacted, the public and policymakers are less invested in thinking about gun violence prevention interventions in those areas.”

 

https://time.com/6182856/children-gun-deaths-mass-shootings/

Three inner cities with strict gun laws Chicago, DC, and Baltimore, are bordered by states with lax gun laws - Indiana and Virginia. It’s not tough for these kids to get their hands on a weapon. 

 

If you say, “the government hasn’t done anything about mass shooters, what makes you believe they’d do something in that situation?” Compare the numbers. As of 2016, roughly 75 people die each year from mass shootings. The government has made it clear through that the 2nd amendment is more important than that amount of lives lost. It’s a cost they’re willing to pay. But if those inner-city kids started shooting up white communities? I’m pretty certain they wouldn’t accept those thousands of lives lost every year. They’d have to do something about firearms, 2nd Amendment be damned.

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, Patrick Fitzryan said:

LMAO, the same people (you and your ilk) who want more gun control are also the exact same people who think that the group responsible for the overwhelming majority of gun violence in this country should be treated with much more leniency by the justice system. No bail, endless "2nd" chances, lighter sentencing, etc. You don't want accountability for anything.

You don’t know what my ilk are - you don’t know my views on any of this other than that you, Cotton F. (I assume), are a racist.  Which is clear.  You don’t like Black people, just say it, you’ll feel better.  

[Bill from NYC]

Does anyone else think that this thread has gone far enough?

[Brand J]

22 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said:

What racism? It is 100% true that black people are 12X more likely to be murderers than white people. It is 100% true that the Tulsa race riots started after a group of black men killed 10 white men. It's 100% true that their "Black Wall Street" was only four or five small stores. This is all readily available information. You've learned all your "history" from fictional TV and movies.

Where’d you get your information from? After reading your take on the Tulsa race riots you lost all credibility. How did it really begin? Here you go: 

 

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Tulsa police officers arrested Dick Rowland, a Black 19-year-old, May 31, 1921 for allegedly assaulting a white girl, the report said, but there was little evidential proof. The Tulsa newspapers swiftly published incendiary articles about the allegation, prompting a group of mostly white men to descend on the courthouse to lynch Rowland.

 

When Greenwood residents learned of the impending lynch mob, a group of mostly Black men, which included World War I veterans, armed themselves and went to the courthouse to protect Rowland. This method became custom whenever Black people were on trial as they usually faced lynchings.

But the sheriff told the group to leave and they complied.

 

The white mob grew to more than 2,000 and Tulsa police did not disperse the crowd. Later that night, the armed Black men returned to protect Rowland and a fight broke out when a white man tried to disarm a Black man, prompting shooting that lasted through the night, the report said.

 

In the early hours of June 1, 1921, then-Gov. James B. A. Robertson dispatched the National Guard and declared martial law. The National Guard, local law enforcement, and deputized white citizens canvassed Greenwood to disarm, arrest and move Black people to nearby internment camps, dragging some out of their homes. This upheaval resulted in the uncontested mob outnumbering the remaining Black people by 20 to 1, the report said. Old World War I airplanes dropped bombs on Greenwood, with the mob fatally shooting Black people and looting and burning their homes and businesses.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/tulsa-race-massacre-100-years-later-why-it-happened-why-n1268877

Quite a different depiction of how the riots started, no?

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, Patrick Fitzryan said:

I know exactly what your views are. Calling people "racist" for citing factual evidence, complaining about "fascist Christian fundamentalism"...you're on the far left, and the main tenet of your religion is repudiating reality so that you don't have to deal with uncomfortable truths, all while being consistently hypocritical and sanctimonious.

 

Some people choose to not live their entire life lying to themselves. Deal with it.

I am so far from being on the “far left” Cotton…

[NoSaint]

16 hours ago, Brand J said:

Firstly, I applaud you for being open and willing to listen. Whenever race is brought up on these boards it’s often met with roll eye emojis from individuals who don’t care or are unwilling to hear the other side. The pervasive attitude is, “slavery was almost 150 years ago, that has nothing to do with the people of today.” Which of course is incredibly short-sighted.
I also sympathize with how you’re viewed by those of another color, when you’ve had absolutely nothing to do with the horrors of the past. After all, your great grandparents may have immigrated much later, or maybe were from the north and had zero connection to it, but alas, skin color is what we first use to judge.

 

When I read the bolded, I saw a poster who wasn’t too informed with the efforts these communities put forth to curb the violence. Chicago for example, arguably the worst of the offending cities, has a number of outreach programs in place to educate youths and lessen gun violence - you can google for proof - but how well are those initiatives working? The complaints I see from program organizers is that other skin colors don’t concern themselves with what’s happening in the hood, which makes their job more difficult. A ridiculous amount of youths are killed every year, but that doesn’t make national news. Mass shooters on the other hand…

 

I told a story about my experience as a black man - getting racially profiled in Staten Island many times - and got a bunch of roll eyes on my post. As if I was embellishing my experience or lying about it. I’m not a defender of black criminals in any way, I think they’re idiots who need to be locked up, but I can also recognize they’re a product of their environment. Environments that communities ARE trying to change, but to little or no avail.
I liken these programs to learning Spanish in a classroom setting, but then going home and speaking English, never getting to practice with those around them. That’s probably a crude way to describe the efforts, but I think it has some merit. Everyone needs to be all in to make real change happen, total immersion, but I feel like that’s an unrealistic ask so the cycle continues.

it’s often easy to say it’s “their problem to fix” and “they aren’t doing enough” but in the same breathe those people insult the various programs, etc… that do try to help  (and this isn’t singling out shredder, I don’t know him at all, just happens to be the poster you quoted)

 

And both sides have great people that are dealing with “but I didn’t do anything wrong and I’m trying to do right why are you pointing a finger at me”
 

it’s a big messy situation where there is no instant fix to inner city violence just like we aren’t fixing rural opioid addiction and it’s effects over night. And surely we don’t expect everyone “on the other side” to be able or willing to work with us but we also seem to single out the people who don’t want to work with us as representing the entire other side. 
 

there are interesting studies on politics where we think the worst 1% on our team are crazy outliers that should be ignored but the worst 1% on the other side are average representatives the whole group. Likewise our best 1% are our average representative while the opposing best 1% are the crazy outlier. 

 

[machine gun kelly]

Link?