H2o Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I had been holding on to the thought a trade would sink us cap wise. Looking at the Overthecap website, a post June 1 trade is fairly simple to absorb. I hope Diggs is here, but all of this bull crap every off-season grows tiresome. And it could just be tiresome because of the media 🤡's and the people who run with it. Here are the figures below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: Honestly, do you think like Stef should be interpreted like any other player or do you think we should take his history and the way he exited Minnesota into account with our interpretations? We have evidence of how he acts when he's unhappy on the field. This wasn't it. He also today took full responsibility for the very thing we're talking about. That's what I'm taking into account. Edited March 17 by BillsFanForever19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: I’m not a Stef white knight like most of the folks in here, but I actually didn’t have that come across to me like a shot at Allen or the pass or whatever. I took it as “this close.” Imo, much worse was MVS indicating to Mahomes that a pass was slightly behind him after like single-handedly losing 3 games for the Chiefs the fact that this admittedly ambiguous gesture after yet another dismal postseason performance is like not even in the top5 reasons im down on Diggs should in itself be rationale enough i mean how many times can you keep saying 'he didn't mean it like THAT' before you maybe reconsider your position 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I'm saying it had more to do with him being unhappy with the offensive scheme and the fit than it did "the tweets" specifically. Plus us offering a 1st Round pick. No GM trades a player based on cryptic tweets alone. Of course your correct.. the tweet let the league know he was ok playing somewhere other than Minnesota.. Bean made the call. It’s why it’s frustrating to lots of fans, Diggs listened to Bean in interviews say it was the tweet that led him to making the call. I hope he’s here and is all in and has an excellent year, that’s what’s best for the team, if he doesn’t want to be in Buffalo I hope they ship him as long as the compensation is palatable. It’s simple as that really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 9 minutes ago, H2o said: I had been holding on to the thought a trade would sink us cap wise. Looking at the Overthecap website, a post June 1 trade is fairly simple to absorb. I hope Diggs is here, but all of this bull crap every off-season grows tiresome. And it could just be tiresome because of the media 🤡's and the people who run with it. Here are the figures below. So the dead hit if we tade him now is 31 mil, what about the next years? We already have the 10 mil from Tre post June 1. There’s likely no reason we’d need to save more space this year post June 1. Especially if the future hits are the same or better Edited March 17 by Warriorspikes51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: So the dead hit if we tade him now is 31 mil, what about the next years? We already have the 10 mil from Tre post June 1. There’s likely no reason we’d need to save more space this year post June 1. Especially if the future hits are the same or better What are we going to get with the money saved after June 1st? The market is dry. And we're paying him 18.5m to trade him after 6/1. You save essentially the same amount next season. What sense does it make to pay 18.5m for him this season to not be here when you can have him this year and save the same amount next season and use it when the market is full? It's poor GM practices to do it this season any way you look at it. You don't pay 18.5m in guarantees for someone who isn't going to be here. There's no trade offer that will be made for Diggs that's worth paying that much and not having him here. Edited March 17 by BillsFanForever19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: So the dead hit if we tade him now is 31 mil, what about the next years? We already have the 10 mil from Tre post June 1. There’s likely no reason we’d need to save more space this year post June 1. Especially if the future hits are the same or better The breakdown looks like hits of $8.85M for '24, the same in '25, the same in '26, and $4.54M in '27. It makes the hits much more manageable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 16 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: the fact that this admittedly ambiguous gesture after yet another dismal postseason performance is like not even in the top5 reasons im down on Diggs should in itself be rationale enough i mean how many times can you keep saying 'he didn't mean it like THAT' before you maybe reconsider your position Why is this picture the thing you’re willing to defend to the death? You are literally the only person who thinks it is Diggs blaming Allen. This crusade you’re on is really weird. Most of these posts of yours have been filled with so much conjecture and your personal feelings on it that you want taken as fact. We got it, you don’t like the guy and for some reason want him gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: Why is this picture the thing you’re willing to defend to the death? You are literally the only person who thinks it is Diggs blaming Allen. This crusade you’re on is really weird. Most of these posts of yours have been filled with so much conjecture and your personal feelings on it that you want taken as fact. We got it, you don’t like the guy and for some reason want him gone yes conjecture has no place in a thread titled 'Diggs cryptic comments' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 7 minutes ago, H2o said: The breakdown looks like hits of $8.85M for '24, the same in '25, the same in '26, and $4.54M in '27. It makes the hits much more manageable. So the hits for future years are the same if he’s traded now (as in before his salary guarantees tomorrow) as they would be post June 1? IMO we won’t need the extra cap space post june 1. So Beane might be willing to absorb the hit now. An extra 3 mil for him not being on the team Edited March 17 by Warriorspikes51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: So the hits for future years are the same if he’s traded now (as in before his salary guarantees tomorrow) as they would be post June 1? This is what it shows pre-June 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Proof that Josh is also tired of Diggs. PS: Not really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, H2o said: This is what it shows pre-June 1 Thanks! So we’d need to get a pretty good return. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Just now, Draconator said: Proof that Josh is also tired of Diggs. PS: Not really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) Didn’t Dallas and Cleveland do a trade with Cooper that involved a partial dead cap hit transfer or am I recalling that wrong? Or maybe a deal could involve a reworked contract to lessen the hits? No idea how that works Edited March 17 by Warriorspikes51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Didn’t Dallas and Cleveland do a trade with Cooper that involved a partial dead cap hit transfer or am I recalling that wrong? Or maybe a deal could involve a reworked contract to lessen the hits? No idea how that works I know you like this sort of thing, but trading Diggs is in no way the best possible outcome for the Bills. Even if he's dropped off, he's still likely at least a very good WR2 in talent. Do you think grabbing another first, somehow, and bringing in two rookie WRs is a good idea? Do you think that is what would happen? Because if McD sees two first round picks, I can almost guarantee you at least one of them is going to play on the D side of the ball. If you lose Diggs from the WR room, you have created a large hole. The value of adding a WR early is replacing Davis, and at the same time adding a potential WR1 down the line. You don't want to ask the rookie to actually be the WR1, and you definitely don't want to bring in two rookies to replace both Diggs and Davis. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Low Positive Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 10 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Didn’t Dallas and Cleveland do a trade with Cooper that involved a partial dead cap hit transfer or am I recalling that wrong? Or maybe a deal could involve a reworked contract to lessen the hits? No idea how that works No, the Browns just took on a massive contract for essentially nothing. The Cowboys traded for Cooper, overpaid him, and then no longer needed him at that price after drafting Lamb. There was no dead money because the Cowboys traded him before restructuring. Twice, the Brown used their massive cap space to absorb other teams mistakes but dead money was never in the equation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, julian said: We all know what happened.. why do people have to ba either all in on Diggs, or a conspiracy theorist who wants him gone. I love Diggs the player, he’s been excellent and the Bills are better next year if he’s in the team. I can also acknowledge that he may not want to be in Buffalo and if that’s the case then so be it. I personally feel like there is a serious problem with Allen and Diggs and it showed up on the final drive. In previous years Allen in crunch time is looking for his man Diggs and Diggs was wide open right in front of him. I know it will cost a lot but we need to move on if there is a chemistry issue and Diggs did not close out the season or final 7-8 games looking like a true #1 Edited March 17 by Niagara Dude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 20 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: So the hits for future years are the same if he’s traded now (as in before his salary guarantees tomorrow) as they would be post June 1? IMO we won’t need the extra cap space post june 1. So Beane might be willing to absorb the hit now. An extra 3 mil for him not being on the team No, if we trade him now, all of the amortized bonuses get added up and applied to this seasons cap But then in future years, all his cap costs are gone Apologies if I misunderstand what you're asking 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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