Einstein's Dog Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: WR1’s step up in the playoffs. Even Hill had 5 for 62 and a TD against KC in a game where his QB couldn’t even throw the ball in the cold. Pretty small sample size. If Diggs is moved this year we would have to call it a rebuild year with a goal of sneaking into the playoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 4 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: I think that's what Diggs is preparing for, something to possibly happen to him because his employer asked him to take a pay cut and he wouldn't do it. Diggs isn't saying he wants out, he is saying he is not going to give up the contracted money. But saying no to your employer can make you uneasy. By most accounts it seems a toothless threat. If the spotrac numbers are to be believed the Bills lose way more than they gain by cutting Diggs loose or trading him (caveat - spotrac doesn't know all the details of the contracts). So yeah, Diggs may be poking Beane, but you know, maybe Beane deserved it. If Beane crafted the contract the way it's reported by spotrac (when there are ways to structure deals that have tradeable pieces in them), that's on Beane. And as Diggs showed, he has been living up to WR1 #s the last 4 years. No he hasn't. He has put up what I call "fluff stats" during the regular season ( at least until the 2nd half of23') . Where has he been when it mattered? KC,Cincinnati,Playoffs? He has been taken out of the game and or just disappeared. I don't want to hear him say he wishes he had the deep ball drop back. I want this alleged #1, all pro to make the damn catch. He is a #2 at best when the stakes are biggest, but paid like a #1. Beane needs to take the hit and get what he can for him. And Josh doesn't need Diggs anymore. He isn't a 2nd year player, he is a veteran going into his 7th season. He doesn't need a "Diggs" to hold his hand or help him develop any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Just now, SinceThe70s said: Do you think Diggs sucks? Nah, I think he’s declining. Not sure if he sucks yet. We will likely see in 2024 if his last ten games were an aberration or a reflection of his current ability. However, this phenomenon is well documented. If a player is purported to be “run out of town,” they do obviously suck. EJ got “ran out of town.” It’s the kiss of death for a career. Arguing that Diggs is being run out of town by the fans is very bad. The sister clause is “if there’s a huge amount topics about you being a franchise QB, you aren’t one.” When was the last time Josh had a “is he the guy” topic? Probably 2019? How many did Tyrod and Fitz get? Thousands. How many did Fields get? Thousands. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, Einstein's Dog said: Pretty small sample size. If Diggs is moved this year we would have to call it a rebuild year with a goal of sneaking into the playoffs. Diggs isn't good enough to say that. We have Allen, Kincaid, Samuel, milano, Oliver etal. Allen,not Diggs, is why we make the playoffs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonkillebrew Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Didn't Diggs catch 100+ balls again this year? He owns the top...what...4 receiving seasons in Bills history? The guy is good, still good But he needs a better sidekick. Time to invest a 1st in a WR. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: No he hasn't. He has put up what I call "fluff stats" during the regular season ( at least until the 2nd half of23') . Where has he been when it mattered? KC,Cincinnati,Playoffs? He has been taken out of the game and or just disappeared. I don't want to hear him say he wishes he had the deep ball drop back. I want this alleged #1, all pro to make the damn catch. He is a #2 at best when the stakes are biggest, but paid like a #1. Beane needs to take the hit and get what he can for him. And Josh doesn't need Diggs anymore. He isn't a 2nd year player, he is a veteran going into his 7th season. He doesn't need a "Diggs" to hold his hand or help him develop any longer. If Beane takes the hit on Diggs this year then the Bills as a team will be worse for it this year. They will have another hole to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 4 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: Pretty small sample size. If Diggs is moved this year we would have to call it a rebuild year with a goal of sneaking into the playoffs. Yes, he had a huge hand in their 7 game winning streak after the bye. His performance was unmatched. Lmafao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 13 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Didn’t Dallas and Cleveland do a trade with Cooper that involved a partial dead cap hit transfer or am I recalling that wrong? Or maybe a deal could involve a reworked contract to lessen the hits? No idea how that works There is no possible way to trade away dead cap from money that has already been paid to a player. If a player with future guaranteed salary or bonuses is cut, then that amount becomes dead cap. So trading away a player with future guaranteed money is a way to avoid taking that as dead cap. Take the situation with Diggs and his now guaranteed salary as a good example. If we were to cut him, that adds to the dead cap. If we were to trade him, it would not As for the Amari Cooper trade, he didn't have any guaranteed money left on his deal when Dallas traded him to Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 4 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: No he hasn't. He has put up what I call "fluff stats" during the regular season ( at least until the 2nd half of23') . Where has he been when it mattered? KC,Cincinnati,Playoffs? He has been taken out of the game and or just disappeared. I don't want to hear him say he wishes he had the deep ball drop back. I want this alleged #1, all pro to make the damn catch. He is a #2 at best when the stakes are biggest, but paid like a #1. Beane needs to take the hit and get what he can for him. And Josh doesn't need Diggs anymore. He isn't a 2nd year player, he is a veteran going into his 7th season. He doesn't need a "Diggs" to hold his hand or help him develop any longer. So by your own thinking Diggs value has never been lower, so why would they trade him now? You don’t get “what you can” for him, if you trade him it’s because you are getting some value back, otherwise keep him. Getting “what you can” will tank this team a lot sooner than keeping him will. He’s a distraction, so what? Literally every other top receiver in the league is a distraction too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Just now, Ya Digg? said: So by your own thinking Diggs value has never been lower, so why would they trade him now? You don’t get “what you can” for him, if you trade him it’s because you are getting some value back, otherwise keep him. Getting “what you can” will tank this team a lot sooner than keeping him will. He’s a distraction, so what? Literally every other top receiver in the league is a distraction too Because his value can get even lower still? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 6 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: If Beane takes the hit on Diggs this year then the Bills as a team will be worse for it this year. They will have another hole to fill. That’s why I think he’s available but for a pick worthwhile. I don’t think anyone is offering us that. …but if someone were to offer us a 2nd, allowing us to double dip in the Top 60 of a potentially all-time WR class, I’d have to think that’s appealing to Beane. And im not writing off the season with that infusion of talent just because it’s young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hsker4life Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I don’t think Diggs sucks. He’s a WR1, but not a Top10-15 one anymore IMO. But what bothers me the most about last year is seeing him check himself out of the game so often and on very key downs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 20 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Diggs isn't good enough to say that. We have Allen, Kincaid, Samuel, milano, Oliver etal. Allen,not Diggs, is why we make the playoffs. C'mon, a penciled in starting WR duo of Samuel and Shakir would have to be in consideration for the worst WR duo in the league. That's unfair to Josh and Bills fans across the nation,. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, Einstein's Dog said: C'mon, a penciled in starting WR duo of Samuel and Shakir would have to be in consideration for the worst WR duo in the league. That's unfair to Josh and Bills fans across the nation,. If there was ever a year to take some medicine on Diggs and have 2-3 rookie WR’s learning and growing with Josh, it’s probably this year. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 36 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: Pretty small sample size. If Diggs is moved this year we would have to call it a rebuild year with a goal of sneaking into the playoffs. There are no rebuild years when you have a franchise QB. The Chiefs lost Tyreek Hill, Byron Pringle and Demarcus Robinson in one offseason. That was a loss of 178 receptions. They then won the Super Bowl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said: What “ folks are these ? Do we know if there is any validity to this at all ? Some people on this board who are known to have some inside sources in the Bills posted this. I'll try to find the posts. But they aren't "LAMP"ers and it wasn't brought up in a gossipy way, so I'm inclined to give it some credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 15 minutes ago, FireChans said: If there was ever a year to take some medicine on Diggs and have 2-3 rookie WR’s learning and growing with Josh, it’s probably this year. From a Diggs contract perspective, from what we see from spotrac, this is not a good year to move him. And there doesn't have to ever be year of total rebuild with Josh. Draft a WR this year and have him grow and be groomed to take over. Constantly contending should be the plan with a franchise QB like Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 22 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: C'mon, a penciled in starting WR duo of Samuel and Shakir would have to be in consideration for the worst WR duo in the league. That's unfair to Josh and Bills fans across the nation,. We are drafting 28th. And I remember Brady making his wr's better. 5 minutes ago, Einstein said: There are no rebuild years when you have a franchise QB. The Chiefs lost Tyreek Hill, Byron Pringle and Demarcus Robinson in one offseason. That was a loss of 178 receptions. They then won the Super Bowl. Exactly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 5 minutes ago, Einstein said: There are no rebuild years when you have a franchise QB. The Chiefs lost Tyreek Hill, Byron Pringle and Demarcus Robinson in one offseason. That was a loss of 178 receptions. They then won the Super Bowl. On the flip side, the last year at Green Bay, A Rodgers did not make the playoffs- they were rebuilding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, Einstein's Dog said: From a Diggs contract perspective, from what we see from spotrac, this is not a good year to move him. And there doesn't have to ever be year of total rebuild with Josh. Draft a WR this year and have him grow and be groomed to take over. Constantly contending should be the plan with a franchise QB like Josh. I guess the disconnect is you still think Diggs is this necessary puzzle piece to contention. I’ve watched him no show against KC enough, I don’t mind if some rookie puts up 4 catches for 32 yards. What’s the difference, except they will get much needed experience and better faster? We will contend as long as Allen is QB and McD is coach. Legit no one else matter that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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