BADOLBILZ Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: If this is the case, it was odd that the officiating crew had to huddle up for such a long time to make the call. Typically, when the officials huddle up it is because they have to determine between multiple officials both contact and where the QB was on the field or had the ball left the QB's hand or not. If it is as simple as you suggest, can't throw a shoulder into a passing crosser, regardless of if the ball is released yet or not, I don't see the need to discuss it in depth with the entire crew. It's an easy call to make with just one official if that is the case. They were probably determining PI or Illegal contact based on where the football was at the moment of contact. Whether they got the exact call right isn't really that material.........they properly called a penalty which resulted in a short gain and an automatic first down. Dorian Williams clearly looked at the receiver and threw his body into him to impede his progress toward the point where Mahomes threw the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 hours ago, Success said: Can anyone remember another QB getting called a "choker" for choosing the wrong open receiver at the end of a game? It's usually reserved for throwing a pick or overthrowing someone who is open. I can't recall a time when a QB was so criticized for having 2 open guys, and choosing the 1 that would have been a TD. Whether he's a "choker" or not is just semantics. The bottom line is that JA had a perfect opportunity at the end of that game to lead his team to a game leading TD, and he didn’t get it done. One can make all the excuses you want, but he didn’t get it done. My opinion is that a "great" QB gets his team the TD there..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) On 1/25/2024 at 11:05 AM, Success said: I am beyond tired of the national hand-wringing about that play. It was THERE. I've actually heard fans argue that what Allen SHOULD have done is to just keep picking up small chunks, and then score a TD with just a few seconds left on the clock. As though you can script something like that perfectly. Then there is a holding penalty, or sack, or turnover, or you just can't get in the endzone. Allen saw Shakir wide open for 6, and he went for it. And, as we all know, if Chris Jones gets there a half second later, that's a TD and we're likely up by 4. I'm like, is that the best that you've got, Allen haters? The guy plays a great game, should have had at least 100 more yards and another TD if his receivers could hang onto the ball - and you're saying "same ol' Allen" because he went for an OPEN TOUCHDOWN. And I hope Mahomes throws 3 picks this week so we can all see the double-standard. It won't be nearly as analyzed and dissected. It's not a matter of scripting, but awareness. Have you ever seen a player intercept a pass but rather than score, take a knee about 5 yards from the end zone so that the offense can run out the clock rather than allow the other team the ball again? Awareness. Look, Josh is a baller all day long no doubt and I'm glad he's a Bill. But a MVP also has that awareness of the game situation. Edited January 27 by CodeMonkey 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, CodeMonkey said: It's not a matter of scripting, but awareness. Have you ever seen a player intercept a pass but rather than score, take a knee about 5 yards from the end zone so that the offense can run out the clock rather than allow the other team the ball again? Awareness. Look, Josh is a baller all day long no doubt and I'm glad he's a Bill. But a MVP also has that awareness of the game situation. I'll simply never agree w/ this. I'm convinced that if Allen goes for Diggs, and then something happens to derail the drive - maybe a holding penalty, maybe a turnover - the armchair QB's would have spent the week talking about Allen looking at a wide open Shakir in the endzone and passing it up. THAT is awareness. You don't always get open guys in the endzone. Once you get closer to the 10 yard line, it's even more rare. 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 23 minutes ago, Success said: I'm convinced that if Allen goes for Diggs, and then something happens to derail the drive - maybe a holding penalty, maybe a turnover - the armchair QB's would have spent the week talking about Allen looking at a wide open Shakir in the endzone and passing it up. Agree 100% here. And with 15 plays and over 6 minutes invested into that drive the odds of a sack or holding penalty or TO go way up. IMO the concept McD worked out with Brady to protect his defense was bound to fail. The only reason it came so close to working was Allen's otherworldly performance. A better plan would have been to wage a shootout with KC. We had the advantage of being at home and having as good if not better group of skill players then the Chiefs. I could have seen us winning such a game 38 - 34. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said: a shootout with KC. We had the advantage of being at home and having as good if not better group of skill players then the Chiefs. I could have seen us winning such a game 38 - 34. There is absolutely no way the bills would keep up with KC. One team had to throw behind the line most of the game the other team ripped 20+ yards with ease. Mcd's gameplan was actually pretty great up until the last 2-3 plays 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with No Name Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 hours ago, CodeMonkey said: It's not a matter of scripting, but awareness. Have you ever seen a player intercept a pass but rather than score, take a knee about 5 yards from the end zone so that the offense can run out the clock rather than allow the other team the ball again? Awareness. Look, Josh is a baller all day long no doubt and I'm glad he's a Bill. But a MVP also has that awareness of the game situation. not if they're losing 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 13 minutes ago, motorj said: There is absolutely no way the bills would keep up with KC. One team had to throw behind the line most of the game the other team ripped 20+ yards with ease. Mcd's gameplan was actually pretty great up until the last 2-3 plays Exactly. You aren't winning a shootout when the opponent had 9 20+ yard plays on 44 snaps excluding kneel downs and your team has zero on 78 plays. Buffalo was playing with fire the entire second half and got the benefit of two fumbles going their way plus a Chiefs DB breaking up a pass that would have been a gift wrapped pick 6. Both teams fumbled twice. Both teams recovered one fumble. Buffalo came away with the ball 3 times. Kansas City was daring Buffalo to push the ball downfield all night. To Brady's credit, he didn't take the bait. In the end, Josh had a clean pocket and two open receivers and came up empty. Hard to fault coaching. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 5 hours ago, Success said: Can anyone remember another QB getting called a "choker" for choosing the wrong open receiver at the end of a game? It's usually reserved for throwing a pick or overthrowing someone who is open. I can't recall a time when a QB was so criticized for having 2 open guys, and choosing the 1 that would have been a TD. I don't speak for the folks saying that, but do you think it might have something more to do with drilling the ball in the dirt rather than picking the wrong WR? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: I don't speak for the folks saying that, but do you think it might have something more to do with drilling the ball in the dirt rather than picking the wrong WR? Chris Jones made the play. If Allen isn't touched, that's a TD. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/25/2024 at 8:05 AM, Success said: I am beyond tired of the national hand-wringing about that play. It was THERE. I've actually heard fans argue that what Allen SHOULD have done is to just keep picking up small chunks, and then score a TD with just a few seconds left on the clock. As though you can script something like that perfectly. Then there is a holding penalty, or sack, or turnover, or you just can't get in the endzone. Allen saw Shakir wide open for 6, and he went for it. And, as we all know, if Chris Jones gets there a half second later, that's a TD and we're likely up by 4. I'm like, is that the best that you've got, Allen haters? The guy plays a great game, should have had at least 100 more yards and another TD if his receivers could hang onto the ball - and you're saying "same ol' Allen" because he went for an OPEN TOUCHDOWN. And I hope Mahomes throws 3 picks this week so we can all see the double-standard. It won't be nearly as analyzed and dissected. I mean, no *****. I haven’t come off that opinion.. no doubt in my mind that everything was there so you take the shot. But JA17 just didn’t step into the throw, which.. yes, with two behemoths moving into him he definitely could have done — he just needed some forward momentum to put more juice on the throw, Josh doesn’t stride much anyways.. doesn’t have to. Or, put enough air under it to reach KS10. Either way, it would have been six. The Diggs underneath-run out the clock crowd, to me, are projecting confidence, which is cool, but you take touchdowns ANY WAY YOU CAN GET THEM. Especially—ESPECIALLY—to go up by four! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 4 hours ago, motorj said: There is absolutely no way the bills would keep up with KC. One team had to throw behind the line most of the game the other team ripped 20+ yards with ease. Mcd's gameplan was actually pretty great up until the last 2-3 plays McD's game plan depended on PERFECT performances by Allen & Brady. He almost got them to but depending on perfection in football is never going to work. 3 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: I don't speak for the folks saying that, but do you think it might have something more to do with drilling the ball in the dirt rather than picking the wrong WR? Of course to make this statement you have to ignore that Jones pushed Dawkins into Allen impacting the throw. It was a great play by one of the best D linemen in the NFL. Edited January 28 by CincyBillsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 7 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said: Of course to make this statement you have to ignore that Jones pushed Dawkins into Allen impacting the throw. It was a great play by one of the best D linemen in the NFL. Of course, to make this statement, you have to ignore that Allen had a lifetime to see Jones coming as he stood there motionless in the pocket instead of taking a half step forward or to the right. If you want to claim that he only missed because he was interfered with, then he should have done the bare minimum to not be interfered with. We all know he's capable of it. We shouldn't accept it as a legitimate excuse. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMontreal Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 13 hours ago, Bob Jones said: Whether he's a "choker" or not is just semantics. The bottom line is that JA had a perfect opportunity at the end of that game to lead his team to a game leading TD, and he didn’t get it done. One can make all the excuses you want, but he didn’t get it done. My opinion is that a "great" QB gets his team the TD there..... Something's wrong with our team when it counts the most and, when i watched a game, i always say -at least, we have Allen in our team-. We are still where we are a couple of years ago: All on Allen Shoulders. It is at a point where we begin to not really see it, We begin to take it for grant. We almost forgot we could not even be near where we are without him. It will never be enough because if he's not perfect, we lose. Credits to the Chiefs defense, but they were tired and and a well coach team scored there, i'm pretty sure. Bills fan base are the more loyal fans in pro sport. It's like we want to win, but we want to win by being loyal. That's why a lot of fans around NFL planet would say we deserve it the most. It is time to cut ties with our coaching staff. I'm sure about that. Then, if i'm a Bills fan and i dont even live near Buffalo, it's because of your passion, your loyalty. Winning by being loyal at this point is much harder then winning by seing it like a business. Much harder road. It's pretty clear. Then, the Bills are not only a business in Buffalo. It's part of your town and you're loyals. I will be there, i will back Mcdermott for sure no matter what i think. If the Bills could find a way to win one one day, it would be the best SB ever with that kind of fan base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiz Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 For some reason I don't think Harbaugh needed to learn from McDermott's chronically bad game day decisions. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/chiefs-bills-gave-ravens-a-valuable-lesson-in-late-game-clock-management-vs-patrick-mahomes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillenger4 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Pffft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 The Ravens have a solid defense. I doubt that they are worried about their ability to stop or slow down Mahomes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 18 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said: Agree 100% here. And with 15 plays and over 6 minutes invested into that drive the odds of a sack or holding penalty or TO go way up. IMO the concept McD worked out with Brady to protect his defense was bound to fail. The only reason it came so close to working was Allen's otherworldly performance. A better plan would have been to wage a shootout with KC. We had the advantage of being at home and having as good if not better group of skill players then the Chiefs. I could have seen us winning such a game 38 - 34. I agree with the shootout strategy but remember this is the best KC defense in the Mahomes era. And we were basically without our top 2 wrs. Gabe out and Diggs playing like he should've been out. Just too many horrific drops in that game. I'm really starting to wonder in Josh's teammates will every rally around him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 14 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: The Ravens have a solid defense. I doubt that they are worried about their ability to stop or slow down Mahomes The worst thing anyone can do is underestimate him... my money is on Mahomes for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 18 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: The Ravens have a solid healthy defense. I doubt that they are worried about their ability to stop or slow down Mahomes FIFY. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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