What a Tuel Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 40 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Talk about dumb stuff! Jeez Talk about dumb stuff? 27-24 - Josh Allen and offense 4 plays 7 yards (fake punt) 27-24 - Defense causes fumble - touchback 27-24 - Josh Allen and offense 3 plays -2 yards 27-24 - Defense forces Chiefs punt 27-24 - Josh Allen and offense drive down the field and come away with zero points 27-24 - Defense allows first down to end the game But sure. The defense lost us the game. So many opportunities for Josh to put this one away. He fell short. He will get back up and we will be in the thick of it next year. Edited January 22 by What a Tuel 3 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: SHOULD we? Yes. Heck, bring in Vrabel at this point. WILL Terry nut-up and pull the trigger? Absolutely not. We're stuck with this for at least another year. See, this is the stuff that drives me nuts. Vrabel? Hes McDermott, just a foot taller and ten thousand times less of a decent human being. You want to fire the coach, knock yourself out. But be ready to "waste" another year of Josh while the new coach puts his program and regime in place. Also, if you go the hotshot young gun new HC, be ready to also "waste" a few more years because the number of rookie HCs that won the Super Bowl is.....TWO. Again, Im totally fine with letting McD go. But this idea that we plug and play a new HC, especially a rookie one, and its "Super Bowl, baby!!" is just mindless. Edited January 22 by RkFast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: And Kansas City just attacked the middle of the defense all day. Kelce and outside zone to get the linebackers (including Mr Miami retirement home) running laterally. Other than that they had one play outside to MVS (he made a good play when well covered) and a deep shot on McDermott's 6 man pressure (which I do put on a damn stupid play call). Otherwise everything was aimed at exploiting the linebackers. For all the noise about Rice they barely used him. They din't want to throw outside. They just wanted to keep going at the backups. That is called getting outcoached and out coached badly. Happens all to frequently with McDummie, way to large of a sample size now to be anything other than being a bad coach, and nothing will ever change with this block head. He has to be fired if the organization wants to move forward. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avisan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 22 minutes ago, jhh9327 said: And while it didn't end up hurting us on the scoreboard, he made another clock management error in the first half when he took our first TO immediately after the play that got us down to the 13. You don't need or want 44 seconds left at that point when you still have 2 TO's remaining and only have a handful of plays left at most. Should have let it run a down more before he took the first TO. Gave the ball back to Mahomes with 28 seconds left. Allen took that timeout, you could literally see him call for it on the broadcast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, RkFast said: See, this is the stuff that drives me nuts. Vrabel? Hes McDermott, just a foot taller and ten thousand times less of a decent human being. He is 1000x better at situational football decisions coming from years of studying under the master of situational football. He already used Belichick's dark magic against him a couple times with some of those "stretching the rules" situations to win games. Situational Football is McD's biggest weakness. He isnt "just a DC". He's on overall Head Coach, who hires coordinators and then assumes his position of overseeing the entire team, not just Defense. Lastly, it seems we need less of a decent human being and more of an ass-kicking football player to set the tone for this team. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Avisan said: Allen took that timeout, you could literally see him call for it on the broadcast. Yep that was on Josh and the communication in the huddle. Someone didn't get the call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I give him a lot of credit for what he did the last half of the season. But he also deserves blame for what happened the first half of the season. He's an above average coach. It will be a risk to move on from him. Its a risk I believe we need to take. It's worked for other teams, it can work here. Allen is a future HOFer and we are wasting his prime. We need to move on for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, RkFast said: See, this is the stuff that drives me nuts. Vrabel? Hes McDermott, just a foot taller and ten thousand times less of a decent human being. You want to fire the coach, knock yourself out. But be ready to "waste" another year of Josh while the new coach puts his program and regime in place. Also, if you go the hotshot young gun new HC, be ready to also "waste" a few more years because the number of rookie HCs that won the Super Bowl is.....TWO. Next year will be a waste with McDermott here. Then, if the Bills sack him at that point, 2025 will be the rebuild instead and another year wasted. The Bucs realised the die was cast with Dungy. Same with Reid at Philadelphia. Next year is going to be a rebuild of sorts anyway so may as well let a new HC oversee it. Even though I fully realise it won’t happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhh9327 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, Avisan said: Allen took that timeout, you could literally see him call for it on the broadcast. My fault. You are correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: He is 1000x better at situational football decisions coming from years of studying under the master of situational football. He already used Belichick's dark magic against him a couple times with some of those "stretching the rules" situations to win games. Situational Football is McD's biggest weakness. He isnt "just a DC". He's on overall Head Coach, who hires coordinators and then assumes his position of overseeing the entire team, not just Defense. Lastly, it seems we need less of a decent human being and more of an ass-kicking football player to set the tone for this team. Look, I like Vrabel I think he runs a good program. But I thought the whole reason for dumping MdD was for an "offensive minded HC." Is Vrabel that? Also, to that end...remember who the Bills' HC was when the Bills and Allen were throwing the ball around like maniacs and scoring a ton of points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I’m wondering if the option of moving on from McDermott is even a consideration today for Pegula …? I doubt it … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said: McD coached out of his mind to get that D & team to the #2 seed. At some point the injuries were going to catch up to them that day was Sunday. & They still had a chance to win. He didn't miss kicks, drop passes, miss blocks or throws or tackles. This loss was about the Jimmy's & Joes more than the Xs & Os. He's staying no matter what any of us think or want. No he didn't the QB played out of his mind and wouldnt let the team lose. McDummie cant coach out of his mind as he is incapable of that. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 5 minutes ago, RkFast said: Look, I like Vrabel I think he runs a good program. But I thought the whole reason for dumping MdD was for an "offensive minded HC." Is Vrabel that? Also, to that end...remember who the Bills' HC was when the Bills and Allen were throwing the ball around like maniacs and scoring a ton of points? First, my original statement was "heck, bring in Vrabel at this point". Meaning, even tho he isnt what we're looking for, he'd still be better than McD. So dont get mistaken that Vrabel is even close to my top choice or prototypical HC. My only point is: Vrabel isnt even a perfect answer but still better than McD. Second, yes, you'd love to bring in an Offensive mastermind to take Josh to all new levels, and so we dont have constant OC turnover. But I dont see a candidate out there that fits that role. Maybe one of the hot OCs like Johnson or Slowick, but there isn't enough tape on those guys to believe they'd be the answer. Maybe Johnson since Detroit is still in it and their O is actually functioning in the playoffs. To me, and IMO, McD's biggest weakness is situational football as a HC. He doesnt have the knowledge/experience/brain to know the right move to make when it comes down to in-game strategy. Vrabel has that in spades. I'd rather have a true HC mastermind than just a glorified OC-made-HC. Edited January 22 by DrDawkinstein 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: First, my original statement was "heck, bring in Vrabel at this point". Meaning, even tho he isnt what we're looking for, he'd still be better than McD. So dont get mistaken that Vrabel is even close to my top choice or prototypical HC. My only point is: Vrabel isnt even a perfect answer but still better than McD. Second, yes, you'd love to bring in an Offensive mastermind to take Josh to all new levels, and so we dont have constant OC turnover. But I dont see a candidate out there that fits that role. Maybe one of the hot OCs like Johnson or Slowick, but there isn't enough tape on those guys to believe they'd be the answer. Maybe Johnson since Detroit is still in it and their O is actually functioning in the playoffs. I understand. I agree Im not sure if there is a plug and play guy out there. And thats my overall point. A LOT of the chatter thats been out there is that there is. New HC and done deal, they win it all. I dont see that, especially in this sport. Thats MUCH more of a baseball or basketball type of thing. In football, which is a much more complex sport to coach and manage a team, you need to build the whole PROGRAM. And that takes a lot of time. Edited January 22 by RkFast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 13 minutes ago, RkFast said: See, this is the stuff that drives me nuts. Vrabel? Hes McDermott, just a foot taller and ten thousand times less of a decent human being. You want to fire the coach, knock yourself out. But be ready to "waste" another year of Josh while the new coach puts his program and regime in place. Also, if you go the hotshot young gun new HC, be ready to also "waste" a few more years because the number of rookie HCs that won the Super Bowl is.....TWO. Again, Im totally fine with letting McD go. But this idea that we plug and play a new HC, especially a rookie one, and its "Super Bowl, baby!!" is just mindless. then don't get a "rookie" HC. There are others available. Bellicheck, Harbaugh, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 This is the time to fire McDermott and hire Vrable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Question for Terry Pegula to think about: Why are the Bills 3-1 against the Chiefs in the regular season but 0-3 in the postseason? Sitting available right here right now is Jim Harbaugh. You can do it if you want to. Harbaugh Vrabel Pete Carroll Belichick and whole bunch of young up and coming creative offensive minds that would absolutely without hesitation love to have Josh freaking Allen as their centerpiece, oh the possibilities, c'mon Terry DO IT! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeLongBillsFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 11 hours ago, Breakout Squad said: I hope you feel better now. Captain Hindsight crap in full effect As I hope you feel better defending the regime and their blunders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Another if McD stays question is who this team is. Do you trust McD to create an identity that works for this roster and adjusts to what is working in the league? Are we a grind out the clock O that we saw last night? Is that even sustainable or why you pay Josh $50m? Are we better running the ball 50/50 or should we be airing it out? Is the lack of wr production due to talent or scheme? A lot of questions to be answered. I don’t what the identity of this team is and I don’t know if I trust McD to figure that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Sure, I think it’s time to move on. Will Terry? Nope. McD is going to get another year and I expect worse results next season. That might be what it takes for a firing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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