Wraith Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said: You take what the D gives you and multiple times there were WRs crossing wide open that would easily gotten 1st down to keep the drive going. Not sure we are talking about the same play. I'm talking about the last 2nd down throw to Shakir all the Monday morning QBs are clamoring for a throw to Diggs instead because the CBS broadcast made it look like he was wide open two yards downfield. The defense gave the Bills a wide open receiver in the end zone and the correct decision was to take it! Chris Jones made a great play to walk Dawkins into Allen and ruined it. Edited January 22 by Wraith 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technobot Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Just when you thought that the Bills strategy all along had been to burn the clock and end up with the ball last..........the only real chance they had to win this game.........they come out of the 2 minute warning with a shot play for no reason. I don't know what game people were watching but the play there was to take small gains, bully their way to a couple more first downs just as they had been doing for most of the game.......and force KC to use up their timeouts. THEN worry about scoring the touchdown. I can't understand what they were thinking during that timeout. Totally appropriate ending to their season though. Exactly what I saw. Thought the previous 48 minutes was for the most part, well executed strategy on offense and complementary football by simply keeping KC off the field and wearing down their defense, while limiting exposure to ours. I was screaming at the TV "what are you doing", just grind yards whether it was that open crosser to Diggs or simply out-physicalling KC and forcing their way down the field taking the yards and first downs as they came, with the intent to kill clock culminating in a touchdown. You put it better but it was extremely frustrating watching the shot that got broken by Jones affecting Allen's throw, or even worse, what looked like a desperation throw on 3rd down. The first down conversion would have been there if they took what was there on second. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said: It doesn’t make sense because shakir is wide freakin open for a td lol. Y’all are talking like it was a 50/50 jump ball type play 😂. That throw to diggs even if it was unaffected by Dawkins getting backed into josh at the last second probably gets stopped short meaning you need another big 4th down conversion then multiple other conversions to possibly do what one throw to shakir would’ve done. ‘Keeping the drive going’ means nothing if you can’t get in the end zone and the way the flow of the game was going, it’s more likely we don’t pick up those tough short yardage plays. That's not the play I'm talking about....I will see if I can find the ones I'm talking about. There were 2 instances (1 ended up punting, other was FG attempt I believe) that would have been a 1st down had Josh taken it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Is Bills/Chiefs a rivalry? I think it is. But most Chiefs fans don't. I guess it depends how you define it. I also thought Colts/Patriots was a rivalry, prior to Manning breaking through in 2006. For me, it's just more about the games - how important they are, how much everyone anticipates them, et al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJanuary Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 At least we have those super important regular season wins against the Chiefs. Those are what truly matter... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, Success said: Is Bills/Chiefs a rivalry? I think it is. But most Chiefs fans don't. I guess it depends how you define it. I also thought Colts/Patriots was a rivalry, prior to Manning breaking through in 2006. For me, it's just more about the games - how important they are, how much everyone anticipates them, et al. it's not a rivalry in the sense that these teams are equally competitive in the big moments the chiefs feel the same way about the bills that we do about the dolphins tbh when it counts we are going to lose 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 40 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Just when you thought that the Bills strategy all along had been to burn the clock and end up with the ball last..........the only real chance they had to win this game.........they come out of the 2 minute warning with a shot play for no reason. I don't know what game people were watching but the play there was to take small gains, bully their way to a couple more first downs just as they had been doing for most of the game.......and force KC to use up their timeouts. THEN worry about scoring the touchdown. I can't understand what they were thinking during that timeout. Totally appropriate ending to their season though. Watching the game I thought the same thing. Take small chunks and force KC to use all their timeouts. Worse case it makes for a shorter FG that is more makeable. You go into OT and live to fight another day. But I agree the only way Bills win this game is to have the ball last 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Watching the game I thought the same thing. Take small chunks and force KC to use all their timeouts. Worse case it makes for a shorter FG that is more makeable. You go into OT and live to fight another day. But I agree the only way Bills win this game is to have the ball last that is an impossible threshold for success imo against one of if not the best defense in the league a clean game where we played a clean game and held the ball about as long as humanly possible...it just makes the margin for victory impossibly thin if we also need to have the ball last 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 4 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Watching the game I thought the same thing. Take small chunks and force KC to use all their timeouts. Worse case it makes for a shorter FG that is more makeable. You go into OT and live to fight another day. But I agree the only way Bills win this game is to have the ball last Agree. This is not good by stats by defense. Edited January 22 by Buffalo Bills Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 38 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said: Agreed! I don't get it either, so frustrating seeing WR's running across wide open that easily would have been a 1st down and for whatever reason Josh didn't take it smh Diggs was running his pattern right to left which is where the DE was pushing Dawkins into Allen so I'm not sure he saw how open Diggs was on that play for a 5 yard gain. The shot to the end zone was the right read by Allen. He came up short because he couldn't plant his foot as Dawkins was being pushed into him. Were talking about half a second between missing that throw and getting the TD. Frankly, the play by play analysis of Allen and the expectation that he plays perfectly on every play is bizarre. No where else in the NFL is this expected. Allen is very good but he can not be perfect every play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Agree. This is not good by stats by defense. Well, I mean when your defense is depleted like that it's eventually going to happen. Especially a QB like PM will take full advantage of that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukester Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 26 minutes ago, Wraith said: I'm talking about the last 2nd down throw to Shakir all the Monday morning QBs are clamoring for a throw to Diggs instead because the CBS broadcast made it look like he was wide open two yards downfield. The defense gave the Bills a wide open receiver in the end zone and the correct decision was to take it! Chris Jones made a great play to walk Dawkins into Allen and ruined it. Exactly. If Josh would've just climbed the pocket 2 steps and let it rip, we're talking about possibly the game winning touchdown. The throw to Shakir is absolutely the right read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: that is an impossible threshold for success imo against one of if not the best defense in the league a clean game where we played a clean game and held the ball about as long as humanly possible...it just makes the margin for victory impossibly thin if we also need to have the ball last Great point. McD was asking Allen & Brady to not only score more points then KC but to do so in the most difficult and challenging way possible by chewing up clock and plays. It's one thing to ask your offense to do this ONCE per game but through almost the entire game - madness. The Bills 5 scoring/missed FG drives were all over 10 plays (11, 12, 14, 15 & 16). When you step back and think about it what was being asked of Allen & Brady was INSANE. That the two almost pulled it off is a credit to their exceptional performances last night. The Bills at the end of the first half and at the end of the game, while they were TRAILING on the score board, were trying to run out the clock AND score the go ahead/winning TD! Think about that for a minute. Edited January 22 by CincyBillsFan 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 45 minutes ago, ngbills said: Truth. Bills win a few of those should win games and we are likely healthier from having a bye in round 1, then would have played HOU this week, and playing winner of KC/BAL game next week. And the dirty little thing that no one wants to talk about here is that our "MVP" QB cost us dearly in at least TWO of those games (Jets and Patriots) 1 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said: Well, I mean when your defense is depleted like that it's eventually going to happen. Especially a QB like PM will take full advantage of that The defensive line was not depleted and is where a big chunk of the Bills FA money & draft capital has gone over the last few years. A dominating performance by the D line last night would have done more to protect McD's depleted LB group then putting a governor on the offense and expecting them to outscore KC while simultaneously running out the clock. We can all ignore the obvious. I sure as hell have over the last few seasons but no more. The bills suffer from significant tactical & strategic deficiency's in how they structure their roster and game plans. And until they fix this we are not advancing past the divisional round of the playoffs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Great point. McD was asking Allen & Brady to not only score more points then KC but to do so in the most difficult and challenging way possible by chewing up clock and plays. It's one thing to ask your offense to do this ONCE per game but through almost the entire game - madness. The Bills 5 scoring/missed FG drives were all over 10 plays (11, 12, 14, 15 & 16). When you step back and think about it what was being asked of Allen & Brady was INSANE. That the two almost pulled it off is a credit to their exceptional performances last night. The Bills at the end of the first half and at the end of the game, while they were TRAILING on the score board, were trying to run out the clock AND score the go ahead/winning TD! Think about that for a minute. Of course it was The Chiefs were averaging over A HALF POINT PER OFFENSIVE PLAY...that is absolute ***** insanity. If the offense hadn't played a near perfect game script and Mahomes doesn't misfire twice in the redzone we are getting run out of the building 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: And the dirty little thing that no one wants to talk about here is that our "MVP" QB cost us dearly in at least TWO of those games (Jets and Patriots) So you're going there even after last nights performance by Allen? Well two can play the stupid game of coulda/woulda/shoulda and point out that our MVP QB left the Bills with the lead in 3 games with less then 2 minutes left on the clock only to see the D blow the leads. But hey you might get your wish and be rid of Allen Pine Barrens Mafia. A friend of mine is worried, and rightfully so, that after yesterday McD & Bean are going to go to Pegula and make the case that the Bills have to spend even more draft & FA capitol on strengthening the D. I fervently hope this doesn't happen but if it does I wouldn't blame Allen if he started the process of getting out of Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: So you're going there even after last nights performance by Allen? Well two can play the stupid game of coulda/woulda/shoulda and point out that our MVP QB left the Bills with the lead in 3 games with less then 2 minutes left on the clock only to see the D blow the leads. But hey you might get your wish and be rid of Allen Pine Barrens Mafia. A friend of mine is worried, and rightfully so, that after yesterday McD & Bean are going to go to Pegula and make the case that the Bills have to spend even more draft & FA capitol on strengthening the D. I fervently hope this doesn't happen but if it does I wouldn't blame Allen if he started the process of getting out of Buffalo. Only want that to happen under a VERY limited set of circumstances that includes acquiring chicago's firsts this year and next. Other than that, no. Also, let's not lionize last night's performance. Edited January 22 by Pine Barrens Mafia 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 11 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: And the dirty little thing that no one wants to talk about here is that our "MVP" QB cost us dearly in at least TWO of those games (Jets and Patriots) Allen carries this team all the time. All the time. He gets a couple of mulligans. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 19 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Diggs was running his pattern right to left which is where the DE was pushing Dawkins into Allen so I'm not sure he saw how open Diggs was on that play for a 5 yard gain. The shot to the end zone was the right read by Allen. He came up short because he couldn't plant his foot as Dawkins was being pushed into him. Were talking about half a second between missing that throw and getting the TD. Frankly, the play by play analysis of Allen and the expectation that he plays perfectly on every play is bizarre. No where else in the NFL is this expected. Allen is very good but he can not be perfect every play. The counterpoint here is that JA and a couple other QBs in the league (Stroud is one) do not have to "step into" their throws all the time (within reason/obviously can't arm only throw a 60 yarder) to make a good throw. So bottom line is that you're making an excuse for JA. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Success said: Allen carries this team all the time. All the time. He gets a couple of mulligans. think Burrow or Mahomes need mulligans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 13 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: And the dirty little thing that no one wants to talk about here is that our "MVP" QB cost us dearly in at least TWO of those games (Jets and Patriots) If thats you feelings, what would you do about it? Trade him, Cut him? Tell him to play better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 15 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: And the dirty little thing that no one wants to talk about here is that our "MVP" QB cost us dearly in at least TWO of those games (Jets and Patriots) You still haven't answered my question in another thread about who you'd like to replace him with, and how the Bills can do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Only want that to happen under a VERY limited set of circumstances that includes acquiring chicago's firsts this year and next. Other than that, no. Wow you're serious. I was being tongue & cheek. But hey thanks for the honesty. IF the Bills swapped Allen to Chicago for this years first and next years first I would bet you my house that the Bears would win a Super Bowl before the Bills. Allen would elevate the Bears into the playoffs his first year there spoiling that 2nd 1st round pick we got. BTW I watch a lot of college football and this years QB crop is good with a lot of POTENTIAL but the idea that any of them would replicate what Allen has ACHIEVED is far fetched. Remember Lawrence was a can't miss #1 QB to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: If thats you feelings, what would you do about it? Trade him, Cut him? Tell him to play better? I laid out a specific plan in a thread a month and a half ago. Basically, if you can't get a good enough haul for him, you keep him. If you could, for example, trade him to chicago for all their firsts this year and next, you'd reset the cap clock for the QB position, thereby making it easier to rid ourselves of dead weight like Miller, Knox and White, and you'd have ample high picks to restock the cabinet in a hurry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, Bob Jones said: The counterpoint here is that JA and a couple other QBs in the league (Stroud is one) do not have to "step into" their throws all the time (within reason/obviously can't arm only throw a 60 yarder) to make a good throw. So bottom line is that you're making an excuse for JA. Allen does not really step into throws. He rotates his upper body in a violent snapping motion to generate all that power. A lot of modern QBs are taught this way. The blow from Jones/Dawkins was unfortunately timed and placed to hit Allen so he couldn't finish the snap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, CincyBillsFan said: Wow you're serious. I was being tongue & cheek. But hey thanks for the honesty. IF the Bills swapped Allen to Chicago for this years first and next years first I would bet you my house that the Bears would win a Super Bowl before the Bills. Allen would elevate the Bears into the playoffs his first year there spoiling that 2nd 1st round pick we got. BTW I watch a lot of college football and this years QB crop is good with a lot of POTENTIAL but the idea that any of them would replicate what Allen has ACHIEVED is far fetched. Remember Lawrence was a can't miss #1 QB to. Not "first." FirstS. This year's, next year's included. All of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: think Burrow or Mahomes need mulligans? I'm not sure what that means. Both guys get WAY more help from the rest of their teams. It really boggles my mind how anyone can blame Allen for anything. He has carried this team on his back since he got here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: think Burrow or Mahomes need mulligans? 😂😂Foh w burrow Bengals haven't won dick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, UKBillFan said: You still haven't answered my question in another thread about who you'd like to replace him with, and how the Bills can do it. Check this thread or my thread a month and a half ago. Just now, GoBills808 said: 😂😂Foh w burrow Bengals haven't won dick Bengals have actually won an AFC CG But please do carry on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I laid out a specific plan in a thread a month and a half ago. Basically, if you can't get a good enough haul for him, you keep him. If you could, for example, trade him to chicago for all their firsts this year and next, you'd reset the cap clock for the QB position, thereby making it easier to rid ourselves of dead weight like Miller, Knox and White, and you'd have ample high picks to restock the cabinet in a hurry. So to solve the problem , you would get rid of the strength of the team in the hopes of getting the number 1 QB in football instead of the number 2. I think there are much easier and better ways. Your analysis and problem solving skills are questionable at best in my opinion. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Check this thread or my thread a month and a half ago. Bengals have actually won an AFC CG But please do carry on. Saw you post on here after I asked. I doubt any franchise will give what the Bills would ask for for Josh, so they'll have to run him back and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, Bob Jones said: The counterpoint here is that JA and a couple other QBs in the league (Stroud is one) do not have to "step into" their throws all the time (within reason/obviously can't arm only throw a 60 yarder) to make a good throw. So bottom line is that you're making an excuse for JA. So another poster who expects perfect throws on every play. I can state with complete certainty that when their offensive tackles are being pushed into their legs and they can't step into their throws even the best NFL QB's, including Stroud, will often miss that throw. BTW wasn't that throw over 40 yards? And for the record Allen has made that throw many times, probably more then any other QB in the NFL. But he's not going to make it every time. And for the record I was explaining why Allen wasn't able to make that throw which was the right read. If you want to call that an excuse have at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, UKBillFan said: Saw you post on here after I asked. I doubt any franchise will give what the Bills would ask for for Josh, so they'll have to run him back and see what happens. What an awful thing, running it back with Josh Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 hours ago, paulmm3 said: Diggs is trash. Sherfield is trash. Bass is trash. My mistake. I disagree with this sentiment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: What an awful thing, running it back with Josh Allen. I know. It's a disaster. I don't know how they could have made such a mess of the QB position... (Why am I worried someone might take the above seriously?) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, Patrick Duffy said: If it doesn't make sense then I don't know what to tell ya, also why do you assume they bleed the clock for a FG? You take what the D gives you and multiple times there were WRs crossing wide open that would easily gotten 1st down to keep the drive going. Not sure we are talking about the same play. There was 2 times in particular I recall that a WR was open crossing that would have been a 1st down and Josh didn't take it You are talking about the same play…the play where diggs was open for a short gainer Shakir was absolutely wide open for a td 😂. Which is why I’m telling you the throw to diggs there didn’t make a lot of sense with how well the chiefs defense responded in that second half the throw to shakir was probably even easier than the throw to diggs tbh…there was no defender to effect the throw Edited January 22 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: I know. It's a disaster. I don't know how they could have made such a mess of the QB position... (Why am I worried someone might take the above seriously?) I was wondering when the clown show posts about getting rid of Josh would start. We are gifted with literally one of the best QBs to maybe ever play the position and some people want to get rid of him. There aren't words to express how idiotic it is 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I laid out a specific plan in a thread a month and a half ago. Basically, if you can't get a good enough haul for him, you keep him. If you could, for example, trade him to chicago for all their firsts this year and next, you'd reset the cap clock for the QB position, thereby making it easier to rid ourselves of dead weight like Miller, Knox and White, and you'd have ample high picks to restock the cabinet in a hurry. So what good is resetting the CAP clock if your "can't miss" rookie QB is a miss? I mean just over the last 20 years or so we've had the following high draft pick QB's completely bust or never live up to their POTENTIAL: Mayfield, Tua, Vick, Winston, Murray, Bradford, Lynch, Rosen, Wilson, Darnold, Russel, David Carr & Trey Lance. And I'm sure I missed a few. Hell, even the can't miss Trevor Lawrence has been underwhelming. Again if the Bills made the trade you're suggesting, and thankfully they're not that dumb, the Bears would be a better team then Buffalo the very first season Allen was there. And over the next 5 years while the Bills new CAP friendly "can't miss" QB struggled the Bears would be lugging a SB trophy down the Magnificent Mile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 16 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Check this thread or my thread a month and a half ago. Bengals have actually won an AFC CG But please do carry on. If losing a superbowl was an achievement people cared about the bills franchise would be viewed a lot more favorably 😂. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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