Shout out another “elite” HC like Mike Tomlin

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said:

You are being ironic, right?

Is it irony, or is it sarcasm? 🤔

7 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

His record is better than Cowher's and ppl have been trying to fire him since basically day one while Cowher is a God figure.

Cowher has a better 'glower'.

 I wonder if I should do up a bunch of T-shirts. 🤔

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Nobody looks as pissed off as Cowher.  Even when his teams scored, or made a good play.  Not even God looked as angry when he evicted Adam and Eve.

Edited January 16 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[FireChans]

6 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

You do know he started his 3rd string QB tonight, right? You also know that he was playing without their Team's MVP, right?

I'm really grateful we didn't have to play against a healthy Watt.

He chose to start his third string QB. 
 

This isn’t “two guys went down with injury and can’t play.” You know that right?

38 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

You really think we won that game yesterday because Tomlin was out coached by McD and Brady? Bradys lack of running the ball from mid 2nd quarter to end of 3rd cost us blowing out an inferior opponent. We won that game despite incompetent decision making on the coaching staff giving up big 3rd and longs again and again. We won that game because we have the best player on the planet under center. We won that game because of these battle tested PLAYERS who have seen it all. Thankfully our coaches didn’t totally blow this game in spite of our amazing team. I would take any remaining playoff head coach (besides Tampa) and his staff 100 times out of 100 over ours and because we have the best all around team in the league and we’d roll to a Super Bowl this year with an “elite” HC and staff

The Bills came out and basically won the game in the first Q.

 

a quick 21-0 start with 2 turnovers was probably the exact opposite start Tomlin wanted.

 

So yeah, definitely outcoached.

[BillsFanSD]

Classless OP.  You take a Mason Rudolph-led team into the playoffs on the road without your all-world edge rusher and see how it goes for you.  

[FireChans]

26 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Maybe in the first half you can say he got out coached. He made better 2nd half adjustments than Mclappity. The game was still in doubt til late 4th quarter. 

 

All Tomlin does is win, and the last 5 Bills games all I heard was winning was all that matters. 

Tomlin doesn’t win playoff games.

 

That matters too, some people actually kill McD for not winning enough of them, but love Tomlin for never doing it.

[NeverOutNick]

6 minutes ago, FireChans said:

He chose to start his third string QB. 
 

This isn’t “two guys went down with injury and can’t play.” You know that right?

The Bills came out and basically won the game in the first Q.

 

a quick 21-0 start with 2 turnovers was probably the exact opposite start Tomlin wanted.

 

So yeah, definitely outcoached.

This means Tomlin was outcoached? We start out hot after a couple turnovers and then struggle the rest of the game to find momentum because the Steelers keep fighting and you think this means Tomlin was coached? Interesting

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

This means Tomlin was outcoached? We start out hot after a couple turnovers and then struggle the rest of the game to find momentum because the Steelers keep fighting and you think this means Tomlin was coached? Interesting

Yes. They had no answers for our first two drives. Outprepared and outcoached.

 

if the Stillers went up 21-0 on the Bills early, I’m VERY confident no one would be talking about how good of a coaching job it was by McD having the boys ready to play and a good gameplan.

 

Then again, it’s just more of the same silly double standard when it comes to 0fer Tomlin who gets love for winning 9 games per season and smacked in the postseason.

Edited January 16 by FireChans

[dave mcbride]

8 hours ago, FireChans said:

They still got a franchise QB after it. The idea they have to win 4 games to get a good QB is nonsense.

The guy he drafted in the third round 4 years ago and decided to start over the guy he drafted in the first round last year is his QB, imo. 

The bills got allen because they had a ridiculous amount of draft capital going into the 2018 draft after the cordy glenn trade, the tyrod taylor trade, and the 2017 kc trade that landed kc’s first rounder in 2018. That’s the only reason they got Allen, and that had nothing to do with coaching. 

Edited January 16 by dave mcbride

[FireChans]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

The bills got allen because they had a ridiculous amount of draft capital going into the 2018 draft after the cordy glenn, tyrod taylor, and 2017 kc trade that landed kc’s first rounder. That’s the only reason they got Allen, and that had nothing to do with coaching. 

The Steelers could trade some pieces and acquire some draft capital while still trying to limp into the postseason to get obliterated again.

 

I mean, why not? They do it every year regardless. Why not try to get an extra first for Minkah or 2 firsts for Watt?

[Since1981]

This take that Tomlin is not a solid HC is bogus. He’s where we were with Tyrod. Imagine that team with Josh Pat Lamar? They need a top 25 QB. 
 

agree. It’s not coaching. They do need to make moves / deals to get a real QB. Otherwise, they are middle road QB purgatory, for years

Edited January 16 by Since1981

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

The Steelers could trade some pieces and acquire some draft capital while still trying to limp into the postseason to get obliterated again.

 

I mean, why not? They do it every year regardless. Why not try to get an extra first for Minkah or 2 firsts for Watt?

They could, but that’s not something that Tomlin handles, and he’s the subject of your thread.

[Royale with Cheese]

9 hours ago, FireChans said:

Man oh man, this guy is just so elite.

 

He really had his guys ready to play today. They kept it pretty close in the first Q and came out ready to fight. 

 

Just another incredible coaching product by Tomlin today. He saw what other “better than McDermott” coaches like Mike McCarthy cooked up yesterday and what Mike McDaniel cooked up the last two weeks and wanted a piece for himself.

 

All these elite coaches, just being elite and superior to our own McDummy week after week. 
 

Good luck to Mike Tomlin on his elusive hunt for his second playoff win since 2016. If only we could be so lucky to have such a coach.

 

SUPER SERIOUS EDIT:

 

I crunched the numbers and it’s actually FIRST playoff win since 2016. Man, we gotta get THAT guy.

Great coaches typically win with 3rd string QB’s. 

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

They could, but that’s not something that Tomlin handles, and he’s the subject of your thread.

Does Tomlin work with his GM or just follow orders? 
 

I’m pretty sure he’s allowed to say, “I’m not content to win 9 games and get dominated in the postseason, can you make some moves for better QB talent?”

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

Great coaches typically win with 3rd string QB’s. 

Mason Rudolph is the first string QB.

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, FireChans said:

Does Tomlin work with his GM or just follow orders? 
 

I’m pretty sure he’s allowed to say, “I’m not content to win 9 games and get dominated in the postseason, can you make some moves for better QB talent?”

Mason Rudolph is the first string QB.

Rudolph is his first string QB as much as Tyrod Taylor is Dabolls first string QB.

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Does Tomlin work with his GM or just follow orders? 
 

I’m pretty sure he’s allowed to say, “I’m not content to win 9 games and get dominated in the postseason, can you make some moves for better QB talent?”

And if that GM doesn’t bring in the talent, then its Tomlins fault?

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Rudolph is his first string QB as much as Tyrod Taylor is Dabolls first string QB.

And if that GM doesn’t bring in the talent, then its Tomlins fault?

That’s actually completely wrong.

 

Daniel Jones is first string and is injured for the year. Tyrod started as a backup only.

 

Mason Rudolph is starting with Kenny Pickett, healthy, backing him up. 
 

It’s like folks don’t even pay attention around the league.

 

No, it’s not Tomlin’s fault. But I still won’t say he’s a better coach than McD, either.

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The bills got allen because they had a ridiculous amount of draft capital going into the 2018 draft after the cordy glenn trade, the tyrod taylor trade, and the 2017 kc trade that landed kc’s first rounder in 2018. That’s the only reason they got Allen, and that had nothing to do with coaching. 

 

Had nothing to do with coaching decisions, but when McDermott arrived they straight away uncommitted to Tyrod Taylor and forced him into a paycut and ripping up guarantees. Then McDermott ran the draft where they traded back. Then his buddy arrived as GM and started stockpiling picks.... This was the first time in forever a regime landed in Buffalo and said "guys you gotta get a Quarterback" and then began doing things aimed at getting one. Buffalo for years under a series of regimes had found reasons not draft Quarterbacks until they were backed into a corner. McDermott and Beane said "that is the most important move and we need to set ourselves up to make it." 

 

In doing so McDermott traded out of the pick that became Mahomes. And you have to be balanced and say that was, and is, a questionable decision. But they definitely had a plan that involved getting a proper Quarterback in the building. Not coaching as such but it was a decision that the regime made. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

 

Mason Rudolph is starting with Kenny Pickett, healthy, backing him up. 
 

 

And they are not committing to him as the starter for 2024. Or at least they weren't as of last week. We will see what they say in the end of year presser. But I expect them to try and re-sign Rudolph and have some form of competition. 

 

If Rudolph breaks free I would be interested in bringing him in to Buffalo and letting him compete for a backup job. I have been impressed with him the last month. Equally if they release Trubisky I'd be interested in kicking the tires on bringing him back too. 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

That’s actually completely wrong.

 

Daniel Jones is first string and is injured for the year. Tyrod started as a backup only.

 

Mason Rudolph is starting with Kenny Pickett, healthy, backing him up. 
 

It’s like folks don’t even pay attention around the league.

 

No, it’s not Tomlin’s fault. But I still won’t say he’s a better coach than McD, either.

Dude, use your head.

 

Tomlin named Kenny Pickett week 1 starter.  After Pickett was benched, why didn’t Rudolph go in immediately after?

He went to Rudolph because he had nothing else after Trubisky.  Being QB1 by default is a terrible argument.

 

Daniel Jones before getting hurt had 2 TD passes to 6 INT’s and a 70 QB rating.  How much longer was he going going to be the starter?

[Coach Tuesday]

The premise of this “thread” is that Tomlin has been anointed and built up by the media as “elite” when he doesn’t deserve it, whereas other coaches like McDermott have been torn down by the media when they’ve got similar or better credentials.

 

Of course, there’s a subtext to this “theory” - there always is with this particular poster - but if anyone called it out he’d act all shocked.  “What?  Oh no, I wasn’t saying THAT, why you must be reading into it, that’s a YOU problem!”  
 

Been years of this type of gaslighting by this particular poster.  Years.

Edited January 16 by Coach Tuesday

[ddaryl]

Tomlin is a solid HC. If Pittsburgh doesn't re ante he won't be unemployed long IMO

[Heavy Kevi]

10 hours ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

For a team that carries a reputation for being about toughness and discipline they've had a weird number of examples of players lollygagging this season, most recently Minkah on Josh's long rushing TD today.

 

No, no, no

 

That was Josh cheating with a fake slide. Haven't you seen the KC and Dolphans complaining about it?

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Dude, use your head.

 

Tomlin named Kenny Pickett week 1 starter.  After Pickett was benched, why didn’t Rudolph go in immediately after?

He went to Rudolph because he had nothing else after Trubisky.  Being QB1 by default is a terrible argument.

 

 

That is how they got here. But "here" is a position where at the end of year 2 the organisation went with a guy who started the year as 3rd string in a playoff game despite Pickett being healthy and refused publicly to commit to Pickett for next season as of last week. What they say in the end of year presser will be very interesting but I think they are going to have a competition for that job in camp. I do not think it is a given that Kenny Pickett ever plays another down for Pittsburgh in a competitive game. 

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That is how they got here. But "here" is a position where at the end of year 2 the organisation went with a guy who started the year as 3rd string in a playoff game despite Pickett being healthy and refused publicly to commit to Pickett for next season as of last week. What they say in the end of year presser will be very interesting but I think they are going to have a competition for that job in camp. I do not think it is a given that Kenny Pickett ever plays another down for Pittsburgh in a competitive game. 

If Mason Rudolph is the answer for them going forward, isn't it a massive failure from a talent-evaluation standpoint that it took them 6 seasons to see that?

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, Low Positive said:

If Mason Rudolph is the answer for them going forward, isn't it a massive failure from a talent-evaluation standpoint that it took them 6 seasons to see that?

He is playing better?  Players improve.

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The premise of this “thread” is that Tomlin has been anointed and built up by the media as “elite” when he doesn’t deserve it, whereas other coaches like McDermott have been torn down by the media when they’ve got similar or better credentials.

 

Of course, there’s a subtext to this “theory” - there always is with this particular poster - but if anyone called it out he’d act all shocked.  “What?  Oh no, I wasn’t saying THAT, why you must be reading into it, that’s a YOU problem!”  
 

Been years of this type of gaslighting by this particular poster.  Years.

???? what lmao.

 

You’re unfortunately missing the forest for the trees.

Edited January 16 by FireChans

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

???? what lmao

Exactly as predicted.

[FireChans]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

Exactly as predicted.

Yeah because that’s insane to accuse me of subtly implementing RACIST subtext because I think McD is just as good a coach as Tomlin, McDaniel, Sirianni, Harbaugh, Stefanski or whoever is the next coach du jour. 

 

I reported your post. You should probably never read or respond to me again.

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, FireChans said:

Yeah because that’s insane to accuse me of subtly implementing RACIST subtext because I think McD is just as good a coach as Tomlin, McDaniel, Sirianni, Harbaugh, Stefanski or whoever is the next coach du jour. 

 

I reported your post. You should probably never read or respond to me again.

I didn’t call you a racist, go ahead and report me.  I am accusing you of pot-stirring.

[ddaryl]

4 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

If Mason Rudolph is the answer for them going forward, isn't it a massive failure from a talent-evaluation standpoint that it took them 6 seasons to see that?

 

 

He is not the answer. He is a place holder capable of keeping the team competitive while they continue to look for a bonafide starter IMO. Kinda like Geno Smith. Neither QB is carrying you to the SB  but with a solid team they're in the discussion with what they do have

[SoTier]

OP, I got your sarcasm -- and the point you were trying to make -- in your initial post of this thread.  You should have quit then and acknowledged what you were trying to do.   Sarcasm and/or irony frequently doesn't work well in a written format since both depend upon verbal and/or visual cues in the delivery plus many people are simply very literal in their interpretation of the written word.   Your choice to continue your sarcasm throughout this thread makes you seem ignorant and classless, which from numerous other posts of yours I've read, I know isn't so.

 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I didn’t call you a racist, go ahead and report me.  I am accusing you of pot-stirring.

You accused me of “subtext and gaslighting.”

 

I guess I’m accusing you of the same, because you didn’t flat out say I was a racist. 

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

He is playing better?  Players improve.

 

It is this for me. I like Rudolph coming out, I confess, but I'd totally given up on him and said there was no way the Steelers got to 10 wins when he took over and he was bound to collapse into a mess sooner or later. But he didn't. I think the thing that always surprised me watching him in the league was he seemed gun shy. Whereas in college he was a dealer who took chances with the ball. I wonder if the prospect of selling insurance rather than playing football which he really considered last spring triggered something in him and he just said "if I get another shot I am going to let it rip."

 

He has outplayed Pickett in his brief run this year. 5 TDs in 4 games. Pickett had 6 in 13. 

3 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

He is not the answer. He is a place holder capable of keeping the team competitive while they continue to look for a bonafide starter IMO. Kinda like Geno Smith. Neither QB is carrying you to the SB  but with a solid team they're in the discussion with what they do have

 

agree with this. And it will allow him to kick around as a backup a few years

[Watkins101]

I don’t know, I think what Tomlin has done well with the team he’s been given. Since 2019, the QBs have been Mason Rudolph (bad), Duck Hodges(also bad), an Ancient Big Ben (who rarely threw more than 10 yards downfield), Kenny Picket (mediocre at best), and a little bit of mitchel trubisky(somehow worse). That’s a drought era level of Qb play. Somehow Tomlin got his team into the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years.

[pocoboy]

10 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Tomlin is a great coach.

 

That roster is average at best.

 

How he got to 10 wins in the toughest division in football is a borderline miracle lol

 

If he wasn't doing McDermott a favor yesterday, then there's no excuse.

 

End of the 1st half, they had the Bills on the ropes and he let them off the hook not forcing Buffalo to get the 1st down with time outs. He could have forced a 4th down dilemma with a banged up punter or go for it.

 

They also botched any chance of possibly pressuring Buffalo by not trying for quicker strikes on that final drive.

 

Another coach that will have a bust in Canton on the back of a HOF QB.

[Coach Tuesday]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

You accused me of “subtext and gaslighting.”

 

I guess I’m accusing you of the same, because you didn’t flat out say I was a racist. 

I am accusing you of pot-stirring, which I think you get joy out of doing here.  The premise here is that Tomlin isn’t elite because he took a third-string QB to the playoffs?  What?  

[Avisan]

5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I am accusing you of pot-stirring, which I think you get joy out of doing here.  The premise here is that Tomlin isn’t elite because he took a third-string QB to the playoffs?  What?  

The premise here is that half the board was calling for McDermott to get fired mid-season so we could try to bring in an elite coach like Tomlin, McDaniel, Sirianni, etc.

 

There were posts upon posts of how the Bills just paled in comparison to top-tier organizations like the Eagles and how we could never hope to truly compete with them.

 

And here we are, onto the divisional round, and every TBD darling save for the 49ers are home on their couch.

Edited January 16 by Avisan

[FireChans]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

I am accusing you of pot-stirring, which I think you get joy out of doing here.  The premise here is that Tomlin isn’t elite because he took a third-string QB to the playoffs?  What?  

The premise is that a lot of these coaches that posters swear up and down are superior to our coach are going to Cancun. And we are alive.

 

Over the last month, I have defended McD’s resume against the following coaches:

 

Tomlin, McDaniel, Sirianni, McCarthy (seriously), Bowles (seriously), Harbaugh, Stefanski, etc etc. 

 

You can go look back at my posts. I have ripped Harbaugh for not having more than one playoff win since 2014 like 100 times.

 

To insinuate any kind of “subtext” behind my OP because I mostly referenced the guy our team flat out beat in the context of the discussions above is just wrong. And it’s honestly really not ***** cool.

 

To be clear, this is the last time I’m going to engage with you. I don’t have a single person on my block list but you’re gonna break that for me. Peace.

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, Avisan said:

The premise here is that half the board was calling for McDermott to get fired mid-season so we could try to bring in an elite coach like Tomlin, McDaniels, Sirianni, etc.

 

There were posts upon posts of how the Bills just paled in comparison to top-tier organizations like the Eagles and how we could never hope to truly compete with them.

 

And here we are, onto the divisional round, and every TBD darling save for the 49ers are home on their couch.

Half of the Steelers boards have been calling for Tomlin’s head all season.  Goes with the territory.  

[Avisan]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Half of the Steelers boards have been calling for Tomlin’s head all season.  Goes with the territory.  

And those fans are ALSO idiots.

[dave mcbride]

51 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Had nothing to do with coaching decisions, but when McDermott arrived they straight away uncommitted to Tyrod Taylor and forced him into a paycut and ripping up guarantees. Then McDermott ran the draft where they traded back. Then his buddy arrived as GM and started stockpiling picks.... This was the first time in forever a regime landed in Buffalo and said "guys you gotta get a Quarterback" and then began doing things aimed at getting one. Buffalo for years under a series of regimes had found reasons not draft Quarterbacks until they were backed into a corner. McDermott and Beane said "that is the most important move and we need to set ourselves up to make it." 

 

In doing so McDermott traded out of the pick that became Mahomes. And you have to be balanced and say that was, and is, a questionable decision. But they definitely had a plan that involved getting a proper Quarterback in the building. Not coaching as such but it was a decision that the regime made. 

Yeah, but Tomlin was never in a position to exert that type of authority over the draft. That's not how Pittsburgh operates.

[Royale with Cheese]

36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That is how they got here. But "here" is a position where at the end of year 2 the organisation went with a guy who started the year as 3rd string in a playoff game despite Pickett being healthy and refused publicly to commit to Pickett for next season as of last week. What they say in the end of year presser will be very interesting but I think they are going to have a competition for that job in camp. I do not think it is a given that Kenny Pickett ever plays another down for Pittsburgh in a competitive game. 

 

Neither will Rudolph.  

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they go after someone like Cousins if Minnesota lets him go.  Maybe Russ Wilson.