Aussie Joe Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 8 minutes ago, SoMAn said: No NFL team is going to hire a 65-year-old retread coach to rehabilitate their program. Gee, I thought Frazier was just taking the year off to rest. Isn’t his DC job with Buffalo still there? 😏 You don’t think he can help Herbert get over the hump? 😎 2 minutes ago, Mango said: First, I don't think he gets this job. But I do think there is some credence to a Fraizer-esque hire. The org needs some stability and they need to start stringing together some 10 plus win seasons. With Herbert they will want to make a trendy and booming hire. I get it. But Herbert is about to enter the 5th year of his career. but if Ben Johnson flops like some of their other hires they are toast. 3 x 10-7 seasons from a Fraizer-like hire, and then promote/get somebody else to get them over the top isn't the worst idea ever. I am a huge proponent that Gailey/Nix/Whaley were big parts of getting this team back on track. The Levy/Russ Brandon GM era's were an embarrassment. The big question around some of the conservative/defensive hires will revolve around who their plan is at OC. Ben Johnson? What about Harbaugh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) It would be hard to have a drastically worse hire for a team with Super Bowl aspirations than Leslie Frazier. You know with absolute certainty that the guy won't get you there. For a disaster organization just looking to get respectable? Maybe. Edited January 10 by BullBuchanan 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 7 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: You don’t think he can help Herbert get over the hump? 😎 Ben Johnson? What about Harbaugh? Sorry I didn't break down all the options for you/LAC. Christ I was just talking about some of the benefits of a Frazier hire compared to a trendy OC hire and the risk/reward. Certainly Harbaugh is likely a safe option as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: I wouldnt worry about if we get picks or not, no one is hiring this guy as a head coach. It seems every year there's a HC hiring that surprises me. I'm not discounting the possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, Mango said: Sorry I didn't break down all the options for you/LAC. Christ I was just talking about some of the benefits of a Frazier hire compared to a trendy OC hire and the risk/reward. Certainly Harbaugh is likely a safe option as well. Would you want Frazier as the Bills HC ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 14 minutes ago, Mango said: First, I don't think he gets this job. But I do think there is some credence to a Fraizer-esque hire. The org needs some stability and they need to start stringing together some 10 plus win seasons. With Herbert they will want to make a trendy and booming hire. I get it. But Herbert is about to enter the 5th year of his career. but if Ben Johnson flops like some of their other hires they are toast. 3 x 10-7 seasons from a Fraizer-like hire, and then promote/get somebody else to get them over the top isn't the worst idea ever. I think he might get a job as a caretaker HC if the team has an offensive mind who they believe needs some seasoning as OC for a few years before becoming HC. OC would be promised HC contract in specified period of time and complete control of the offense. The problem with this is Rooney Rule if the offensive mind is not a minority. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Likely this is a Rooney Rule interview Rooney Rule turns all the black assistant coaches into racial tokens. Happened with Anthony Lynn every season too. They should be the first one to oppose this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, Mango said: First, I don't think he gets this job. But I do think there is some credence to a Fraizer-esque hire. The org needs some stability and they need to start stringing together some 10 plus win seasons. With Herbert they will want to make a trendy and booming hire. I get it. But Herbert is about to enter the 5th year of his career. but if Ben Johnson flops like some of their other hires they are toast. 3 x 10-7 seasons from a Fraizer-like hire, and then promote/get somebody else to get them over the top isn't the worst idea ever. I am a huge proponent that Gailey/Nix/Whaley were big parts of getting this team back on track. The Levy/Russ Brandon GM era's were an embarrassment. The big question around some of the conservative/defensive hires will revolve around who their plan is at OC. Gailey/Nix/Whaley were horrible. I don't get the love for 33% Gailey. I'll never forget the time Chan punted from the opponent's 34 yard line. Nix hit on a draft choice every now & made the great Jerry Hughes trade, but then was responsible for drafting EJ Manuel in the 1st round. Whaley had bad drafts, not one player in any of his 3 drafts (2014-16, I don't include the McDermott draft of 2017) got a 2nd contract. Whaley also doubled down with the bad trade to move up for Watkins. Take a look at the Whaley drafts-disgraceful! The only part of them getting this team back on track was failing miserably in enough time to get shown the door before the 2018 draft. Those clowns would have probably drafted Josh Rosen. 2 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said: Rooney Rule turns all the black assistant coaches into racial tokens. Happened with Anthony Lynn every season too. They should be the first one to oppose this. Bad example. Anthony Lynn got the Chargers job in 2017. I remember in 2017 there was talk of the Bills hiring Lynn as HC & I was totally against anyone who came here with Rex Ryan getting the job. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: I wouldnt worry about if we get picks or not, no one is hiring this guy as a head coach. Never say never the Texans hired Lovie Smith out of the blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 6 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Would you want Frazier as the Bills HC ? I don't know what you are arguing with me about. Ben Johnson v. Harbaugh? I even pointed out in my response that I did not go through every possibility for the Chargers and Harbaugh was a better option. Now it is "would you hire Frazier?" Dude. I am not saying any of those things, you are showing up to be combative about a topic I am not even standing behind. I was just pointing out some pro's of making a conservative hire for a franchise that is flailing with a could be franchise QB in the wings. I even started my entire post with "I don't think he will get the job". 9 minutes ago, Limeaid said: I think he might get a job as a caretaker HC if the team has an offensive mind who they believe needs some seasoning as OC for a few years before becoming HC. OC would be promised HC contract in specified period of time and complete control of the offense. The problem with this is Rooney Rule if the offensive mind is not a minority. That was my thought. You were a bit more succinct. I also think the Chargers could fit that mold. Thank you. 6 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Gailey/Nix/Whaley were horrible. I don't get the love for 33% Gailey. I'll never forget the time Chan punted from the opponent's 34 yard line. Nix hit on a draft choice every now & made the great Jerry Hughes trade, but then was responsible for drafting EJ Manuel in the 1st round. Whaley had bad drafts, not one player in any of his 3 drafts (2014-16, I don't include the McDermott draft of 2017) got a 2nd contract. Whaley also doubled down with the bad trade to move up for Watkins. Take a look at the Whaley drafts-disgraceful! The only part of them getting this team back on track was failing miserably in enough time to get shown the door before the 2018 draft. Those clowns would have probably drafted Josh Rosen. Bad example. Anthony Lynn got the Chargers job in 2017. I remember in 2017 there was talk of the Bills hiring Lynn as HC & I was totally against anyone who came here with Rex Ryan getting the job. I think Gailey and Nix were both respected as a quality offensive coach and player evaluator. I totally agree they weren't good, but getting real life football people in the door was a necessary intermediate step. The Sabres will likely have to take a similar interim step. The Kevyn Adams hire smells a lot like Russ Brandon as GM of the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Never say never the Texans hired Lovie Smith out of the blue. He was their defensive coordinator the year before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Mango said: I don't know what you are arguing with me about. Ben Johnson v. Harbaugh? I even pointed out in my response that I did not go through every possibility for the Chargers and Harbaugh was a better option. Now it is "would you hire Frazier?" Dude. I am not saying any of those things, you are showing up to be combative about a topic I am not even standing behind. I was just pointing out some pro's of making a conservative hire for a franchise that is flailing with a could be franchise QB in the wings. I even started my entire post with "I don't think he will get the job". Dude… calm down… I have asked you two questions … why are you saying that is “being combative” or “ arguing”… I assume you want to engage in a dialogue here … hence the reason you are posting ..I was just trying to understand more information for what you have posted … I asked about Harbaugh because this is the main candidate being connected with the Chargers so far in this process … not Ben Johnson … Edited January 10 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Agreed. Tell you a team destined for continued mediocrity, Tennesse Titans. As bad as Bud Addams was (a la Ralph Wilson at the end) his dughter is even more inept, firing Mike Vrable who will be picked up in a nano-second. Followed closely behind are the Carolina Panthers and NY Jets. Somehow the Browns have yet to blow up this year. The Browns would have struggled to 6 wins if Watson stayed healthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Agreed. Tell you a team destined for continued mediocrity, Tennesse Titans. As bad as Bud Addams was (a la Ralph Wilson at the end) his dughter is even more inept, firing Mike Vrable who will be picked up in a nano-second. Followed closely behind are the Carolina Panthers and NY Jets. Somehow the Browns have yet to blow up this year. I'd put the Panthers #1. He's already has a pretty good history. In Tenn isn't this only the first fire/hire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 they should hire their OC. Perhaps Frazier as their DC? (not that he is great but his soft junk may work when you have Bosa). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKC Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 55 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't expect Leslie to get hired as a HC this cycle. If he is willing to be a DC again next year he will get a job at that level. But there are almost always guys less capable than Leslie hired as Head Coaches. Brandon Staley was one of them. Chargers gonna Charger. As long as the top answer to "How do you keep Ed Oliver under 5 sacks a year" is having Leslie Frazier coach his D, the challenges for Leslie would seem far too steep for even boneheads like the Spanos family to seriously consider hiring him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 He will not get that job. I could see him becoming the DC for the Giants. To me, Frazier's only shot is a franchise that is bottoming out and needs someone to coach them through a rebuild. Maybe the Titans if they go full rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 7 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: The Browns would have struggled to 6 wins if Watson stayed healthy Think you are right. I think Watson has lost his edge and may never get it back. D Watson trade should go down as one of the worst in NFL history. BUT you have to give them all the credit for getting Flacco, now they have a reasonable shot at making a playoff run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 45 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: You don’t think he can help Herbert get over the hump? 😎 Ben Johnson? What about Harbaugh? That is my bet on where they go. They have the QB and a purestud pass rusher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Hope for his sake he does not get the Job. Looks likes one of the worst landing spot atm. - So over cap. so many issues. so many old over paid players. Gonna be some pain in this org before it gets better. They need to CUT Bosa and WIlliams lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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