BRH Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 This is on the officials, but why are three guys going over to the ref so 68 can report? That seems like it would be a tad confusing. Maybe they were hoping to confuse the Cowboys… and ended up confusing the refs instead. And once the announcement was made, even if a coach had heard it the Lions had no timeouts left to correct the error. Total fustercluck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) That ending should be renamed the agony and the ecstasy and then the agony and the ecstasy.. What a rollercoaster for two fan bases. Edited December 31, 2023 by wjag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeam Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Good morning. Really not surprised to be walking up to another game decided by a referee blunder. This one is bordering on blatantly influencing the direction of a game to fit some marketing narrative $$. All football fans should be outraged at the officiating these last few years. It's the Lions today, and the Bills season tomorrow. I pray that the Bills win the Superbowl this season, so I can rid myself of this burden. That's what watching football these days feels like. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 If we took a poll before the game that the refs would screw over a team at the end of the game, what percentage of people on this board would have guessed it would be the Lions, not the Cowboys? Has to be 95ish percent. 6 hours ago, julian said: I have a problem with the ref apparently not hearing Decker right in front of him declaring as eligible, but he does hear #70 declare from much further away as he’s running into the field and who never actually said a word to the ref. My best guess is the ref was in autopilot, just going through the motions of how the declaration of eligibility normally mechanically plays out and just assumed 70 running towards him was declaring. This is the best job I can do trying to defend the ref, it was careless and not worthy of continued employment in the NFL. The league needs to send a clear message that this nonchalant approach to officiating won’t be tolerated. This is likely exactly what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 I don't think I've ever seen a team go for it on the 7 when a FG or extra point would have tied it. I think Dan Campbell wasn't thinking straight after the refs botched the first play. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, HomeTeam said: Good morning. Really not surprised to be walking up to another game decided by a referee blunder. This one is bordering on blatantly influencing the direction of a game to fit some marketing narrative $$. All football fans should be outraged at the officiating these last few years. It's the Lions today, and the Bills season tomorrow. I pray that the Bills win the Superbowl this season, so I can rid myself of this burden. That's what watching football these days feels like. Hopefully the Bills are in the NFL’s script this year. I don’t understand how the guy can report to the ref, the ref go and report it to the Cowboys, and then a flag gets thrown. There were enough witnesses on the Lions side to know if the player reported (which he must have given the video). It would be interesting to know when the ref ran over to the Cowboys side, if anyone heard anything or not. Of course the Cowboys would prob say they heard nothing, and to not implicate themselves for why the guy got open for the 2 points. It’d be shocking if a Cowboys player admitted otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 8 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: While the ref definitely made a mistake, I have to blame the lions a bit here. They have 3 o-lineman going to one ref to report one lineman eligible. What could go wrong? How about just have the one eligible lineman report? The guy that actually says im eligible is the guy the ref has to report. Doesn't matter if there are 7 guys by the ref the ref doesnt get to pick a guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 That last Detroit drive gave me [not good] flashbacks to several of our games this year. Was getting to the point - How will we lose this time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 The worst part about all this is Brad Allen doubling down in the postgame pc and saying 70 reported. You know there has to be audio proving otherwise. You also know we’ll get to hear it right about the same time we get to see the Spygate tapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Doesn’t matter 68 was covered up by a WR. He’s ineligible no matter if he , 70, Campbell , or Dr Seuss reports whatever they want… 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, balln said: Doesn’t matter 68 was covered up by a WR. He’s ineligible no matter if he , 70, Campbell , or Dr Seuss reports whatever they want… He wasn’t covered up lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeam Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 28 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Hopefully the Bills are in the NFL’s script this year. I don’t understand how the guy can report to the ref, the ref go and report it to the Cowboys, and then a flag gets thrown. There were enough witnesses on the Lions side to know if the player reported (which he must have given the video). It would be interesting to know when the ref ran over to the Cowboys side, if anyone heard anything or not. Of course the Cowboys would prob say they heard nothing, and to not implicate themselves for why the guy got open for the 2 points. It’d be shocking if a Cowboys player admitted otherwise. I believe the issue is that they recorded the wrong lineman reporting as eligible, since there were two of them in the area. xD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Lions got hosed on that call. That said I am glad they lost moved my Pats to pick #3 again. (Which makes no sense to me how they do the order, shouldnt Washington beating the Pats make the Pats 3?? lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 We were at the Bills v Chargers game last Saturday and it literally became comical how many times we heard the referee declare our extra Tackle as eligible play after play after play over the loud speaker system in SoFi. So much so that my group kept repeating it to each other and laughing out loud before every play. Was that not the case in Dallas? Was 68’s name not called? If he wasn’t then the Detroit coaching staff is definitely to blame. They should’ve stopped the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 One of the better games of the season. Dan Campbell does not bore viewers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: We were at the Bills v Chargers game last Saturday and it literally became comical how many times we heard the referee declare our extra Tackle as eligible play after play after play over the loud speaker system in SoFi. So much so that my group kept repeating it to each other and laughing out loud before every play. Was that not the case in Dallas? Was 68’s name not called? If he wasn’t then the Detroit coaching staff is definitely to blame. They should’ve stopped the play. The stadium announced #70 as eligible. Most likely, nobody on the field heard the announcement because it was very loud and they were all focused on listening to Goff since they were in the huddle at the time. Detroit also had no timeouts to stop the game and having Decker go over and correct the officials would have likely caused a delay of game or completely given the play away to Dallas at that point. The whole point of the play was to get Dallas assuming #70 was the one reporting as eligible just long enough to sneak #68 into the end zone for the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said: I don't think I've ever seen a team go for it on the 7 when a FG or extra point would have tied it. I think Dan Campbell wasn't thinking straight after the refs botched the first play. Maybe. Everyone knew they were passing, though. If a team has one play, I think the odds of throwing a TD from the 2 are pretty similar to the odds of throwing a TD from the 7. I wasn't that surprised he went for it again. Edited December 31, 2023 by WEATHER DOT COM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 50 minutes ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said: I don't think I've ever seen a team go for it on the 7 when a FG or extra point would have tied it. I think Dan Campbell wasn't thinking straight after the refs botched the first play. My thoughts exactly. Everyone here blaming the refs but I wasn't on the field and don't know what transpired with eligibility reporting of the lineman. The coach went with the lower % option and I'd still call it a bad decision even if they'd made it. I'm glad Dallas won but if I'm a Lions fan right now I'm livid with that decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Just now, WEATHER DOT COM said: Maybe. Everyone knew they were passing, though. If a team has one play, I think the odds of throwing a TD from the 2 are pretty similar to the odds of throwing a TD from the 7th. I wasn't that surprised he went for it again. No. Going for it from the 2 yard line vs. The 7 is a massive difference. According to next gen stats it's a difference of over 16% win probability. Campbell deciding to go for it on the 7 equated to a -13.5% probability of winning. I can't think of any coaching decision that ever resulted in more of a negative swing in winning %. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 16 minutes ago, DCOrange said: The stadium announced #70 as eligible. Most likely, nobody on the field heard the announcement because it was very loud and they were all focused on listening to Goff since they were in the huddle at the time. Detroit also had no timeouts to stop the game and having Decker go over and correct the officials would have likely caused a delay of game or completely given the play away to Dallas at that point. The whole point of the play was to get Dallas assuming #70 was the one reporting as eligible just long enough to sneak #68 into the end zone for the play. Clearly. Thats why we were laughing at SoFi. The announcement was so loud you could’ve heard it outside the stadium. Still, an indication that Detroit got a bit too tricky even for their own good, and it backfired. Once the mess was made, you kick the extra point and head to overtime. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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