4merper4mer Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: The Bengals-Chiefs game next week is MASSIVE. If the Bengals can pull the upset, which I can totally see, we're going to be back in nail-biting territory. Shirley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Einstein said:  Only if you think we are not beating Miami.  Which is a terrible mindset in my opinion. It's not a terrible mindset at all. It's tough to sweep division rivals.  2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: The Bengals-Chiefs game next week is MASSIVE. If the Bengals can pull the upset, which I can totally see, we're going to be back in nail-biting territory. Â I can't see it with Jake Browning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Shirley Any given Sunday. The Bills almost lost to the Chargers so its very possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: Any given Sunday. The Bills almost lost to the Chargers so its very possible. And the Chiefs still have to play today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: It's not a terrible mindset at all. It's tough to sweep division rivals.   If we can’t beat Miami in Week 18, what makes you think we can beat them the literal following week?  We either have the horses or we don’t.  Miami 1-7 against teams with a winning record in the past 450 days. If we can’t beat them with the division on the line, we don’t deserve the playoffs. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 12 minutes ago, Einstein said:  If we can’t beat Miami in Week 18, what makes you think we can beat them the literal following week?  We either have the horses or we don’t.  Miami 1-7 against teams with a winning record in the past 450 days. If we can’t beat them with the division on the line, we don’t deserve the playoffs. I don't think they go that far this season even if they make the playoffs. The offense is too inconsistent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 19 minutes ago, Einstein said:  If we can’t beat Miami in Week 18, what makes you think we can beat them the literal following week?  We either have the horses or we don’t.  There have been 5 times in the last 20 years where teams played each other back to back in the final regular season game and in the wildcard round. The teams that lost in the final regular season game went on to win in the wildcard round 3 out of 5 times. Sorry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: The Bengals-Chiefs game next week is MASSIVE. If the Bengals can pull the upset, which I can totally see, we're going to be back in nail-biting territory. Â Not really. If the Bills win next week, any combo of 2 losses from 5 games gets them in and the only really bad situation over the next 2 weeks is if the Bills drop a game and both the Steelers and Bengals win out. Edited December 25, 2023 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 11 minutes ago, gobills404 said: There have been 5 times in the last 20 years where teams played each other back to back in the final regular season game and in the wildcard round. The teams that lost in the final regular season game went on to win in the wildcard round 3 out of 5 times. Sorry.  lol. You missed the context. Those 3 teams that won the rematches were resting their starters in the final regular season game (often division winners), or had their QB injured in the playoffs  So let’s look at those 3 teams who lost in Week 17 and then won the Wild Card round..  The 2004 Colts had the division wrapped up  and rested their starters (for example, Jim Sorgi played instead of Peyton Manning in Week 17). Therefore, the Colts backups lost to the Broncos in the final week of the season before beating the Broncos with their starters the following week. Context: They weren’t trying to win Week 17.  The 2009 Cardinals rested their starters in Week 17 against the Packers. The Cardinals backups lost to the Packers in the final week and then beat them in the Wild Card the following week with their starters. Context: They weren’t trying to win Week 17.  The 2012 Vikings beat the Packers with their starters in the final week of the season, and then lost to the Packers the following week in the wild card. Sounds great, until you realize that the Vikings starting QB was hurt late in that final week game, so backup Joe Webb had to start, which is why the Vikings lost the rematch. Webb scored only 10 points, whereas the starter (the previous week) scored 37. Context: They we’re without their starting QB.  So, that 3-2 record of teams losing in the final week and winning in the wild card, when you look at the context, goes up in complete smoke.  Sorry. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Einstein said:  If we can’t beat Miami in Week 18, what makes you think we can beat them the literal following week?  We either have the horses or we don’t.  Miami 1-7 against teams with a winning record in the past 450 days. If we can’t beat them with the division on the line, we don’t deserve the playoffs.  History? This has happened several times before and the the teams that lost the last week of the year have a winning record in the wild card round in those matchups. Edited December 25, 2023 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Â History? Â Â What history? The history I just debunked in the post above yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Einstein said: Â Â What history? The history I just debunked in the post above yours? Â In a game with small margins with closely matched teams it is absurd to think a play here or there that goes you way one week but against you the next week couldn't tilt the outcome one way or the other. Â Or a refs call/non-calls in a crucial situation sometimes due to interpretation differences between crews. Edited December 25, 2023 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: The Bengals-Chiefs game next week is MASSIVE. If the Bengals can pull the upset, which I can totally see, we're going to be back in nail-biting territory. This one is a win-win for Buffalo. With a KC loss to the Bengals our week 18 game @ Miami is for the 2 seed.  Obviously you want to make the playoffs first and foremast, seeding is secondary. But it’s not like a KC loss ruins anything for us. It just changes the stakes for the final game. 13 minutes ago, Big Turk said:  History? This has happened several times before and the the teams that lost the last week of the year have a winning record in the wild card round in those matchups. I get what you’re saying. This has also occurred to me. But let’s not call 3-2 any sort of major statistical advantage.  If the Bills win week 18 then win the wild card that record is 3-3 over the last 20 years. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: The Bengals-Chiefs game next week is MASSIVE. If the Bengals can pull the upset, which I can totally see, we're going to be back in nail-biting territory. The Bengal's are not beating the Chiefs. The tape on Browning is out and the KC defense will feast. At the same time Cincy has problems on D. The Chiefs will move the ball and put up points.     1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: The beating a team 3 times is hard narrative isn't true  Something like 70% of the time the team that won the first two wins the third I agree with that narrative being dumb.  If you’ve already won the first two, it should be more likely to that you also win the third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 48 minutes ago, Einstein said:  lol. You missed the context. Those 3 teams that won the rematches were resting their starters in the final regular season game (often division winners), or had their QB injured in the playoffs  So let’s look at those 3 teams who lost in Week 17 and then won the Wild Card round..  The 2004 Colts had the division wrapped up  and rested their starters (for example, Jim Sorgi played instead of Peyton Manning in Week 17). Therefore, the Colts backups lost to the Broncos in the final week of the season before beating the Broncos with their starters the following week. Context: They weren’t trying to win Week 17.  The 2009 Cardinals rested their starters in Week 17 against the Packers. The Cardinals backups lost to the Packers in the final week and then beat them in the Wild Card the following week with their starters. Context: They weren’t trying to win Week 17.  The 2012 Vikings beat the Packers with their starters in the final week of the season, and then lost to the Packers the following week in the wild card. Sounds great, until you realize that the Vikings starting QB was hurt late in that final week game, so backup Joe Webb had to start, which is why the Vikings lost the rematch. Webb scored only 10 points, whereas the starter (the previous week) scored 37. Context: They we’re without their starting QB.  So, that 3-2 record of teams losing in the final week and winning in the wild card, when you look at the context, goes up in complete smoke.  Sorry. Not reading that essay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, gobills404 said: Not reading that essay I don’t blame you.  You’ll feel stupid for linking that stat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: The Bengals-Chiefs game next week is MASSIVE. If the Bengals can pull the upset, which I can totally see, we're going to be back in nail-biting territory. What makes it worse, is the Bengals play the Browns in week 18. The Browns can clinch a playoff spot with a win on Thursday night against the Jets and even if they somehow lose, their odds of clinching this week is still pretty high which means they may rest starters the last week against the Bengals. That would be a nightmare scenario 1 hour ago, Seventeen said:  I can't see it with Jake Browning. I said this the second Burrow went down and they realed off 3 straight wins before this week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Streaker Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 11 minutes ago, gobills404 said: Not reading that essay There is the problem 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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